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H0		#51 Posted : 21 November 2012 00:54:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy Coreless motor is maintenance free motor. Yes. With some models we saw the move from maintenance free SDS to maintenance free coreless motor. With some models we saw the move from maintenance free coreless motor to maintenance free can motor. With some models we saw the move from maintenance free SDS to maintenance free coreless motor to maintenance free can motor. Coreless motors are expensive. Don't expect a coreless motor unless the description reads coreless motor. Description doesn't even say maintenance free motor.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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hxmiesa		#52 Posted : 21 November 2012 12:48:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,600 Location: Spain		Originally Posted by: Armando Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Very interesting model. "Unfortunatly" I already have the Roco version, so I´ll spend the thousand bucks on other things... ;-) However, the comparison between the Roco model (with no sounds, no Swiss headlight change-over, plastic body, etc.) to these new all-metal, with sounds Märklin model would be like comparing CocaCola to Champagne (Like the nasty Maria Callas once said...). So, you'd better start saving.... No way! ;-) The Roco one is 2/3 metal body, and I run analogue, so no sound anyway... The Roco model is an excellent model. Much better than any Märklin I have, so´there! lol
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jeehring		#53 Posted : 21 November 2012 13:53:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: Goofy Why is there no information about 2 rail crocodile from Trix...? ....to punish 2 railers.
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steventrain		#54 Posted : 25 November 2012 11:45:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		See here. http://www.pic-upload.de...026072/100_1293.jpg.html http://www.pic-upload.de...026029/100_1291.jpg.html
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shannon		#55 Posted : 25 November 2012 13:17:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 353 Location: Taipei,		Originally Posted by: steventrain See here. http://www.pic-upload.de...026072/100_1293.jpg.html http://www.pic-upload.de...026029/100_1291.jpg.html Thanks for sharing I noticed the green crocodile has the extra lamp on the headlights but brown one hasn't it. Hopefully, the lamp is not as dummy as the old model. This loc looks so great other than the handrails on the door seems too thick.
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Armando		#56 Posted : 25 November 2012 17:40:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Is it exactly the same cabin for both locomotives?
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H0		#57 Posted : 25 November 2012 18:21:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Armando Is it exactly the same cabin for both locomotives? Both locos are the same class. So differences with the cabin are the results of modernization (e.g. only one door per side). The picture the dealers were showing had the green crocodile with modern handrails at the ends and with Integra magnets. The sample from the fair looks like a brown croc painted green. Maybe they still have to make the modifications for the green one. The usual game: you can order now, but you don't know what you'll get.
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vilithejou		#58 Posted : 26 November 2012 08:59:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: jeehring Originally Posted by: Goofy Why is there no information about 2 rail crocodile from Trix...? ....to punish 2 railers. Confirmed Kroko for TRIX modellbahners :-) TRIX NL
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H0		#59 Posted : 26 November 2012 09:05:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: vilithejou Confirmed Kroko for TRIX modellbahners :-) Thanks! On the picture, we see the green crocodile with Integra magnets. But the text calls both crocs "Ce 6/8 II".
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Goofy		#60 Posted : 26 November 2012 09:25:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,292		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy Coreless motor is maintenance free motor. Yes. With some models we saw the move from maintenance free SDS to maintenance free coreless motor. With some models we saw the move from maintenance free coreless motor to maintenance free can motor. With some models we saw the move from maintenance free SDS to maintenance free coreless motor to maintenance free can motor. Coreless motors are expensive. Don't expect a coreless motor unless the description reads coreless motor. Description doesn't even say maintenance free motor. What i mean is Faulhaber motor that is coreless motor. SDS motor with PCB is the most expensive to producing.(Not worth to get it!)
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Unholz		#61 Posted : 26 November 2012 09:31:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Originally Posted by: H0 The usual game: you can order now, but you don't know what you'll get. Well said! Thus as usual, if you pre-order, the WYSIWYG formula won't necessarily apply. Just to prevent any misunderstandings: A green Ce 6/8 II with the road number 14272 is certainly prototypical, but in this case the sample shown at the Cologne exhibition would most probably have to be modified in certain respects to correctly reflect the 1950's era (number of cab entrances, type and color of handrails, access coverings on the front body parts).
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vilithejou		#62 Posted : 26 November 2012 19:59:28(UTC) Retweet
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NS1200		#63 Posted : 26 November 2012 21:45:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		I saw the two new crocs at the IMA fair in Cologne over the weekend. Pictures to follow tomorrow.
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klarinettmeister		#64 Posted : 26 November 2012 22:06:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 811 Location: Kirseberg		Thanks for these news! I don´t have any of these types of locs so this would be perfect. The pricetag is high though.
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steventrain		#65 Posted : 26 November 2012 22:40:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		37565 is a limited edition, Lokshop price 899.99 euro.
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mjrallare		#66 Posted : 27 November 2012 17:39:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Originally Posted by: steventrain 37565 is a limited edition, Lokshop price 899.99 euro. Yes Lokshop says limited edition, but Märklin says "einmalige serie". There's a big difference. /Torbjörn
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NS1200		#67 Posted : 27 November 2012 20:23:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		My pictures of the two new H0 crocs taken at the IMA fair in Cologne over last weekend. Pictures taken through a glass sheet of a show cabinet,with some reflection. Changed push rod assembly is obvious. Other details are the little bolts on top of the engine covers and the gratings at the roof corners. NS1200 attached the following image(s):
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steventrain		#68 Posted : 27 November 2012 22:35:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		From Marklin database. Highlights: •Completely new tooling for the "Crocodile" from the first production series. •The heraldic animal for Märklin. •Highly detailed metal construction. •mfx decoder with extensive sound functions. •Each locomotive powered with 2 high-efficiency propulsion systems, each with a flywheel. •Swiss headlight / marker light change-over, can be switched to a red marker light for running "light". •Lighting with warm white and red LEDs. More detail of 37565 on >37565 Marklin Database English<
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Armando		#69 Posted : 27 November 2012 22:51:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Originally Posted by: vilithejou Now in Marklin database the new krokos Marklin Database Why would they say "pack" in the Spanish version? I'd like to have a word or two with that translator.
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jeehring		#70 Posted : 28 November 2012 00:09:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: Unholz Originally Posted by: H0 The usual game: you can order now, but you don't know what you'll get. Well said! Thus as usual, if you pre-order, the WYSIWYG formula won't necessarily apply. Just to prevent any misunderstandings: A green Ce 6/8 II with the road number 14272 is certainly prototypical, but in this case the sample shown at the Cologne exhibition would most probably have to be modified in certain respects to correctly reflect the 1950's era (number of cab entrances, type and color of handrails, access coverings on the front body parts). ...with these stories of doors or double doors I must admit that I'm lost .... I'm pretty sure I saw photo of green prototypes with two double Rails on the side of the cab, already... They were green Crocodiles but I have no idea of the date of the shooting...
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mike c		#71 Posted : 28 November 2012 03:08:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		Originally Posted by: Goofy Why is there no information about 2 rail crocodile from Trix...? Since Roco already made a model, they are probably not as rushed to release this model in DC. It was the same thing for the Re 6/6 last year. Regards Mike C
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Guus		#72 Posted : 28 November 2012 14:38:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Originally Posted by: NS1200 My pictures of the two new H0 crocs taken at the IMA fair in Cologne over last weekend. Pictures taken through a glass sheet of a show cabinet,with some reflection. Changed push rod assembly is obvious. Other details are the little bolts on top of the engine covers and the gratings at the roof corners. It is good to see that the gearbox, which differs slightly from the later III version, seems prototypically correct. Also the brown version does not have the Integra magnet installed while the green version does, which reflects the different Eras the locs are from. It would be ideal if also the distance between the main axles of the two drive assemblies is a little smaller than that of the III version ( 600mm in real). Edited by user 07 December 2012 14:14:58(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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MarioFabro		#73 Posted : 07 December 2012 01:18:57(UTC) Retweet
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Guus		#74 Posted : 07 December 2012 14:14:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Originally Posted by: MarioFabro 37565 is 749.oo Euros at Lokshop. Just ordered mine -VAT for 629.41 I think is a good price! Not bad! Hopefully more dealers will follow, now that Lokshop has set an example.
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steventrain		#75 Posted : 08 December 2012 09:41:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: MarioFabro 37565 is 749.oo Euros at Lokshop. Just ordered mine -VAT for 629.41 I think is a good price! Yes, I note price change to 749 from 899. Very good price.
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vilithejou		#76 Posted : 21 December 2012 16:56:12(UTC) Retweet
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5HorizonsRR		#77 Posted : 21 December 2012 21:15:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,996 Location: CA, USA		I may be getting ahead of myself here, but I'm really looking forward to finding out what (if any) wagons or coaches they will offer alongside these crocodiles. Its a logical marketing move for Marklin to sell some rolling stock, and they really haven't offered any earlier SBB wagons in a while, other than in start sets. Same goes for coaches, although there is only the older 1980's toolings for those. Maybe we will get lucky with some new passenger car molds?
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steventrain		#78 Posted : 21 December 2012 21:17:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Maybe we will get lucky with some new passenger car molds? Hopefully in the 2013 new items.
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mbarreto		#79 Posted : 21 December 2012 21:48:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		Hi, I agree that is a bit impressive the lack of Era II and Era III swiss wagons to go with the crocs. We can buy some from Brawa and from Roco, but not much either... About the January calendar photo, I like it a lot, like I also like (lots of like here lol) the picture for the 2013 insider BR58. Seems Märklin is having great photos again.
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db ice3		#80 Posted : 21 December 2012 21:54:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 178 Location: uk		these locos look lovely and what a nice specification to have 2 motors each with its own flywheel and a digital sound system built in as standard too. presumably these locos will have substantial hauling power? now how to find 800 euros!!!
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mbarreto		#81 Posted : 21 December 2012 21:59:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		I also like the idea of having 2 motors and yes they must have powerful traction capabilities, but I also would like them to have telex couplers, interior light and remote controlled pantographs. And yes, not cost more than the 800 euros with all this :-)
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H0		#82 Posted : 21 December 2012 22:04:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: db ice3 presumably these locos will have substantial hauling power? When the motors run at different speeds the hauling power will be poor. With one motor and six powered axles, hauling power would be similar to two perfectly synchronized motors.
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mbarreto		#83 Posted : 21 December 2012 22:26:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: db ice3 presumably these locos will have substantial hauling power? When the motors run at different speeds the hauling power will be poor. With one motor and six powered axles, hauling power would be similar to two perfectly synchronized motors. I am not an expert in motors at all, but I think the following (please correct me if I am wrong). If the motors are exactly equal and receive the same voltage, considering permanent magnet motors, theoretically they run synchronized. I don't know how possible this is in the real world. Other option could be the SoftSinus motor that Märklin sad won't use anymore in the crocs (don't know if in any other model...).
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mbarreto		#84 Posted : 11 January 2013 20:02:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		Until now the cheapest I saw for the set (700 euros): http://modellbahnshop.es...pbku8rch9a5ibcafhk1mo1m4
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shannon		#85 Posted : 19 January 2013 08:46:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 353 Location: Taipei,		Originally Posted by: NS1200 On various German websites the Crocs from set 37565 can be purchased separately: 37565-1 in green and 37565-2 in brown. Hello, can you provide me with the links. I'm simply interested in green crocodile and prefer to save money to go for the other stuffs thanks
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Andrey		#86 Posted : 19 January 2013 16:57:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 641 Location: Moscow		Ordered just one loco from 37565 set via my Finnish dealer. Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR I may be getting ahead of myself here, but I'm really looking forward to finding out what (if any) wagons or coaches they will offer alongside these crocodiles. Its a logical marketing move for Marklin to sell some rolling stock, and they really haven't offered any earlier SBB wagons in a while, other than in start sets... 48814 SBB freight car set issued in 2011 is the example of separate SBB car set which will go well at least with green Croc: http://www.maerklin.com/...ch%2Fproduct_search.html
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steventrain		#87 Posted : 19 February 2013 22:06:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Hi all, 37565 have starting delivery. Black version 37567 is all sold out on pre-order.
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river6109		#88 Posted : 19 February 2013 23:45:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Originally Posted by: Armando Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Very interesting model. "Unfortunatly" I already have the Roco version, so I´ll spend the thousand bucks on other things... ;-) However, the comparison between the Roco model (with no sounds, no Swiss headlight change-over, plastic body, etc.) to these new all-metal, with sounds Märklin model would be like comparing CocaCola to Champagne (Like the nasty Maria Callas once said...). So, you'd better start saving.... No way! ;-) The Roco one is 2/3 metal body, and I run analogue, so no sound anyway... The Roco model is an excellent model. Much better than any Märklin I have, so´there! lol Here we go, the Roco bashing. I have 2 Roco crocodiles , with Swiss headlight change and yes it has a middle plastic body and yes it has 6 axles powered and yes it outpulls the Märklin crocodile and yes it has more ,these are the etcetra points no one makes because they don't own one. Yes there is no sound and yes there is not enough room to add a sound decoder into the loco and there is the question which crocodile is true to scale. and yes I have the Märklin model too with sound and more noise from the motor than the Roco model, 3 axles powered with 2 Rubbertyres, Led's When making these comparisemnents it is always on 1 model and yes metal sounds good, it represents the original prototype but it doesn't represent its pulling power or weight because we are talking about models. and yes Märklin has had changes over the years, for the better, e.g. quiter motors and all wheel drive, John
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river6109		#89 Posted : 19 February 2013 23:48:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: mbarreto Until now the cheapest I saw for the set (700 euros): http://modellbahnshop.es...pbku8rch9a5ibcafhk1mo1m4 [/quote for that price it makes sense. John
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river6109		#90 Posted : 19 February 2013 23:56:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: mbarreto I also like the idea of having 2 motors and yes they must have powerful traction capabilities, but I also would like them to have telex couplers, interior light and remote controlled pantographs. And yes, not cost more than the 800 euros with all this :-) there is this myth, 2 motors will have a powerful traction capapbility. unless the weight is considerable, 2 motors will only be a selling point and nothing else or each motor is too weak to pull a crocodile. with new announcements and new innovations one cannot predict what these locos going to be like but one can say mathematical what a loco can and cannot do. the power output of 2 motors could be equal to one larger centrally locoated motor and yes telex coupling, interior lights and remote controlled pantographs (if there is any room left) one would expect this in the 21st century. John
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river6109		#91 Posted : 20 February 2013 00:16:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: jvuye Originally Posted by: Unholz Sorry, but it is not simply the pushrod configuration - actually the two locos are different types and can be distinguished immediately in various respects. Sure, both are crocodiles, but if you think that the announced models are just reworked varieties of the existing model(s), then you probably will also qualify oranges and lemons as identical just because both are fruits. Agreed Stefan! You are so right! Of course the Mountain-climbing-rail-reptilians are something hard to love for some .... But I have already made provisions to extend my Krok collection by at least two more units! Cheers I think the corocodiles models will be here to stay for a long time with new ones appearing on the market more often than producing different models all together. It will also be interesting to see the new size of these crocs because when one compares the Roco model Be 6/with a Märklin model Ce 6/8 III there is quite a distinguished size difference unless the II series was smaller. John
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steventrain		#92 Posted : 20 February 2013 14:39:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		37565 package.
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Andrey		#93 Posted : 20 February 2013 14:54:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 641 Location: Moscow		Originally Posted by: steventrain 37565 package. The package as it should be on the top item of the year!
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tulit		#94 Posted : 20 February 2013 16:16:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 400		Originally Posted by: steventrain 37565 package. Some have started popping up on ebay.de now.
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Herrfleck		#95 Posted : 20 February 2013 19:35:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 258		Hello! This is a lovely set of locos Thanks a lot for picture of the package Bertil
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mbarreto		#96 Posted : 20 February 2013 23:35:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		The box seems a bit big just for have 2 normal croc boxes inside. Anyway in ebay we can see the 2 normal croc boxes are there, so the question is: does the big box have something else?
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steventrain		#97 Posted : 21 February 2013 22:02:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: mbarreto The box seems a bit big just for have 2 normal croc boxes inside. Anyway in ebay we can see the 2 normal croc boxes are there, so the question is: does the big box have something else? Yes there is two boxed in one large box. 37565-01 Brown version 37565-02 Green version
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river6109		#98 Posted : 22 February 2013 15:37:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: Armando Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Very interesting model. "Unfortunatly" I already have the Roco version, so I´ll spend the thousand bucks on other things... ;-) Hi However, the comparison between the Roco model (with no sounds, no Swiss headlight change-over, plastic body, etc.) to these new all-metal, with sounds Märklin model would be like comparing CocaCola to Champagne (Like the nasty Maria Callas once said...). So, you'd better start saving.... Cheers! Slightly off topic Not quite right: There seems to be an automatic assumption: Roco = plastic. Well I like to inform you, the ROCO crocodiles are almost all metal except the middle section (almost 500g and you are right regarding: no sound and no Swiss change over headlights. I haven't been able or have not tried to look into the possibility of changing the bulg to led's to achiever the Swiss light combination. I also like to enlighten you my Märklin Croc (528g) (3652 = changed over with 5 pole motor and sound decoder) is no challenge to my Roco Croc when it comes to pulling power, one reason I can imagine is the Roco model is all wheel drive and the Märklin loco has 3 wheels powered. The roco model in my opinion will never house a sound decoder unless you re arrange the whole middle section, which can be done professionally but not for the average person. another point I like to make is the Märklin Model (3562) is slightly wider and one could assume it is not truly 1:87 whereas the middle part of both locos seems to have the same lenght. For me it is not a question what is 1:87 and what is not but when comparing 2 locos of the same design, one who makes the statement couild also point out some of the other facts I've mentioned so members or readers can get an unbiased (free from all prejudice and favoritism) opinion similar or identical models. regards., John river6109 attached the following image(s):
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mbarreto		#99 Posted : 22 February 2013 18:45:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		Originally Posted by: H0 .... The picture the dealers were showing had the green crocodile with modern handrails at the ends and with Integra magnets. The sample from the fair looks like a brown croc painted green. Maybe they still have to make the modifications for the green one. The usual game: you can order now, but you don't know what you'll get. Tom, Good news (at least for me it is new ). I was looking at Märklin Magazine, page 10 (Englilsh version), and the photo of the green croc that comes on it seems similar to the green 37565. As we know, there were also green crocs with different handrail disposition, like the 37566 prototype, so we will probably see M producing one of those in SBB version in the time to come.
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JohnnyB		#100 Posted : 23 February 2013 12:09:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/01/2013(UTC) Posts: 33		I can't see the difference in the connecting rods, would somebody be able to explain it a bit better? Normally I have an eye for things like that but perhaps I'm looking at the wrong spot. Either way I really like this two and have ordered them from Lokshop. My wallet hates me.
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