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Hi
Has anyone got a parts diagram for the RS800. It looks like a 1939 or 40 version but they should be similar.
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Roger
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Originally Posted by: Tiki734  Hi
Has anyone got a parts diagram for the RS800. It looks like a 1939 or 40 version but they should be similar.
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Roger Have a look here, scroll down to TM800, RM800, RSM800 - (Printed 09/54) Hope this helps Steve Wellington |
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Hello Roger, I don't think there are exploded parts diagrams for the RS 800 as the locomotive is too early. I think Marklin only made those for 1950s locomotives. Anyway on my website I have done a gallery of photos that shows pretty well all the parts for the RS 800 and how to disassemble one. The one in the tutorial is a 1945/46 version and yours is a 1947 version, but the parts are nearly the same. http://marklinstop.com/2...-rs-800-complete-review/Here are the differences between a 45/46 loco and a 47 loco like yours: 1) 45 loco doesn't have the red line painting on the roof 2) 47 loco has the thin type pantographs, 45/46 loco has thick 3) 47 loco buffers black, 45/46 buffers silver 4) 47 loco doesn't have nickel plated couplers 5) 47 loco has late post-war motor-shield with three attachment rivets for the brush holders while 45 loco only has two, common of pre-war 800 series locos. Also the model number for your set should be something like RS 827/4 or RS 865/4. I'm leaning more towards the latter, but in the pricelist for this time period and in the US market, I don't see the RS 865/4 listed:  But I know the RS 865/4 existed in 1947/1948 as I have one as a PX-Set in a large brown box in my collection. To show how scarce materials were at the time, the earliest instruction sheet I found in the set (it came with like 5 instruction sheets) was from 1937. This is very common with PX-Sets as almost all of them come with instructions from the 1930s.  Best regards, Paul PS. Should you need any parts to restore this RS 800 or would like some help with the restoration, just let me know. I have all the parts necessary to rebuild a 1947 version RS 800. And luckily the housing on yours can and in my opinion should be salvaged and used. The small chips and cracks can be fixed if you wish to prevent further deterioration and the door railings can be added back on. |
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Once again thanks very much for the detailed reply. I've checked my 1947 catalog and it has the 1949 price list from Charles C. Merzbach 94th Street Elmhurst LINY and only lists 6 sets which include RS 827/4 and sold for $39. This must have been very expensive back then. The price list and catalog are from different dealers but I bought them together. The dealer on the catalog is Model Engine Shop Lionel and American Flyer Service N Elm Street Butler PA. I also got the 1948 supplement to catalog D47. This would have been the only documents issued in 1948. I will certainly need your help on the restoration. I had a good look at the shell and it looked quite good apart from the handrail and 2 sections missing. How do I repair the missing bits. Is it using a metal filler?
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Originally Posted by: Tiki734 Hi Roger, Sorry if I put you wrong with my reply, for some reason I got the RS800 & RSM800 mixed up, of course they are entirely different beasts altogether. Doh!! Apologies for my cock-up  Cheers Steve |
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Originally Posted by: Tiki734 Paul
Once again thanks very much for the detailed reply. I've checked my 1947 catalog and it has the 1949 price list from Charles C. Merzbach 94th Street Elmhurst LINY and only lists 6 sets which include RS 827/4 and sold for $39. This must have been very expensive back then. The price list and catalog are from different dealers but I bought them together. The dealer on the catalog is Model Engine Shop Lionel and American Flyer Service N Elm Street Butler PA. I also got the 1948 supplement to catalog D47. This would have been the only documents issued in 1948. I will certainly need your help on the restoration. I had a good look at the shell and it looked quite good apart from the handrail and 2 sections missing. How do I repair the missing bits. Is it using a metal filler?
Regards
Roger Hello Roger, Yes your evaluation of the set must be correct per the documents. The photo of my 1948 price list (typed out by Mr. Merzbach) was all that I had taken photos of....the rest of the documents are in storage and I'll have to dig them out later to see if our dating is correct. It is best to repair missing metal parts with a steel reinforced epoxy putty. The putty can be molded and then it hardens in place. I've noticed, however, that it doesn't grip well with other metal parts so what I do is form the putty, let it harden, and then secure this new piece into place with either gel epoxy or some kind of super-glue. Then sand it smooth with a hand file. I tend to not paint these areas and just leave them as-is with the bare metal look, but of course the filled-in parts could be painted. Let me know what parts you'll need and I'll be glad to gather them up for you. I seem to remember I have this exact version in a box somewhere because the shell was broken so I was prepared to use it for replacement parts. Best regards, Paul |
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Paul I have had the box lid restored by a local book restorer. It was expensive but my theory is that if I don't do it nobody will. I think he did a fantastic job. I am now looking at the RS 800's that I have and questioning if its worth spending any more money on them. I have attached a few photos of the project so far. I am reluctant to replace any of the fatigued parts with original as they will go the same wayor more than likely break while replacing them. Ritter sells most of the parts but it will cost 100's Euros. What does everyone think. I forgot to mention that there are 2 RS 800's in the photos. One of the bodies has shrunk by about 4mm which makes it impossible to fit onto a frame. the other obviously has suffered the same fate and destroyed the front. I have also been able to decifer the label and confirm that it is a RS 865/4. It may have been a so called PX set as the label reads 1/RS 865/4. I have never seen another starter set with a 1 in front of the number. Roger Tiki734 attached the following image(s):
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Hello Roger, Good to hear from you. This is a great set which I recently added to my collection as well about 2 months ago. It's from 1947 (notice the thin pantograph sliders) and is certainly something that I would call a "PX Set" although it doesn't come with a brown box and it was also sold here in the USA in mail order catalogs like Sear's so it's not strictly a "PX Set." There is another similar one (earlier) that did actually come in a brown PX box and I'm assuming that was just a few months earlier in 1947 when the red ink was still not available to make the red set boxes. You can see some photos of my set here: http://toymetric.com/themetric/shares/11Here also a short review and explanation of the parts in the RS 800: http://marklinstop.com/e...n-rs-800-complete-reviewI'm not sure why Marklin decided to put the "1" in front of "1/RS 865/4" put I've seen it on other sets too from 1947. I think all restorations are worthwhile if they enhance the value of the piece and/or add to your enjoyment of it. The box restoration looks like it went really well. For the loco, I would only send it to RITTER if you find all the original parts yourself and simply have them put it together. Otherwise they are going to use their flimsy parts and chances are they won't put the right version parts together (from what I've seen they aren't very careful with that). I have all the parts needed to build a 1947 RS 800 except the shell I have isn't the right version. Let me know if you need anything or additional info., Best regards, Paul |
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Paul
Thanks for the advice. My experience with buying original parts is that if they are cast then the chances are that they may have not shown any apparent detioriation but its there and it does not take much force to break bits off. For instance the casting for the reversing units are nearly always broken. There was 2 reversing units sild on German Ebay this week for about 60Euros. The only thing that could be a problem is the frame cast. Ritter sells a new one for 17Euros. Why would you potentially waste the money buying a pretty certain dud. Same with the wheels. You might get them off the axel may be successful but getting them back on may cause problems. With your spares what are you looking for. I would say I need a frame, centre wheel support and reversing cast. That would give me a good start then try and pick up a reasonable body.
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Hi Roger, I certainly agree with you about the reversing unit frame...they're almost always broken and the part isn't that significant so replacing it with a replica is not a big issue. However, if you'd like some original wheels I pulled some off of an RS 800 frame and they're good ones....red color paint strong, wheel holes still tight around axle, and almost no signs of warping or zincpest.  Best regards, Paul PS. If your RS 800 shell isn't too warped and just has the missing end section, it'd be fun to try and reconstruct it....I've got another shell that is badly damaged but has this section present....a careful transplant could be possible! |
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Paul
Can you send me a PM on the wheels and what you would like for them. I have got another shell which has shrunk and did think that I could make one good one. The problem with the one I want to fix up is that is it has broken on the window uprights and there is no way that you could get this off the bad one in one piece. I'm not sure how you could actually remove the section. I could only imagine using a mini hacksaw. A small grinding tool would be better. I have to do an exercise to see if it is worth restoring or selling the two as spare parts and pick up one good one.
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