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mbarreto		#101 Posted : 23 February 2013 12:34:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		Originally Posted by: JohnnyB I can't see the difference in the connecting rods, would somebody be able to explain it a bit better? Normally I have an eye for things like that but perhaps I'm looking at the wrong spot. Either way I really like this two and have ordered them from Lokshop. My wallet hates me. Hello, The 2 crocs of the 37565 set have the same rods arrangement as they are both CE6/II. The difference is in the rods/driving arrangement between the CE6/8II and the CE6/8III. Note also that the CE (loco numbers started by 14) was later changed to BE (loco numbers started by 13) do to an upgrade that some of the crocs had that gave them more than 50% more power and increased their authorized speed limit from 65Km/h to 75Km/h. This means that CE6/8II and BE6/8II have the same rods/driving arrangement and CE6/8III and BE6/8III also have the same rods/drive arrangement. There is a simple but effective explanation about crocs in the Märklin magazine 1/2013 in case you can have a read. See the rods/drive arrangement for a CE6/8III in the youtube video : See the rods/drive arrangement for a CE6/8III in the youtube video : There are many videos with crocs in youtube that maybe show better the rod arrangements, so I suggest you watch some. The previous Märklin HO models of the crocodile, like 39563, are series CE6/8III and as such have a different rod/drive arrangement of the ones of the new 37565 set.
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H0		#102 Posted : 23 February 2013 17:54:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Originally Posted by: JohnnyB I can't see the difference in the connecting rods, would somebody be able to explain it a bit better? When you look at John's post (post #98 by river6109, first picture), you'll see at the front a Roco Ce 6/8 II (same prototype as Märklin's new crocodile) and at the rear you see Märklin's "old" crocodile (prototype Ce 6/8 III). The former has two jack-shafts, the latter has only one and the driving rods are consequently mounted in different ways.
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H0		#103 Posted : 23 February 2013 19:52:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		A review (German only) of the new brown crocodile is on youtube:
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steventrain		#104 Posted : 23 February 2013 20:51:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: H0 A review (German only) of the new brown crocodile is on youtube: Excellent, Thanks for the link.
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H0		#105 Posted : 23 February 2013 21:02:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		From the video: tractive effort of the new crocodile (six powered axles, four traction tyres): 86 grammes Tractive effort of the old crocodile (three powered axles, four traction tyres): 182 grammes
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franciscohg		#106 Posted : 24 February 2013 01:26:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,299 Location: Patagonia		No doubt that they are nice models, i must admit i was tempted with the new black one, mainly for the two motor feature, i thought that it maybe a pulling monster, since it appears that it is not true, i think thay will be now at the bottom of my wishlist........
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river6109		#107 Posted : 24 February 2013 02:33:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		one thing I've noticed after this locos has been running for a while the position of the wheels have changed from front and rear, meaning they are not totally synchronized, if this happens on one loco what would happen with 2 locos coupled. Again I ask myself the question, why put 2 motors into it and than reduce the pulling power, doesn't make sense to me and why reduce the amount of rubbertyres ? the only plus I can see is the soundmodule which Roco hasn't got and the Swiss lightchange which can be installed by a technician like myself. regards., John
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river6109		#108 Posted : 24 February 2013 02:41:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: Guus Originally Posted by: MarioFabro 37565 is 749.oo Euros at Lokshop. Just ordered mine -VAT for 629.41 I think is a good price! Not bad! Hopefully more dealers will follow, now that Lokshop has set an example. you can almost buy 3 Roco Crocs for this amount but no sound module but even hypothetically with 2 sound modules the price would be around Euro 540.00, standard price Euro 204.00 John
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JohnnyB		#109 Posted : 24 February 2013 03:21:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/01/2013(UTC) Posts: 33		Thanks for the help, I think somewhere I picked up the impression these were the two different types of Crocs, with the different drive rods. With the picture that John posted of the Roco and Marklin Crocs the difference is obvious.
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H0		#110 Posted : 24 February 2013 08:24:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Originally Posted by: river6109 one thing I've noticed after this locos has been running for a while the position of the wheels have changed from front and rear, meaning they are not totally synchronized A chap on Stummi's Forum appreciates this as it is prototypically correct. Wheel slip and changing positions of rods are prototypically correct, of course, but may have a negative effect on the tractive effort. I prefer the Roco way (single motor powering six axles) like Märklin did with the Big Boy.
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H0		#111 Posted : 24 February 2013 08:28:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: franciscohg i thought that it maybe a pulling monster, since it appears that it is not true, i think thay will be now at the bottom of my wishlist........ On the video they say tractive effort was sufficient. In a few months we'll see reviews in the MRR magazines - and reviews here and on Stummi's Forum.
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H0		#112 Posted : 24 February 2013 08:58:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		And the green crocodile on video (German only, same text as for the brown one):
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steventrain		#113 Posted : 24 February 2013 09:35:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: H0 From the video: tractive effort of the new crocodile (six powered axles, four traction tyres): 86 grammes Tractive effort of the old crocodile (three powered axles, four traction tyres): 182 grammes How many wagons can pulling with no slipping? What about climbing to hill? Not on my wish list. Some dealers said 37566 will be limited to 2,500 set. Don't think price will reduced at end of this year.
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H0		#114 Posted : 24 February 2013 10:04:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: steventrain Some dealers said 37565 will be limited to 2,500 set. Which dealers? So far I read this at Jim Knopf only - and it may be a copy'n'paste error (37566 is officially limited to 2500 pieces).
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steventrain		#115 Posted : 24 February 2013 10:29:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: steventrain Some dealers said 37565 will be limited to 2,500 set. Which dealers? 37566 is officially limited to 2500 pieces. Oops, Point out error and correct 37566.
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Goofy		#116 Posted : 24 February 2013 12:20:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,292		In fact i see new crocodile with 2 motors as wast of the time to get it. What Marklin should have done is to change details of body and put new motor placement in middle of the locomotiv instead. Underframe has been changed but why not at the body too???
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Unholz		#117 Posted : 24 February 2013 15:19:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Originally Posted by: Goofy Underframe has been changed but why not at the body too??? Do you perhaps require a new set of eye glasses? Of course Marklin has also changed the bodies - they are distinctly different on the prototypes B/Ce 6/8 II vs. B/Ce 6/8 III.
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Janne75		#118 Posted : 24 February 2013 16:59:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,555 Location: Finland		Hello all, I am a big fan of the swiss Crocodiles. These news of the new 2 motor Crocodiles having less pulling power (traction) than the previous models is very dissapointing news to me. I have not ordered these yet, but as they look different and are very detailed I might buy these both (green and brown version) later. Märklin knew back in 1947 how things should be. One big motor in the middle and all six axles (twelve wheels) driven. But back then they were without any traction tires. The same arrangement with middle motor and six drive axles would have been a better success even today if say equipped with 8 traction tires (4 at both ends). I have done pulling tests with some of my crocodiles 3756 and 39565 and both pulled a little under 100 waggons. My diesel DB 221 104-3 and electric loco E40 072 both pulled even more (over 100 waggons). In these pulling tests it is very important to have a loco with smooth acceleration charasteristics so that the traction is not loosed when the train starts moving slowly. Also it is very important to have the locos running in "right" direction that differs from loco to loco. This can have very big difference in how many waggons they can pull. Märklin Insider digital Crocodile 36159 was not as good in this pulling test for these reasons: It dont start moving smoothly and therefore loses traction easily. It dont have as many traction tires that would be needed. Good things that it has is very big and powerful motor + big weight (around 950 grams) and six drive axles. I will have soon 13 Crocodiles and if I buy the new ones later then 15! Greetings from a Crocodile fan, Janne
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NZMarklinist		#119 Posted : 24 February 2013 17:20:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: Janne75 Hello all, I am a big fan of the swiss Crocodiles. These news of the new 2 motor Crocodiles having less pulling power (traction) than the previous models is very dissapointing news to me. I have not ordered these yet, but as they look different and are very detailed I might buy these both (green and brown version) later. Märklin knew back in 1947 how things should be. One big motor in the middle and all six axles (twelve wheels) driven. But back then they were without any traction tires. The same arrangement with middle motor and six drive axles would have been a better success even today if say equipped with 8 traction tires (4 at both ends). Greetings from a Crocodile fan, Janne Hello Janne, What news of less pulling power, It is all speculation and suposition at this stage. One big motor in the middle as it used to be would only mean extra weight and lots of noise, because of that clockwork gear train, most people don't want that anymore in these digital times The prototypes have two motors in each end Another forum member and I have, or I should say, he has, ordered the set to be split between us, Green for him and Brown for me What we both desired and a perfect solution
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Janne75		#120 Posted : 24 February 2013 17:46:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,555 Location: Finland		Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Originally Posted by: Janne75 Hello all, I am a big fan of the swiss Crocodiles. These news of the new 2 motor Crocodiles having less pulling power (traction) than the previous models is very dissapointing news to me. I have not ordered these yet, but as they look different and are very detailed I might buy these both (green and brown version) later. Märklin knew back in 1947 how things should be. One big motor in the middle and all six axles (twelve wheels) driven. But back then they were without any traction tires. The same arrangement with middle motor and six drive axles would have been a better success even today if say equipped with 8 traction tires (4 at both ends). Greetings from a Crocodile fan, Janne Hello Janne, What news of less pulling power, It is all speculation and suposition at this stage. One big motor in the middle as it used to be would only mean extra weight and lots of noise, because of that clockwork gear train, most people don't want that anymore in these digital times The prototypes have two motors in each end Another forum member and I have, or I should say, he has, ordered the set to be split between us, Green for him and Brown for me What we both desired and a perfect solution Hello, Yes those older Crocodiles are far from Soft Drive Sinus silency ... Also pulling power vs. size of motor and momentum of it is much better in newer models. But I also like the mechanic technology of these older bigger twelve drive wheel (six drive axles) Crocodiles. Sound of that worm gear transmission and nostalgic feeling is just so . We should wait and see really for some MRR Magazine reviews first, before judging these. I really like of the idea to have one motor in each end + the nice looks. I would also choose the brown one from these two and green after that. Janne Edited by user 25 February 2013 21:32:09(UTC)  | Reason: Corrected text
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mbarreto		#121 Posted : 24 February 2013 18:16:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		Hello, I think we still need to wait a bit more for other reviews. My comments so far, are: 1- If the pulling power with 2 motors is worst than with 1 motor, it will probably be easy to remove one of them; 2- With 2 motors it is closer to the real thing which have 4 motors (2 in each end); 3- With the motors in the ends, as opposite to the Roco, it has more space in the middle body for added features like for example a device to rise and lower the pantographs. If M used the center motor connected to the 2 ends to give the 2 axles traction it would remove space inside - this allows for during this century M introduce a rise/lower pantograph mechanism ; 4- The comparisons so far are relative to a C/Be6/8III whith which motor? The motors used in a 3756 for example are very powerful, I think a lot more then the Soft Drive C Sinus (but I maybe wrong here...); 5- It is also important to understand how is the output(s) of the decoder connected to the motors. Maybe some changes here will produce a different effect; 6- After seeing the videos mentioned by Tom (and don't understand what are the comments), I like a lot the detail of the models. I don't know how the details are when compared to the Roco, but seems a great step forward compared to the M* C/Be6/8. I like a lot the interior details and the roof details; 7- One negative point is the size of the external box. Big boxes are more difficult to store... I prefer brawa boxes as they are thinner than M* and still protect the models. With high or low pulling power I can't wait for my set... (off course I prefer that the locos have good pulling power...)
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shannon		#122 Posted : 25 February 2013 03:39:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 353 Location: Taipei,		I don't mind the performance of pulling power either one or two motors. I like the new crocodile with the new rods, more handrails and roof details but the only unsatification is the uncorrect pantograph look still coming with the old mold like Ce 6/8 III. Marklin uses to adopt the same pantograph mold on the different prototypes to save the cost of manufacturing or to ignore the comparison and search in detail ? See the difference prototype http://www.stevenvolp.nl.../6/marklins37565echt.jpg http://www.marklinfan.co...ambonet/12253nel1919.jpg model http://www.pukos.net/Sec...68_III_Marklin_39560.jpg
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mike c		#123 Posted : 25 February 2013 04:51:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		Johnny, if you look at John's post (#98) (or below), you can see the difference between the rod design on the two brown crocodiles. The one in front is the Roco model (same as the new Maerklin version), the one in the rear is the classic Maerklin model. Regards Mike C
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mike c		#124 Posted : 25 February 2013 04:56:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		Do all Freight trains in Switzerland head to Bern? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a generic announcement (i.e. Guterzugdurchfahrt am Gleis 3) without naming a city, so that it could be applicable for any route? One other question, do (or did) they normally announce the destination of a freight train or train that was not stopping as it went by? Regards Mike C
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Unholz		#125 Posted : 25 February 2013 06:01:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Originally Posted by: mike c Do all Freight trains in Switzerland head to Bern? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a generic announcement (i.e. Guterzugdurchfahrt am Gleis 3) without naming a city, so that it could be applicable for any route? One other question, do (or did) they normally announce the destination of a freight train or train that was not stopping as it went by? This particular station announcement is total b***t. I would risk any bet that there has *never* been a single station announcement in Switzerland wherein the destination of a freight train was mentioned. Furthermore, using the word "Bahnsteig" is an absolute no-go in this country (for historical-linguistic reasons). And finally, no Swiss railway employee would speak such a foolish and unreal mixture of Swiss dialect with "high" German when making an announcement.
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Goofy		#126 Posted : 25 February 2013 07:40:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,292		Originally Posted by: mike c Johnny, if you look at John's post (#98) (or below), you can see the difference between the rod design on the two brown crocodiles. The one in front is the Roco model (same as the new Maerklin version), the one in the rear is the classic Maerklin model. Regards Mike C There is better details at Rocos crocodile and colour on the body seems correct.
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foumaro		#127 Posted : 25 February 2013 08:10:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,431 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Originally Posted by: Janne75 Hello all, I am a big fan of the swiss Crocodiles. These news of the new 2 motor Crocodiles having less pulling power (traction) than the previous models is very dissapointing news to me. I have not ordered these yet, but as they look different and are very detailed I might buy these both (green and brown version) later. Märklin knew back in 1947 how things should be. One big motor in the middle and all six axles (twelve wheels) driven. But back then they were without any traction tires. The same arrangement with middle motor and six drive axles would have been a better success even today if say equipped with 8 traction tires (4 at both ends). I have done pulling tests with some of my crocodiles 3756 and 39565 and both pulled a little under 100 waggons. My diesel DB 221 104-3 and electric loco E40 072 both pulled even more (over 100 waggons). In these pulling tests it is very important to have a loco with smooth acceleration charasteristics so that the traction is not loosed when the train starts moving slowly. Also it is very important to have the locos running in "right" direction that differs from loco to loco. This can have very big difference in how many waggons they can pull. Märklin Insider digital Crocodile 36159 was not as good in this pulling test for these reasons: It dont start moving smoothly and therefore loses traction easily. It dont have as many traction tires that would be needed. Good things that it has is very big and powerful motor + big weight (around 950 grams) and six drive axles. I will have soon 13 Crocodiles and if I buy the new ones later then 15! Greetings from a Crocodile fan, Janne Can you tell us which croco weights 950,00 grams?
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Goofy		#128 Posted : 25 February 2013 08:13:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,292		I think he means the one model in scale 00. This croco was produced too big!
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river6109		#129 Posted : 25 February 2013 08:33:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: mbarreto Hello, I think we still need to wait a bit more for other reviews. My comments so far, are: 1- If the pulling power with 2 motors is worst than with 1 motor, it will probably be easy to remove one of them; 2- With 2 motors it is closer to the real thing which have 4 motors (2 in each end); 3- With the motors in the ends, as opposite to the Roco, it has more space in the middle body for added features like for example a device to rise and lower the pantographs. If M used the center motor connected to the 2 ends to give the 2 axles traction it would remove space inside - this allows for during this century M introduce a rise/lower pantograph mechanism ; 4- The comparisons so far are relative to a C/Be6/8III whith which motor? The motors used in a 3756 for example are very powerful, I think a lot more then the Soft Drive C Sinus (but I maybe wrong here...); 5- It is also important to understand how is the output(s) of the decoder connected to the motors. Maybe some changes here will produce a different effect; 6- After seeing the videos mentioned by Tom (and don't understand what are the comments), I like a lot the detail of the models. I don't know how the details are when compared to the Roco, but seems a great step forward compared to the M* C/Be6/8. I like a lot the interior details and the roof details; 7- One negative point is the size of the external box. Big boxes are more difficult to store... I prefer brawa boxes as they are thinner than M* and still protect the models. With high or low pulling power I can't wait for my set... (off course I prefer that the locos have good pulling power...) the difference with Roco and Märklin models is, you always have been able to exchange axles without rubbertyres with Rubbertyres, whereas Märklin earlier models and most probably current models you have to take the wheel of the axle and than exchange it with rubbertyres and unless you've got the right tooling you could finish up with a wobbly wheel. If the new models have removable axles and the problem is associated with pulling power you always can add more axles with rubbertyres. Until you have more details about the weigth and the amount of rubbertyres and the capacity of the 2 motors it is pointless to speculate what is or isn't working for or against the loco. John
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Janne75		#130 Posted : 25 February 2013 22:15:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,555 Location: Finland		Crocodiles with around 950 gram weight are for example CCS 800, 3015, 30159, 36159, 31859 green and white + 31860 green and white versions. These models are not made to any real scale and are for example too wide, but these models has really "that something" and are really nice to collect anyway. In that 3756 Crocodile there is a 5-pole high efficiency motor and 6090 or 60901? decoder as far as I know. I think that even it would be nice to have 1:87 Crocodiles that looks just like the prototype it is most important to own or buy Crocodiles that a owner likes most. To me it is not absolutely neccessary to have every part and detail like they are in the 1:1 prototype. I really like the style how Märklin have manufactured all their Crocodiles (also these new ones). Therefore I have thought many times that it has been a good thing to start collecting Märklin and not other manufacturers locos. They look just so different than Märklin and I like more the style of Märklin models and this is also true for other loco models than Crocodiles. Some manufacturers have much better detailing, but "that something" is still missing. I dont know what it really is, but maybe it has to do with watching too much Märklin catalogs, magazines and pictures from Internet . Cheers, Janne
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RayF		#131 Posted : 25 February 2013 23:21:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I nearly bought an AC Roco crocodile years ago from Beatties of london. It was a brown one and looked beautiful, but they wanted around £100 for it and at that time it was a lot of money. It was many years later before I bought my 37563, but I still fancy a brown one. Maybe I will get the new brown croc from Marklin, or maybe the Roco one. I have yet to decide.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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mike c		#132 Posted : 26 February 2013 07:14:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		Originally Posted by: Unholz Originally Posted by: mike c Do all Freight trains in Switzerland head to Bern? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a generic announcement (i.e. Guterzugdurchfahrt am Gleis 3) without naming a city, so that it could be applicable for any route? One other question, do (or did) they normally announce the destination of a freight train or train that was not stopping as it went by? This particular station announcement is total b***t. I would risk any bet that there has *never* been a single station announcement in Switzerland wherein the destination of a freight train was mentioned. Furthermore, using the word "Bahnsteig" is an absolute no-go in this country (for historical-linguistic reasons). And finally, no Swiss railway employee would speak such a foolish and unreal mixture of Swiss dialect with "high" German when making an announcement. Stefan, have you done a DNA test to ensure that there was no horse***t in the bull***t? If there was, we may be able to get Maerklin to recall the affected models. Regards Mike C
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mbarreto		#133 Posted : 27 February 2013 00:27:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		Originally Posted by: mike c ..... have you done a DNA test to ensure that there was no horse***t in the bull***t? If there was, we may be able to get Maerklin to recall the affected models. ...
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NZMarklinist		#134 Posted : 28 February 2013 01:09:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		The other Bulls***t sound with this Lok is the driving rod noise which starts before it moves and continues after it stops see; Too late I have it on order but easy enough to fix with an ESU V4M4 (If one was really that fussy that is ) And what about the double wiper pantograph
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NZMarklinist		#135 Posted : 28 February 2013 01:11:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: RayF I nearly bought an AC Roco crocodile years ago from Beatties of london. It was a brown one and looked beautiful, but they wanted around £100 for it and at that time it was a lot of money. It was many years later before I bought my 37563, but I still fancy a brown one. Maybe I will get the new brown croc from Marklin, or maybe the Roco one. I have yet to decide. Go for the Marklin one Ray
		Glen Auckland NZ " Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok ! CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
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H0		#136 Posted : 28 February 2013 08:05:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist The other Bulls***t sound with this Lok is the driving rod noise which starts before it moves and continues after it stops see; You don't hear the driving rods, you hear the notches of the speed control (correctly they can be heard before the loco starts going, but IMHO you shouldn't hear them after the loco stopped). So the sound is not as strong a fertilizer as you write. Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist And what about the double wiper pantograph How about the yellow marks on the long noses (they say they shouldn't be there for the brown crocodile)? How about white lines in the windows? The lids on the long noses should look different. The brown crocodile misses some sanding devices (say the experts on the HAG forum (what do I know about Swiss locos ...)). Isolators and wires on the roof could have incorrect colours for the brown crocodile. These are the compromises Märklin has to make to get the loco through 360 mm curves and all true Märklinist will still be happy to buy it. Ray, It seems there is much more demand for the green crocodile. Those looking for a brown crocodile could get a good deal when they wait and see.
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RayF		#137 Posted : 28 February 2013 08:34:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Thanks Tom, I'll do that!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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tulit		#138 Posted : 28 February 2013 19:19:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 400		Does anyone know what's happened with these? A lot of retailers have pulled the listings for them completely off their site (i.e. Lokshop, lippe, etc).
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H0		#139 Posted : 28 February 2013 21:52:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: tulit A lot of retailers have pulled the listings for them completely off their site (i.e. Lokshop, lippe, etc). One dealer indicates the set as "sold out at the factory". M* database shows yellow light (not all shipped yet). Maybe M* had an order deadline for those locos and dealers who sold all they ordered cannot take more orders now. Production of those locos goes on and more of them will show up on eBay. Lippe is a different story: they take no more pre-orders for 2013 new Märklin items any more.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Janne75		#140 Posted : 01 March 2013 17:02:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,555 Location: Finland		I really want that brown 37565 Crocodile now when I saw the nice video! Janne
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Goofy		#141 Posted : 01 March 2013 17:41:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,292		You should try Austria crocodile too! It´s same just color difference.
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mbarreto		#142 Posted : 01 March 2013 19:09:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		Originally Posted by: Goofy You should try Austria crocodile too! It´s same just color difference. It also has handrails arranged in a different way (I think typical Ep. III): - Although this is just a model, it is reproduced one of the doors in each side as welded and so the croc has handrails only in one of the doors per side; - In the end of the croc the handrails are also different. It is obvious M will produce one model like 37566 in swiss colors, we just don't know when. Anyway the 37566 is very nice, indeed.
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danmarklinman		#143 Posted : 01 March 2013 21:14:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,404		Originally Posted by: Janne75 Crocodiles with around 950 gram weight are for example CCS 800, 3015, 30159, 36159, 31859 green and white + 31860 green and white versions. These models are not made to any real scale and are for example too wide, but these models has really "that something" and are really nice to collect anyway. In that 3756 Crocodile there is a 5-pole high efficiency motor and 6090 or 60901? decoder as far as I know. I think that even it would be nice to have 1:87 Crocodiles that looks just like the prototype it is most important to own or buy Crocodiles that a owner likes most. To me it is not absolutely neccessary to have every part and detail like they are in the 1:1 prototype. I really like the style how Märklin have manufactured all their Crocodiles (also these new ones). Therefore I have thought many times that it has been a good thing to start collecting Märklin and not other manufacturers locos. They look just so different than Märklin and I like more the style of Märklin models and this is also true for other loco models than Crocodiles. Some manufacturers have much better detailing, but "that something" is still missing. I dont know what it really is, but maybe it has to do with watching too much Märklin catalogs, magazines and pictures from Internet . Cheers, Janne Your spot on there, Marklin models do have somthing that athers dont. There are as you say better detail models. But thats not the point, Markin just seems to have more je ne c,est quoi
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NS1200		#144 Posted : 02 March 2013 09:28:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		A review on the new Croc in German,nice machine! www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j466uolCKM www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLwek_Khdg8
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steventrain		#145 Posted : 02 March 2013 09:32:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Already Post by Ho (Tom). https://www.marklin-user...e-6-8-II.aspx#post389624
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Bigdaddynz		#146 Posted : 02 March 2013 10:12:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: steventrain Already Post by Ho (Tom). Topics merged.
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river6109		#147 Posted : 02 March 2013 11:12:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: Goofy You should try Austria crocodile too! It´s same just color difference. slightly off topic lots of modellers or collectors call the ÖBB Rh 1020 an Austrian crocodile and in fact it is not. Austria produce it own version of the crocodile, ÖBB Rh 1189 or the earlier one BBÖ 1100. this model from Roco, so far hasn't come out in AC but I couldn't help purchasing it because it is unique. the drive mechanism is from a centrally located motor with a rubber band transferring the power onto another wheel (figure 8 shape) the original decoder wasn't very effective so I've changed the decoder and its running now like a dream. I received mine in a wooden box (limited museum loco) John
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mbarreto		#148 Posted : 02 March 2013 13:07:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		I just got the 37565 set, and after first look and run I am extremely happy with these crocs! They have very good slow speed running and the details are also super (at least for my taste). In my opinion, it's a must have (doesn't mean the 37565... maybe the 37566, 37567 or others that will follow...).
		Best regards, Miguel Mostly Märklin H0.
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NZMarklinist		#149 Posted : 02 March 2013 13:44:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: mbarreto [It is obvious M will produce one model like 37566 in swiss colors, we just don't know when. Anyway the 37566 is very nice, indeed. [/color] Well I hope so, and it better be a green SBB one
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NZMarklinist		#150 Posted : 02 March 2013 13:47:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: tulit Does anyone know what's happened with these? A lot of retailers have pulled the listings for them completely off their site (i.e. Lokshop, lippe, etc). I would suspect they have sold their allocation already to preorders
		Glen Auckland NZ " Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok ! CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
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