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steventrain
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25 April 2013 16:43:25(UTC)
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Hi all,
37566 with wooden box have starting delivery from Marklin.
No news on 37565, It mean sold out?
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: steventrain
No news on 37565, It mean sold out?
Yellow light means "Article temporarily not in stock".
If the back orders exceed the production batch, then it'll stay on yellow light and will never go green.
I just mean they may have shipped several batches to the dealers while the traffic light remained yellow.
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Another crocodile 37564. See News from Marklin topic.
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As promised last week a couple of videos showing 37565 - 1 and 2
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Wot? No sounds?
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Originally Posted by: DV
As promised last week a couple of videos showing 37565 - 1 and 2
Enjoy
Wot? No sounds?
Have you turn on volume?
Both came with sounds.
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Two more model - 37566 and 37567 in stock.
Each came with wooden box.
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Originally Posted by: steventrain
Originally Posted by: Armando
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As promised last week a couple of videos showing 37565 - 1 and 2
Enjoy
Wot? No sounds?
Have you turn on volume?
Both came with sounds.
However, there are no sounds in the videos that were posted here and that originated my comments.
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Just note that 37567 Black version is a sell out quick.
Four (but now five) Buy it now sold under 500 euro each within 10 hours on ebay.de.
Soon be very rare item list and price may be double next year.
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Originally Posted by: river6109
slightly off topic
lots of modellers or collectors call the ÖBB Rh 1020 an Austrian crocodile and in fact it is not.
Austria produce it own version of the crocodile, ÖBB Rh 1189 or the earlier one BBÖ 1100.
this model from Roco, so far hasn't come out in AC but I couldn't help purchasing it because it is unique.
the drive mechanism is from a centrally located motor with a rubber band transferring the power onto another wheel (figure 8 shape)
the original decoder wasn't very effective so I've changed the decoder and its running now like a dream.
I received mine in a wooden box (limited museum loco)
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the 1020 is actually the Austrian inherited E 94/BR 194, which was known as the German Crocodile. The Austrian railways commissioned a number of loks based on the Swiss Ce 6/8II for the Arlberg route. Those loks are known in Austria as Crocodiles. I do not know what name they have given to the former German loks that they inherited.
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slightly off topic
lots of modellers or collectors call the ÖBB Rh 1020 an Austrian crocodile and in fact it is not.
Austria produce it own version of the crocodile, ÖBB Rh 1189 or the earlier one BBÖ 1100.
this model from Roco, so far hasn't come out in AC but I couldn't help purchasing it because it is unique.
the drive mechanism is from a centrally located motor with a rubber band transferring the power onto another wheel (figure 8 shape)
the original decoder wasn't very effective so I've changed the decoder and its running now like a dream.
I received mine in a wooden box (limited museum loco)
John
John,
the 1020 is actually the Austrian inherited E 94/BR 194, which was known as the German Crocodile. The Austrian railways commissioned a number of loks based on the Swiss Ce 6/8II for the Arlberg route. Those loks are known in Austria as Crocodiles. I do not know what name they have given to the former German loks that they inherited.
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Mike,
for some unknown reason why the E 94/194 was called German Crocodile in the first place is a bit of a mystery to me, although it looks similar but hasn't got the snout as the Swiss Crocodile and than going on and naming the Austrian Rh 1020 a Crocodile is definitely (in my opinion) out of context having an almost copy of the Swiss crocodile (ÖBB Rh1189).
Someone must have come up with an idea and it must have stuck ever since and now everyone is using this name, which I think is ridiculous.
going back to the new Swiss Crocodile, if this is how the new loco is running (video), no thanks unless they didn't or couldn't program the loco so it can run smoothly.
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Mine are in the mail and are expected to arrive tomorrow. They would have been here today if it wasn´t for the celebration of the national day today.
I´ve been googling and found a picture with the brown crocodile:
Picture of a croc
Clearly the croc is pulling some passenger trains and thats would I like too. It´s propably just a special arrangement as I know the crocs pulled goods trains. But what cars are in the picture? Or rather what Märklin cars could you use to pull with the crocs? I guess cars that are pulled by Re460 are to modern...
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Clearly the croc is pulling some passenger trains and thats would I like too. It´s propably just a special arrangement as I know the crocs pulled goods trains. But what cars are in the picture? Or rather what Märklin cars could you use to pull with the crocs? I guess cars that are pulled by Re460 are to modern...
Hi David,
I would suggest this set, I guess it's typical for Swiss Eras II-III.
Or may be you'll find similar Swiss freight cars separately.
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37566 arrive mine No 0999 of 2500.
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I received mine today.
I find them fantastic.
Run very well, very powerful (just *one* of them pulls my 16 cars/ 128 axles fully loaded Ro-la train with ease!! Yes, I know, it is not prototypical!)
Some details *seem* to be a little on the fragile side, although nothing's broken yet!
Particularly nice: the finely etched metal grilles that are mounted on the roof corners on the cab
The only small drawback: too loud!
I'll have to find the way to lower the volume.
Other than that way better than the equivalent Rocos, but I won't complaint: these three Crocs have performed a heck of a job on my layout in the last 20 years or so!
Now I really have lost count of how many crocs in my pond.
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Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister
Clearly the croc is pulling some passenger trains and thats would I like too. It´s propably just a special arrangement as I know the crocs pulled goods trains. But what cars are in the picture? Or rather what Märklin cars could you use to pull with the crocs? I guess cars that are pulled by Re460 are to modern...
Make no mistakes: Crocodiles have been pulling passenger trains as well, and not seldom at that!
I have seen countless pictures of such occurences, all the way to the Leichtstahlwagen of the late 1940's!
In the early 1920's it even pulled the Hapag LLoyd express (of CIWL fame) often double heading with a Be 4/6.
They have had such a long career (they'll soon be 100!!) , they have been probably pulling about anything you can imagine...and then some!
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I wonder who will win...
Really nice detailing, but I think the models are very small. But the comparison between a croc and the GG-1 isn´t fair.
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37566 arrive mine No 0999 of 2500.
Congratulations Steven ! Very Nice
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Got my black today!!!
I've got all four now
37565-01
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37566
37567
So happy :-)
The black one come without certificate, so strange...
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Here, the Brown one with a long ep II freight train on my layout.
This reptile pulls a punch!!
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I wonder who will win...
Really nice detailing, but I think the models are very small. But the comparison between a croc and the GG-1 isn´t fair.
I do not wonder,the answer is obvious.
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Originally Posted by: jvuye
Here, the Brown one with a long ep II freight train on my layout.
This reptile pulls a punch!!
It really impresses what it pulls and how easily it does it.
Thanks a lot for your video.
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A Croc double header from the new Twin Croc pack pulling what else?
But a beer train, of course - woohoo. (you might be able to hear the sounds, but I doubt it as it was run during the exhibition - AMRE)
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Cool, very cool!!
Thanks Dusan!
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Here, the Brown one with a long ep II freight train on my layout.
This reptile pulls a punch!!
It really impresses what it pulls and how easily it does it.
Thanks a lot for your video.
Thanks Miguel
I like long trains so I take care of my rolling stock with spotless wheels and *very* free axles' bearings.
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Hi friends,
A few questions/notes:
1: I'm in Germany at the moment, and for those after a black one Gleis11 in Munich has one in the showcase. Don't remember price but it wasn't marked up or anything. They also had the OBB one
2: Does anyone have a bit of a "several months in" endurance or progress report? I'm really motivated to buy the double set, but its a colossal expense and I want to be sure this loco is a real winner before making the investment.
Seeing it in person did the job- I'm close to pulling the trigger if i can find the set cheap enough somewhere..
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2: Does anyone have a bit of a "several months in" endurance or progress report? I'm really motivated to buy the double set, but its a colossal expense and I want to be sure this loco is a real winner before making the investment.
Seeing it in person did the job- I'm close to pulling the trigger if i can find the set cheap enough somewhere.....
Hi John
No one has had it for months...just been delivered.
However, as you knoxw me, you could have expected I took it apart to see how it was made.
It is very beautifully engineered and runs well as I said.
The two little motors are in fact the type used in N gauge locos and are a tried and true design.
The gears are brass, not plastic and very smooth.
Some little details appear fragile, but this is a true high quality high detail design...
For what it's worth: I didn't have (and still don't..) any reservation from the construction standpoint.
But check the price in the US...I have seen the set around 940 US $ which boils down to 723 €.
Anything better I guess would be gravy.
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Hi friends,
.....
2: Does anyone have a bit of a "several months in" endurance or progress report? I'm really motivated to buy the double set, but its a colossal expense and I want to be sure this loco is a real winner before making the investment.
Seeing it in person did the job- I'm close to pulling the trigger if i can find the set cheap enough somewhere..
Hi John
No one has had it for months...just been delivered.
However, as you knoxw me, you could have expected I took it apart to see how it was made.
It is very beautifully engineered and runs well as I said.
The two little motors are in fact the type used in N gauge locos and are a tried and true design.
The gears are brass, not plastic and very smooth.
Some little details appear fragile, but this is a true high quality high detail design...
For what it's worth: I didn't have (and still don't..) any reservation from the construction standpoint.
But check the price in the US...I have seen the set around 940 US $ which boils down to 723 €.
Anything better I guess would be gravy.
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Jacques,
It good to hear you like it, so in your opinion do the 2 motors really make a difference in pulling power, my argument was always not just with Märklin, the balance between motor capacity, weight and rubber tyres had never been achieved except the older croc 3015 with its huge weight but of course slightly out of HO scale.
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Jacques,
Thats for the input! Checking the furniture for loose change now....
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Hi Dusan,
Thanks a lot for your video! It is super to see the crocs multi-unit pulling all that wagons!
These new crocs are without any doubt something really great!!
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Jacques,
It good to hear you like it, so in your opinion do the 2 motors really make a difference in pulling power, ....
John
Hi John
To be quite honest, I really don't think it is that much stronger than a one motor loco although I have not made any scientifically calibrated measurement.
It just happens the new crocs perform (at least ) exactly the same duties as the older versions.
The train you see on my video is the one I use to calibrate older locs.
For modern loks I use a 16 cars RoLa (128 axles, much heavier!) train as a test.
The new crocs pull both with ease, although it is really very heavy and I wouldn't use this as a regular load!
But my standard trains comprise usually 15 to 20 cars: and those are definitely not a problem!
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Originally Posted by: jvuye
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The train you see on my video is the one I use to calibrate older locs.
For modern loks I use a 16 cars RoLa (128 axles, much heavier!) train as a test.
...
It's a good idea to use the RoLa to test the locos. Is your track all at same level?
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It's a good idea to use the RoLa to test the locos. Is your track all at same level?
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Hi Miguel
The Rola test is on level track.
That train needs two locos to run over the whole layout with a max of 3.2% slope on spirals in R3
But I know by experience that if a single loco can pull it on the level section, it will easily pull the "regular" train of 20 freight cars or passenger 10 coaches over the entire set up.
The level section is relatively accessible, so if a train hangs somewhere it is not a problem to retrieve it.
If it is stuck in a multi level spiral with limites access it could be a b..ch to recover!
It may not seem very "scientific" (and it isn't!
) but it is simply the consistent benchmark I use.
Any loco that doesn't pass will be run with lighter loads obviously.
So, in the meantime the crocs were tested in pair with the RoLa on the whole layout.
Pass!
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Cool, very cool!!
Thanks Dusan!
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Hi Dusan,
Thanks a lot for your video! It is super to see the crocs multi-unit pulling all that wagons!
These new crocs are without any doubt something really great!!
Thanks guys. I can report that we started the crocs at 09.30 and ran them till the exhibition stopped at 14.00.
They did stop on a few occasions due to some members running their trains that weren't suited to the layout
and causing short circuits
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They ran superbly.
here's another video.
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steventrain
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12 June 2013 21:58:57(UTC)
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I have test the 37566 run on my layout and it is excellent with sounds.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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13 June 2013 00:07:26(UTC)
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I just bought the two crocodile set but under the Trix brand and I have to say that I like both models a lot. Nevertheless there are some areas that I was expecting more from these models and still waiting for the perfect crocodile (hopefully Hag should provide the final answer someday).
The issues I found are:
1) Plastic walkways: having the roco and Trix/marklin old versions with metal walkways, I would like these were also equipped with metal walkways, plastic ones are not necessary straight and solid enough. Also due to this issue sometimes the rods are hammering the walkway when they are running so moving the walkways upward (they are flexible enough) solved the problem, but this should not be happening at this price level.
2) Running Characteristics: my older Trix/Marklin has more weight, pulling power and inertia, I would have expect better running from a new design two motor model in comparison to the old one, but this is not the case.
3) Silence: my old roco and Trix/Marklin it is way smother than these crocs, and the trix/marklin old model have the old 5 pole version with lenz gold decoder. I have put some few drops of oil but there is still lack of oil sound somewhere, electrical pick ups are now the only parts without oil so the sound should came from there, this is only noticeable in my green croco, the brown one is perfectly fine, too stiff pick ups could be the answer.
4) Handrails to thick: the green croco has yellow painted handrails and due to the excess of paint the handrails are way too thick, one side has the handrails installed wrong, and not perpendicular to the cab.
Overall I’m happy with my purchase, nevertheless there is always some things to improve.
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26 June 2013 17:17:36(UTC)
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Hello!
Now my Croc is back
With windows in both cabs! See post 133 and 188.
It's a very nice lok and runs smoothly
A special thanks to my local MÄRKLIN dealer EUROHOBBY in Helsingborg Sweden.
- since my lack in english I don't write so much here.. but learn by trying right? :) -
//Bertil
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30 June 2013 02:45:36(UTC)
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Are these made in the factory in Germany
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01 December 2013 19:45:08(UTC)
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Hi All,
The 37565 is now out of stock and no more from Marklin.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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