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Offline mike c  
#51 Posted : 28 November 2007 06:57:21(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jeehring
<br />BTW
anybody to give an adress mail or FAX number to join technical department at Marklin Goppingen ? Thank you


technikfragen@maerklin.de (Technical Queries)
kundenbetreuung@maerklin.de (Customer Service)

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#52 Posted : 28 November 2007 06:59:20(UTC)
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<br />Hi kurt! Where did you get your "Cargo" Ae 6/6? I would love to buy one myself!


Re: Ae 6/6 Cargo

The Ae 6/6 Cargo is available through Swiss dealers. Check zuba-tech.ch, modellbahn-shop.ch, suter-meggen.ch or roundhouse.ch or any of the dealers (Haendler) listed at www.maerklin.ch.
This model is not available c/o Dealers outside of Switzerland.
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Offline Guus  
#53 Posted : 28 November 2007 10:55:00(UTC)
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Hi Mike,welcome to the marklin-users forum Smile

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:......The day of the SuisseToy show, I was so eager to see the first photos that would be posted. I was disappointed right away to see the design of the interconnecting baffles between the coaches. Additionally, the design of the coach bodies adjacent to the bogies was a shock.

The photos in the New Items Brochure and in subsequent photos released by Maerklin (www.maerklin.de under screensavers) did not show this feature.

So, are we as modellers bound to accept a model that is significantly different from what was advertised?.....

I think that's exactly the reason why many of us are so disappointed.The initial photos of the Gottardo looked so nice and promissing.

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Offline kurtjr  
#54 Posted : 28 November 2007 10:59:56(UTC)
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I like the Ae 6/6 too and it runs really well. I got mine from Zuba-Tech in St. Gallen. Märklin did a really good job on this one.

In regards of the Rae TEE, i think the detailing is great and the train runs well. If Märklin were to recall it and fix the bogie system and the crossovers between the cars i wouldn't say no.

Honestly, i like the train, and i will happily run it on my layout. Its not perfect, like the Ae 6/6 or Ae 8/14, but its got a nice feel to it and by doing all the research with similar models, its in a lot better than the Lima or Metrop versions available. If they could only fix those wheels...

Off Topic...Guus, that car is my other passion and hobby but considerably more expensive ;-) My father and i are Italian car & Märklin freaks. We also share an old Alfa Guilia Nuova Super from 1973...so much fun to drive!
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Offline Guus  
#55 Posted : 28 November 2007 11:00:18(UTC)
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originally posted by Brian:

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Not sure if any swiss dealers still stock the 37363 'Erstfeld'. Here is an ebay link though....

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I have one and like it a lot!! SmileSmile


Yes I fully agree.Funny you should mention that in this topic because it shows what Märklin is capable of.

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Offline Guus  
#56 Posted : 28 November 2007 11:13:58(UTC)
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originally posted by Kurt:

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Honestly, i like the train, and i will happily run it on my layout. Its not perfect, like the Ae 6/6 or Ae 8/14, but its got a nice feel to it and by doing all the research with similar models, its in a lot better than the Lima or Metrop versions available. If they could only fix those wheels...

Thanks for your valuable input.

I accept that the design of modeltrains often involves a lot of compromising and that its the general feel and look of the final product that counts.The Ae 8/14 is a good example of that I think.

However the Gottardo seems too much of a mixed bag to me.The metal body, the paintwork,the lettering and the motor are all excellent and up to the standards of Märklin we're used to.If only the final outcome of their design were it little bit better I would be happy to buy one.

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Guus



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Offline steventrain  
#57 Posted : 28 November 2007 21:58:54(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum, Mike.Smile
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Offline alonso231gery  
#58 Posted : 29 November 2007 00:55:19(UTC)
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Why i cannot find one at ebay?
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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Offline cjh26  
#59 Posted : 29 November 2007 02:36:38(UTC)
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Your comments were well put. Best of luck with this model

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kurtjr
<br />After a first set of trial runs i can conclude the following:

Positive points
1) it runs on any radius. The small R1 as well, no derailments and no issues. (unlike the Ram TEE which occasionally jumped the track because of the lighter cars "marklin 39700")
2) it is really heavy! so no crap plastic bodies.
3) the motor has great running characteristics, exactly like the 8/14.
4) the lighting is ok. Actually i even think they did a good job on it. The hallway lights in the motor car are nice.
5) The length of the cars are 26cm vs. the Ram TEE which is 22cm.
6) the space between the cars is less than the Ram TEE. It's 1.02cm between car bodies and 3mm between the black bits. Don't think you can get any closer...
7) the couplers are also the connectors. so no wires to connect and cars to couple.
8) Detailing is excellent! paintjob is good too! Except for the antennas.

The negatives:
1) Now the pictures you have seen are correct about the connector being visible in a tight corner. The Roco rubber solution would definitely look better i agree. With the Ram TEE i also occasionally had part of the wire sticking out too which i found annoying. You have the same problem with normal marklin 26cm passenger cars except that you don't have the connector in between.
2)Going up the hill can become difficult for the two motors, as the train is really heavy. But it manages without any manual assistance which is ok.
3)The wheels...yep, i'm not a fan of this system but i can see it not being mechanically possible not to do it this way on any normal layout.
4)The antennas

My Verdict:

Although its got some stuff which i don't like, in particular the wheels and the connectors being visible in tight corners, i think it looks fine. It certainly looks good stopped in a station and it runs well.

If you are true to detail and you can't oversee the compromises that were done to make it user friendly on any Marklin layout, then this is not the train for you.

If you enjoy having a TEE running on your layout then this one is actually ok. Is it worth 900+ Swissies? maybe not, but i can see where the money went, its been melted into the car body.
Wink wink

Its already growing on me, i'm starting to like it slowly especially running it next to my Ram TEE. It reminds me of some CD's i recently bought which had bad press reviews before they were released...They sound great!

I think people should test it before they make decisions based on website pictures. Again just my opinion!

Pic's to follow with the Ram TEE together.








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Offline Guus  
#60 Posted : 29 November 2007 09:33:14(UTC)
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orignally posted by Nikos:

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Why i cannot find one at ebay?

Hi Nikos,

There are not many of them around yet.At this moment the Gottardo is only sold in Switzerland.

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Guus
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Offline mike c  
#61 Posted : 29 November 2007 17:47:46(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />Why i cannot find one at ebay?


There was one on ebay.ch accessible via http://cgi.ebay.com/SBB-...WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Last week there was another one on Ricardo.ch

From what I could tell, neither one has received any bids.

Just in case you were referring to the Ae 610 (Ae 6/6) Cargo, you can find this also listed on ebay.ch under Modellbau. A better bet would be to google Maerklin 37363

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Offline Guus  
#62 Posted : 29 November 2007 18:33:12(UTC)
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originally posted by Mike Cee:

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:just in case you were referring to the Ae 610 (Ae 6/6) Cargo, you can find this also listed on ebay.ch under Modellbau. A better bet would be to google Maerklin 37363

Thank you Mike,I think we're all aware of that.
Many marklin-users.net forum members own one and the model has been discussed extensively on these pages!

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Guus
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Offline mike c  
#63 Posted : 30 November 2007 07:16:14(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />originally posted by Mike Cee:

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:just in case you were referring to the Ae 610 (Ae 6/6) Cargo, you can find this also listed on ebay.ch under Modellbau. A better bet would be to google Maerklin 37363

Thank you Mike,I think we're all aware of that.
Many marklin-users.net forum members own one and the model has been discussed extensively on these pages!

Kind regards
Guus


That line was included just in case the author of the post that I was responding to was referring to the Cargo 610 instead of the RAe that is the subject of this thread.

BTW The Hag model of the Cargo 610 is on special at eurolokshop

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Offline cjh26  
#64 Posted : 10 January 2008 20:46:22(UTC)
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Has the Gottardo arrived at US Dealers yet
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Offline mike c  
#65 Posted : 12 January 2008 22:22:35(UTC)
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<br />Has the Gottardo arrived at US Dealers yet
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Offline mike c  
#66 Posted : 12 January 2008 22:26:41(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by cjh26
<br />Has the Gottardo arrived at US Dealers yet


Sorry about the post above, but somehow, my password got erased and when I went back to reenter it, the text was deleted.???????

From what I know, the Gottardo was made available to US and international dealers as of December 21, 2007

Robert Frowenfeld sent an email with the following update:

{quote]New 2007 items "on the way"

Well, it's a little late for Christmas, but…

Märklin just informed me that the following new items for 2007 are on their way. I'll be sending these out as soon as they arrive:

18023-Insider fire truck
26540 "Rheinpfeil" TEE: Electric Locomotive w/4 Long Distance Express Cars
37038 ÖBB Cl 638 Passenger Locomotive (L)
37571 DB 103 Electric Locomotive (L)
39540 SBB TEE RAe "Gottardo" Rail Car Train (L)
39970 DB cl 701 Powered Catenary Maintenance Rail Car
41870 SNCF TEE Express Train INOX Passenger 4-Car Set (L)
43850 DB type Av4üm-62 Express Train "Rheingold" Passenger Car
43870 DB type WR4üm-62 Express Train "Rheingold" Dining Car
44532 Glass tank car "Pernod"
46955 HO German Federal Army Kbs 443 Stake Car & 5T GL Mil Truck
46956 HO German Federal Army Kbs 443 Stake Car & 7T GL Mil Truck
48407 2007 Christmas Car
48534 DB type Lbgjs 598 Flat Car w/Container & Truck Model (MHI)
48684 DB type Sammp 705 Flat Car w/pipe load(L)
48713 HO German Federal Army Rimmps 650 Heavy Duty Flat Car & 10T GL Mil
55961-Insider Model
73401 Lighting kit with white LED's
80617 2007 Christmas Car

Please note that I do not always get 100% of what I ordered on the first shipments, so please be patient - you'll get yours soon!


It is possible that the Gottardo has been shipped in batches, as it was in Europe, but as stock was made available at the same time as the second batch hit Europe, it is likely that there will be more available than was the case when it first was released in Europe.

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Mike C
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Offline plavnostruev  
#67 Posted : 12 January 2008 22:59:30(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by cjh26
<br />Has the Gottardo arrived at US Dealers yet


From what I know, the Gottardo was made available to US and international dealers as of December 21, 2007

Mike C


All but 6 Gottardos thus far reached these shores and went to dealers who were first to place orders for it. I have not yet received my allocation but I welcome all to come and see for themselves this outstanding model in operation on R1 curves once it finally gets here.
I will wager that instead of concentrating on car connectors, you will instead simply admire the train - that's what happened to me in Munich.
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Offline mike c  
#68 Posted : 15 January 2008 03:19:07(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mike c
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by cjh26
<br />Has the Gottardo arrived at US Dealers yet


From what I know, the Gottardo was made available to US and international dealers as of December 21, 2007

Mike C


All but 6 Gottardos thus far reached these shores and went to dealers who were first to place orders for it. I have not yet received my allocation but I welcome all to come and see for themselves this outstanding model in operation on R1 curves once it finally gets here.
I will wager that instead of concentrating on car connectors, you will instead simply admire the train - that's what happened to me in Munich.
wink

Mike


Hey Mike:

Are you referring to models ordered through Marklin USA or models ordered directly from Goeppingen? From what I can tell, neither Reynaulds, Micro Macro Mundo, RJF Trains nor any of the other dealers that I deal with have received their direct shipments as of yet.
I also did not see any in stock info from Eisentrains, Annie Jewel & Charlies, Eurorailhobbies, Eurotrainhobby or Discount Trains.

Did you order your trains directly or through Marklin USA?

FYI Check out this video (YouTube) and tell me you can't notice the problem in the curves:


Looks like the Gottardo's being climbing the Rigibahn again
BTW, please let me know if you have an open box special on the Ae 6/6 from the 29680 Set.

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Mike C
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Offline mmervine  
#69 Posted : 15 January 2008 03:35:30(UTC)
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Mike c:

Great video, but I have to agree on the connectors. This looks like a great model, but we need someone to design some corridor connectors!

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#70 Posted : 15 January 2008 04:41:50(UTC)
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Hey Mike:

Did you order your trains directly or through Marklin USA?


Marklin USA.

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FYI Check out this video (YouTube) and tell me you can't notice the problem in the curves:



I don't so much see the problem in the curves, I see a problem with the curves. But let's not start the cockfight all over!
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Offline Armando  
#71 Posted : 15 January 2008 06:14:52(UTC)
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FYI Check out this video (YouTube) and tell me you can't notice the problem in the curves:



As hard as I try, I'll never be able to get over those horrible movable skirts. And how undignified for the Gottardo to be made to transit over R1. Some insider models simply should not be sold to just anyone...
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#72 Posted : 15 January 2008 10:22:05(UTC)
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I saw the model and it looked very nice.
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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Offline chrisisrang  
#73 Posted : 15 January 2008 11:42:30(UTC)
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Hello,

I completely agree with Lutz that the model is really nice - extremely well made (if one can overlook the issue of "ugly connector". Excellent paintwork, solid feel, runs extremely well!!

Cheers,

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Offline mike c  
#74 Posted : 18 January 2008 02:51:53(UTC)
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A quick review of the 39540 Gottardo:

I received my Set today. I had a chance to take a good look at the Set. While I still believe that the model could have been much better designed, it still runs and looks good on my test oval.
I tried it on my Radius 4 C-Track (Teppichbahn Style). The movable skirts did not look too bad, nor did the Gangway connectors between the coaches.
As opposed to the first videos and pictures, the model did not let light stream out from the ends of the coach, and the train looked good in the dark.
All in all, I am pleased with the model, but it could have been even better, like for example, if they would have added a removable gangway piece that could only be used for Radius 2 and larger.
By the way, do all of the trainsets click loudly when the direction is reversed?

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#75 Posted : 19 January 2008 09:50:55(UTC)
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Well done, Mike!

Hope you enjoy the set.
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#76 Posted : 19 January 2008 10:46:58(UTC)
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In actual RR network, do they such curves?
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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#77 Posted : 19 January 2008 15:01:38(UTC)
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originally posted by Nikos:

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:In actual RR network, do they such curves?

Hi Nikos,

The smallest radius on a mainline is approximately 300 meters.

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#78 Posted : 19 January 2008 15:09:59(UTC)
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Thanks Guus.
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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#79 Posted : 19 January 2008 20:29:58(UTC)
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Hello . I like this model and have one on it's way to me . If you want to look hard enough you could find fault with most things from marklin I thought this site was for people who want to enjoy the hobby not rivet counters.Lets face it the CS is far from perfect but lots of us use it Life is to short.SmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmile
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#80 Posted : 20 January 2008 02:14:04(UTC)
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<br />Hello . I like this model and have one on it's way to me . If you want to look hard enough you could find fault with most things from marklin I thought this site was for people who want to enjoy the hobby not rivet counters.Lets face it the CS is far from perfect but lots of us use it Life is to short.SmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmile


I wouldn't call it being a rivet counter. I consider myself a person who enjoys the hobby immensely. Some times, small improvements and completed research before putting the model into production would however result in a model that would yield even greater satisfaction.
There is nothing wrong with pointing that out.

Noone should be expected to have to love every product that Maerklin (or any other manufacturer puts out.) As a matter of fact, it is criticism of models that contributes to future models not repeating the same flaws and shortcomings. I would hope that somebody at Maerklin occasionally pays attention to the various Forums and BBS.

It's not about looking for flaws. It is about enjoying a hobby with high costs and expecting product that reflects the high cost in terms of quality, accuracy and durability.

In my books, constructive criticism is always welcome. Criticizing somebody just because they are critical of a brand or an issue needs to stop, forthwith.

Enjoy the hobby, enjoy reading what people have to say, pro and con, and if we are criticizing Maerklin, don't take it personally.

Have a good weekend,

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#81 Posted : 20 January 2008 03:51:42(UTC)
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<br /> ........... accommodate the troglodyte R1-users or M-track users,..........


I'm not sure why you would see the need to begin slinging insults towards people you've never met at this point. We've all heard you complain about the Gottardo and the HO scale issues on Marklin models. But is there really a need to insult the vast of majority of users on this site who mix R1 into their layouts or are still running on M-track? Every argument you've made goes out the window when you stoop to insulting people to make your point. [V]
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#82 Posted : 20 January 2008 03:55:50(UTC)
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Armando!! You've deleted your post! Sorry but I've already responded with a SMALL quote.
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#83 Posted : 20 January 2008 04:00:22(UTC)
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<br />Armando!! You've deleted your post! Sorry but I've already responded with a SMALL quote.


Simply because my intention was not to insult, but to make a joke. Therefore I deleted it. I may have gone overboard.
I apologise if I offended you; it wasn't meant that way.
I'm afraid I can't be objective when it comes to this Gottardo or HWZ subject.
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#84 Posted : 20 January 2008 04:39:33(UTC)
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You must be really bored to continue this topic.
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#85 Posted : 20 January 2008 05:07:01(UTC)
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Lutz,
I like your photo of the diaphragm added to the Gottardo. I think a solution like this would work. I hope that a company will produce one.
I rode this train and I would love to have the 39540.

P.S. Lutz
I always enjoy reading your posts.
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#86 Posted : 20 January 2008 12:01:06(UTC)
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Regarding gangway pieces: how about this? biggrin

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Have you test on curved 1st radius 24130?

Thanks in advance, Lutz.Smile
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#87 Posted : 20 January 2008 12:02:42(UTC)
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<br />Hello . I like this model and have one on it's way to me.


Congratulations, Charles.Smile
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#88 Posted : 21 January 2008 07:05:55(UTC)
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Your Gottardo looks OK to me Lutz, even on R2 curves, connectors and all. What's everyone complaining about??
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#89 Posted : 21 January 2008 07:53:11(UTC)
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Hello,

I was looking through the parts list for the 39540. I noted that the black end panels on each of the coaches can be removed. I presume it would be possible without too much work to install a fabric covering the same way that HUI Modellbau adapted the Lima Gottardo model.

You can find pictures of the HUI redo of the Lima model at www.huimodellbau.ch under Fotogalerie then Modelle and then select the RAe photos.

They are no longer making the Lima redo models, but they may still have some of the material left over to adapt a few Maerklin models.

I believe that they removed the end panels of the Lima coaches, glued the fabric to them, installed a metallic strip (the rivets) and reinstalled the end panels, now complete.

The downside would be that it would be difficult to reconnect the models and impossible to uncouple the cars after they were reconnected without damaging the fabric.

Let me know what you think.

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Mike C
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#90 Posted : 21 January 2008 08:26:01(UTC)
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One more quick question for Experts on the RAe Gottardo model.

On most of the coaches of the Gottardo, there are three small windows at one end of the coach. If I remember correctly, that is where the washrooms were situated.

On the Maerklin model, none of these windows are whitened out. I was looking through my collection of books and photos and some shots clearly showed the windows were whited out, while others were not so clear.

Should these windows be whited out or not? Were there any differences in this regard between the various trainsets?

Also, it seems that these windows are more square on the Maerklin model than they appear to be in reality.

Just curious.

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Mike C
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Offline Unholz  
#91 Posted : 21 January 2008 09:55:13(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mike c
Should these windows be whited out or not? Were there any differences in this regard between the various trainsets?


The washroom windows are not pure white, as shown in the attached picture link, but definitely not transparent:

http://www.railfaneurope...01-08-2006_Melide-01.jpg

A difference between the various trainsets is most unlikely - I can't imagine plain glass windows on the washrooms of any Swiss train. Smile
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Offline Armando  
#92 Posted : 21 January 2008 16:22:31(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando
I'm afraid I can't be objective when it comes to this Gottardo or HWZ subject.

Unfortunately! [V]

Neither you nor Mike, etc. are requested or even enforced to buy these models if you don't like them. For Märklin and those customers who buy it is anyways better and more important if they're happy.


The problem, my dearest Lutz, is that I went ahead and ordered and purchased both the HWZ and the Gottardo, based on preliminary information that Märklin put out during the pre-order period. The real things turned out to be a far cry from expectations. I wonder if die großzügige Firma Märklin is now going to compensate me, as an insider, for the loss that I am going to incur when I decide to put up these items for sale on Ebay.
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#93 Posted : 21 January 2008 20:53:46(UTC)
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This is a picture of the real diaphragms on the real Gottardo .On the right side of the photo we may have a close look at the diaphragms .( This picture is from Railfaneurope.net)

Do you think that we used to see on other models like Roco Ram , Marklin VT 11 etc , etc , ...would have been a correct way to reproduce them ?
IMHO : certainly not
Look at the Lima Gottardo : do you find them true ? Nice ? prototypical ?
IMHO : certainly not . I even find them ugly !
Same for the pictures showed on the HUI link Mike C has given : even if the goal was obviously to improve the Lima solution , I find the HUI Modelbau diaphragms really ugly !

The question is : on all existing Gottardo models , what has been the best way to reproduce diaphragms ?( I didn't know there was a Lemaco model of Gottardo , are you sure ?)
Which one do you prefer ?
Comparing to the real prototype of real Gottardo , I find Marklin way the most elegant way to reproduce diaphragms .
It is more an artistic way .IMHO "do nothing" is better than "do ugly"
But Marklin did better than " do nothing" : the creator of this model choose the solution of " suggesting it " . He has suggested the diafragms instead of installing a non prototypical ugly plastic stuff like those we have found on other models .I find this behaviour more serious and more professionnal .
Why Marklin did this way ?
I guess it's because they were no satisfy with the solution of "classical plastic stuff" so they have to search for another solution . A completely new solution and they didn't find it in time .
Looking at the design of the body ,I'm suspecting they have been planning something . I guess : they probably need more time to improve it.

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#94 Posted : 21 January 2008 23:47:16(UTC)
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I wouldn't really be too sure about this! biggrinbiggrinbiggrin


BUT, my dear Lutz, the windows shown in your picture are IMHO not washroom windows because you can even see through the car as well as the windows on the other side of the car. You are suggesting the presence of a "totally transparent washroom", and I don't think that such an invention is provided on any Swiss TEE...biggrinbiggrin
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#95 Posted : 22 January 2008 06:39:17(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:This is a picture of the real diaphragms on the real Gottardo .On the right side of the photo we may have a close look at the diaphragms .( This picture is from Railfaneurope.net)

Do you think that we used to see on other models like Roco Ram , Marklin VT 11 etc , etc , ...would have been a correct way to reproduce them ?
IMHO : certainly not
Look at the Lima Gottardo : do you find them true ? Nice ? prototypical ?
IMHO : certainly not . I even find them ugly !
Same for the pictures showed on the HUI link Mike C has given : even if the goal was obviously to improve the Lima solution , I find the HUI Modelbau diaphragms really ugly !


If you look at the photo from Lutz' posting, you will see that the HUI solution does actually resemble the original. It was not always rigid at all times, and sometimes looked bunched up as in the photo.
Remember, it was not a rubber connector, as modeled on Maerklin's 3071, but merely a cover for the actual connector that was hidden beneath it.

Getting back to my other question, aside from the dining car, did the other coaches all have painted out washroom windows? Was it the same on all 5 trains, or were there differences between trainsets?

Regards

Mike C

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#96 Posted : 22 January 2008 06:49:36(UTC)
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I didn't know there was a Lemaco model of Gottardo , are you sure?


Actually, there is no Lemaco model of the Gottardo. Lemaco did make a model of the RAm (TEE I) in 1997. A model of the Gottardo was announced last year and will likely be released in 2010-2011 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Gottardo trainsets.

Lemaco does not exist anymore, the new company is called Lematec. Herr Egger sold the company in late 2006.

Companies that have to date made models of the Gottardo are as follows:

Lima (HO AC/DC) TEE and EC versions (149812/149813)
Metropolitan/Pocher/4 Assi (HO DC) TEE (Sold as Metrop model 7200A-F)
Hermann (O)
HUI Modellbau/MTR*: Remotorization*/Brass Shells and redo of Lima model
Hobbytrain (N) TEE and EC versions
Marklin (HO) TEE

Have I missed anybody?

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Mike C
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#97 Posted : 22 January 2008 06:58:53(UTC)
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I did not include Rivarossi or LSM/RailTop in the list as those models have not been released yet.

The Rivarossi model is a reedition of the Lima Set. Most likely, it will have the improved motor and transmission of the last Lima version, as well as a few other improvements, including lighting. If Rivarossi manages to find another solution to the removable panels next to the bogies, this model could be a surprise hit. If it is just a repackaged Lima train, it may not do as well as hoped.

FYI,

here are some photos of the various models:

Metrop:
http://www.messingers.ch...Met_Rae_Tee_6-teilig.JPG

Lima:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eB...exURL=1#ebayphotohosting

Hobbytrain (N)
http://www.suter-meggen....20N/hobbytrain/index.htm

Herrmann (O)
www.dorenbach.ch

HUI
www.huimodellbau.ch

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Mike C
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#98 Posted : 22 January 2008 07:22:32(UTC)
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This photo best shows the whole trainset with windows on some cars whited out and not on the WR.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pi...Historic/RAe1053_rr1.jpg

Regards

Mike C
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#99 Posted : 22 January 2008 12:23:19(UTC)
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Judging upon on what i have seen in some auction sites, this model so far has not been a great success.
I still like it though, maybe i will try to get it later at a much better price.

MRR is a compromise.
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I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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#100 Posted : 22 January 2008 16:57:56(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mike c
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich



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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:This is a picture of the real diaphragms on the real Gottardo .On the right side of the photo we may have a close look at the diaphragms .( This picture is from Railfaneurope.net)

Do you think that we used to see on other models like Roco Ram , Marklin VT 11 etc , etc , ...would have been a correct way to reproduce them ?
IMHO : certainly not
Look at the Lima Gottardo : do you find them true ? Nice ? prototypical ?
IMHO : certainly not . I even find them ugly !
Same for the pictures showed on the HUI link Mike C has given : even if the goal was obviously to improve the Lima solution , I find the HUI Modelbau diaphragms really ugly !


If you look at the photo from Lutz' posting, you will see that the HUI solution does actually resemble the original. It was not always rigid at all times, and sometimes looked bunched up as in the photo.
Remember, it was not a rubber connector, as modeled on Maerklin's 3071, but merely a cover for the actual connector that was hidden beneath it.



I never said "it always must be rigid" .I could get plenty of pictures showing diaphragms , the one I post has been chosen at random .I even didn't post the picture in that purpose . I knew it could show some pleats depending on the position of cars but ,when rolling most of the time the diaphragms show a smooth surface .
And when they have to be slightly folded there are only one or two pleats .
Looking at the HUI solution it looks like an old clothe , a rag all crumpled up and unfortunately unable to show the smooth and rigid aspect that is the most current aspect when Gottardo is rolling . Absolutely not reproducing or approaching the correct behaviour of normal diaphragm .
In addition to these unrealistic behaviour , texture & color of the material are not very typical of the correct texture and correct color.I even find that installation of HUI diaphragm destroys the overall appearance of the whole train .
When we are looking at a real train , diaphragms are far to attract attention first . They are minor parts of the whole consist . It must be the same about the global appearance of a model . IMHO Nice reproductions of diaphragms are those that you forgot to see when looking at a train model , those that are not noticeable at first glance ..
Because of the texture , because of the color , because of uncorrect behaviour I find HUI diaphragms ugly and not prototypical at all , definitely .
( just my liking - a matter of personnal taste only)
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