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Offline H0  
#51 Posted : 01 February 2013 16:15:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MarioFabro Go to Quoted Post
I believe I can have two mfX decoders with the same address, one with full sound and one with limited sound.
No, addresses for mfx decoders are set automatically by the controller and each decoder will get a unique address.
You will then have to make a consist of both decoders.

You can set the MM address of mfx decoders. If there is no mfx coming from the controller, both decoders will listen to the same MM address.
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#52 Posted : 01 February 2013 16:34:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MarioFabro Go to Quoted Post
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BTW.. I will greatly use the "two decoders with same address" solution for when I put together my PushPull consists with lights. I have a few of them for SBB and intend to put a second decoder in the cab-control car (have some from Liliput and Fleishmann I will use) to alternate the front/rear lights and to control the lighting of the consist (through CC couplers most likely).


Hi Mario,
Without getting into American diesels, I am with you on all the rest, function decoders in Cab Control (Steuerwagen) Wagens are fun, and add lots of realism and 'play ability" to a consist, also save power when there are a few fully lit (lighted) consists on the track. (ie turn off the lights in parked consists) At the moment I am not using M4 decoders for function decoders, but will move to them for sure. With my CS1-R latching up a consist of different decoders, with different addresses, is not a problem, and should not be with a CS2 either. That said, operation with the same addresses is just slightly simpler in the set up, and of course can be done without the aid of "consisting" on a Central Station, so it works with 6021 etc. All of my Loks are MFX, M4 or FX Smile I use the Marklin or RTS CC couplers which are single pole, or the Viessmann 5048 dual pole couplers which are a modification of a Fleishmann coupler and they work well in operation and are very convenient, but usually require drilling holes in the floor of your precious coaches to feed the wires thru, Scared however they negate the need for a grounding plate on each wagen ThumpUp Smile

Apologies for being off topic, just answering the above posting Blushing
Glen
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" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
Offline abisel  
#53 Posted : 01 February 2013 16:46:16(UTC)
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I changed the title of this thread.

It has expanded beyond just a dead decoder replacement to discussions on upgrades of which I may have initiated.

Keep the comments coming.
Offline NZMarklinist  
#54 Posted : 01 February 2013 16:53:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: abisel Go to Quoted Post
I like your ideas about LEDs for road numbers, cabin lights, headlights and diesel engine area. Let us know what you come up with. I too will look into possible solutions using my existing V4 decoder. It does have 4 AUX outputs and the adapter plate has an amplifier for AUX 3 and 4.

I like the idea of a MARS light, maybe even a red rotating beacon.

Also, I would like to integrate the slow speed to the bell sound. So that when you get below a threshold speed, the bell starts up (if enabled).

I'm also going to look into a better way to run wires between A and B units. I don't really like the way it is because the shrink tubing is being chafed by the loco frame and cover. Maybe a mini connector between the two units that unplug that may even look more realistic.




Hi Abisel,

The connecting wires maybe a bit short. If you put in a mini connector, ideally, don't have it visible from the outside, just make the connection as small and as black as possible, maybe give the wires just a couple of mms more slack if you rewire it Wink .
However, keep it prototypical, don't know about any rotating lights on main line US Locos Unsure
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
Offline MarioFabro  
#55 Posted : 01 February 2013 17:14:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post

Hi Mario,
Without getting into American diesels, I am with you on all the rest, function decoders in Cab Control (Steuerwagen) Wagens are fun, and add lots of realism and 'play ability" to a consist, also save power when there are a few fully lit (lighted) consists on the track. (ie turn off the lights in parked consists) At the moment I am not using M4 decoders for function decoders, but will move to them for sure. With my CS1-R latching up a consist of different decoders, with different addresses, is not a problem, and should not be with a CS2 either. That said, operation with the same addresses is just slightly simpler in the set up, and of course can be done without the aid of "consisting" on a Central Station, so it works with 6021 etc. All of my Loks are MFX, M4 or FX Smile I use the Marklin or RTS CC couplers which are single pole, or the Viessmann 5048 dual pole couplers which are a modification of a Fleishmann coupler and they work well in operation and are very convenient, but usually require drilling holes in the floor of your precious coaches to feed the wires thru, Scared however they negate the need for a grounding plate on each wagen ThumpUp Smile

Apologies for being off topic, just answering the above posting Blushing


Glen,

thanks for the comment, mate!

My SBB consisit will be basically "fixed" i.e. I have a loco in mind for every one so I will not "switch" them with different locos. I think it is then better to go with the non-mfX decoder, give same addess to loco+steurewagen, make sure that the lights are "inverted" (head in front and tail in back) and have fun with it. I like the idea of the Viessmann couplers and only one grounding plate. Do the decoders run out of power if i have, say, 5 IC-2000 cars, double deck, with lights on both decks? I plan on using Marklin LED lights (of which I have a few) or, even better, those LED strip-lights you can buy in 5m rolls from China for 15$ (have bought a few rolls). You can split in ca. 10cm lengths / 3 LED each and I plan on using three such strips per car, say total 15 strips = 45 LEDs. I think the load on these is minimal but I heard somewhere that decoders have a limitation (is it 210 mA) on the light output.

Originally Posted by: abisel Go to Quoted Post

I'm also going to look into a better way to run wires between A and B units. I don't really like the way it is because the shrink tubing is being chafed by the loco frame and cover. Maybe a mini connector between the two units that unplug that may even look more realistic.


Let me know what you come up with. I actually believe that leaving two thin wires going between loks would make it even more realistic

Poor image but gives an idea of the connection

BTW.. question: since I bought my A and B units on e-bay and some came without box, I would like to have the three units "fixed" together. I saw there is a fixed connection you can use (not the NEM coupler) but only have one of them. Will have to build the second one if I can't find a Marklin part number for it.
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Offline abisel  
#56 Posted : 01 February 2013 20:56:01(UTC)
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"two wires going between the loks".

Great idea and since there are 4 wires, I split them up into the speaker wires and the rear light wires.

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Offline NZMarklinist  
#57 Posted : 02 February 2013 07:36:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: abisel Go to Quoted Post
"two wires going between the loks".

Great idea and since there are 4 wires, I split them up into the speaker wires and the rear light wires.




Looks like a perfect solution ThumpUp
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
Offline NZMarklinist  
#58 Posted : 02 February 2013 10:06:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MarioFabro Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post

Hi Mario,
Without getting into American diesels, I am with you on all the rest, function decoders in Cab Control (Steuerwagen) Wagens are fun, and add lots of realism and 'play ability" to a consist, also save power when there are a few fully lit (lighted) consists on the track. (ie turn off the lights in parked consists) At the moment I am not using M4 decoders for function decoders, but will move to them for sure. With my CS1-R latching up a consist of different decoders, with different addresses, is not a problem, and should not be with a CS2 either. That said, operation with the same addresses is just slightly simpler in the set up, and of course can be done without the aid of "consisting" on a Central Station, so it works with 6021 etc. All of my Loks are MFX, M4 or FX Smile I use the Marklin or RTS CC couplers which are single pole, or the Viessmann 5048 dual pole couplers which are a modification of a Fleishmann coupler and they work well in operation and are very convenient, but usually require drilling holes in the floor of your precious coaches to feed the wires thru, Scared however they negate the need for a grounding plate on each wagen ThumpUp Smile

Apologies for being off topic, just answering the above posting Blushing


Glen,

thanks for the comment, mate!

My SBB consisit will be basically "fixed" i.e. I have a loco in mind for every one so I will not "switch" them with different locos. I think it is then better to go with the non-mfX decoder, give same addess to loco+steurewagen, make sure that the lights are "inverted" (head in front and tail in back) and have fun with it. I like the idea of the Viessmann couplers and only one grounding plate. Do the decoders run out of power if i have, say, 5 IC-2000 cars, double deck, with lights on both decks? I plan on using Marklin LED lights (of which I have a few) or, even better, those LED strip-lights you can buy in 5m rolls from China for 15$ (have bought a few rolls). You can split in ca. 10cm lengths / 3 LED each and I plan on using three such strips per car, say total 15 strips = 45 LEDs. I think the load on these is minimal but I heard somewhere that decoders have a limitation (is it 210 mA) on the light output.




Hi Mario,
What sort of Controller are you using ?
I have just been having a little "play" with my IC Cab Control Car which has an earlier Marklin Function decoder in it (address 01), and consisted it with my recently aquired 39830 BR182. To get the F1 working in the consist which turns on the train lighting (with a relay) , I just had to enable the F1 function on the Lok. In the CS1-R/Ecos Controllers you can switch the direction if necessary in the consisting menu Wink Usually I run it with a BR101 with FX decoder, that also doesnt have an F1 function but the address is the same , ie 01. One of my 101's, 37398, is MFX with sounds, and whilst not often used, IIRC consists up and works well, so don't confine yourself to non M4/MFX decoders just for the sake of consists ThumpUp Smile
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
Offline nmbssncb  
#59 Posted : 07 February 2013 11:26:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: abisel Go to Quoted Post
"two wires going between the loks".

Great idea and since there are 4 wires, I split them up into the speaker wires and the rear light wires.




Hello, Abisel,


Good idea to put the connecting wires between the different A/B units through a sleeve or heat shrink.

A couple of weeks ago I was doing some maintenance on my new 37628 (Kansas City Southerns A-B-A F7). The colored connecting wires were not held together at all.

M37628

(the bit of yellow wire "tie-wrap" is my doing).

After putting the shells back on the chassis I forgot to check the wires properly, and, alas some had got caught between chassis and shell.
The result was at first that all functions of de decoder did still work, but not the motor control. As soon as spped 8 (of 126) was reached on my CS1R, the decoder shut down, and would reset itself after a couple of seconds.
Resetting the decoder did not help. The motors were tested separately with a DC transformer and showed no problems.
I checked the wires but could not detect an area where the insulation had been damaged (and possibly caused a short circuit...).

In the end the decoder did not respond at all. Completely dead.

Maybe there was something wrong with decoder from the beginning. I do remember that the F7 did not slow down and stop gently according the deceleration setting when the direction of driving was reversed by pressing the "red knob" or speed control knob.

I sent the F7 back to M. repair and hopefully it will be repaired under warranty.

And I do find the speaker "tube" to close to the edge of the chassis which makes it difficult to properly secure the interconnecting wires.


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