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Offline Rinus  
#1 Posted : 26 May 2012 15:08:20(UTC)
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Hi all,

I'm in doubt whether to go for the Märklin, Roco or Fleischmann versions of the Rollende Landstrasse (Rola) waggons.

I'd preffer FS or ÖBB versions, which are/were sold by Roco and Fleischmann. As far as I know Marklin concentrates on SBB and DB versions.

My fear is that when going for the Roco or Fleischman versions, the wheelsets will give trouble, being prepared for DC track. I contacted Roco but their answer was very vague.


Does anyone has experience with this paticular type? Is there any difference between the Märklin, Roco or Fleischmann versions And are there AC axles to be bought for the Roco and Fleischmann versions?

Help is appreciated!

Regards,

Rinus
Offline petestra  
#2 Posted : 26 May 2012 15:15:28(UTC)
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Hi Rinus, I am so glad I bought the Maerklin 28531 set back in 2000. The BR 184 runs great with the 5
cars 3x DB 1x SBB and 1x OBB and their trucks. My layout is C and M track and I have never had a problem
with derailments with this train. Sometimes I have my 37240 FS E424 pull it as the train originates in
Brennero, Italy. Good luck with your choice, PeterSmile
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Offline mike c  
#3 Posted : 26 May 2012 20:54:15(UTC)
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I have a few OBB ones from Maerklin. The number was 479X (think it was 4797). It came in a set of two cars. I am mainly using the SBB Hupac ones.
I was trying to see if these cars can be combined in consists. It seems to me that you would find only Hupac cars in a Hupac train and similarly DB ones in German operated trains and so on.
Can these cars be found in mixed consists? Maybe on the Kufstein/Brenner route between Munich and Bolzano?

If you are just getting into it now, the new RAlpin set from Maerklin will be out later this year. RAlpin in the new joint venture between Hupac and BLS Cargo that will operate between Germany and Italy via the Loetschberg base tunnel and Simplon. The RAlpin driver coach is available from Liliput and will likely also be available from LSM (old version) and ACME (new version ex Eurofima Bcm?)

Regards

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Offline Rinus  
#4 Posted : 27 May 2012 14:31:34(UTC)
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Hi guys!

Thanks for your replies! and thanks for the email Jeremy!

the consist I had in mind is:

[Marklin 37308 - Rh1012-002] - [Marklin 37309 - Rh1012-003] - [LS Models 47071 - WLABmz] - 8-10 X [Roco/Marklin Rola - Saadkms]

Like you say, Mike, I can't go with the Hupac ones, since I want to express the Brennerline trains. Your sugestion about a DB train though is intresting!

Then I could go for the 47415 set and buy two more.

Can you tell me more about the details of the Marklin items?

Regards,

Rinus
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Offline supermoee  
#5 Posted : 27 May 2012 21:51:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
RAlpin in the new joint venture between Hupac and BLS Cargo that will operate between Germany and Italy via the Loetschberg base tunnel and Simplon. The RAlpin driver coach is available from Liliput and will likely also be available from LSM (old version) and ACME (new version ex Eurofima Bcm?)

Regards

Mike C


Hello Mike,

new?? RAlpin is existing since 2001 and is the joint venture between Hupac, BLS Cargo and SBB Cargo. On a little part FS were involved too, but in a very marginal way.

They are operating mainly between Freiburg and Novara, but have the line Basel - Lugano through the Gotthard route too.

The new coaches are the old Eurofima Bcm61. They got 20 of them.

rgds

Stephan

Offline jvuye  
#6 Posted : 28 May 2012 14:57:32(UTC)
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Hi,
Interesting topic!

Rola is a staple of the traffic on the Gotthard line (my layout's theme) , albeit at a reduced pace these days, as I think most of the traffic is going the Lötschberg route these days.
On my layout I run a prototypical 16 cars + WL , all of SSB/ grey HUPAC cars.
I use an MU of two or three Märklin CARGO RE 482 or BLS RE 485 or BLS 185.5.
And here is a plaidoyer for these *really inexpensive* models from Märklin that are truly ideal for this type of use.
All it takes is programming the same values in the CV.
I use 50 for max speed and 3 for accel/decel. The loks are under ECOS2 control, using the multiple unit feature;
It works so well that I don't hesitate to put the third lok at the back of the train, as a helper (I know it is not a common occurence on a RoLa train, but since it is one of the "delicate" long trains to operate on a layout with spirals, I figured: "if it works with this one, the rest will be easy"
No strain on the couplers, all works smoothly;
And yes, my 32 cars container trains runs the same way, with a pusher lok at the end!

I can sit for hours, just looking at these making their rounds!!Love Wub

Super spectacular trains...whether in models or reality!RollEyes

Cheers

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Offline Rinus  
#7 Posted : 30 May 2012 07:56:08(UTC)
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Any chance of a picture Jacques? 16 cars is very impressive! Razz

Offline jvuye  
#8 Posted : 01 June 2012 22:05:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Any chance of a picture Jacques? 16 cars is very impressive! Razz


Hi Rinus
How about a little video?



Hope you liked it!
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
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Offline Jeremy Palmer  
#9 Posted : 01 June 2012 22:07:43(UTC)
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Thanks Dr. J., Liked it alot I am sorry to sayBigGrin BigGrin ,

Jeremy.
Jeremy.

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2). The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second rat that gets the cheese.
Offline tiono  
#10 Posted : 02 June 2012 01:15:12(UTC)
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From the photographs and videos of the prototype which I had ever seen, seems as there are two distinctive features of the Rola consist:

1. The WL wagon always have the word "HUPAC" (or "RALPIN" on Ralpin consist), silver colored livery. And pulled right behind the locomotive.

2. The last Rola car (end-car) always carry truck, even if the number of trucks were less than the number of Rola cars. The empty Rola cars always sit in the middle, never at the end of the consist. (Except if all cars were empty)

example photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerbenztmsfotos/4395553828/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bb436352_newaccount/6931294395/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Offline jvuye  
#11 Posted : 02 June 2012 06:27:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tiono Go to Quoted Post
From the photographs and videos of the prototype which I had ever seen, seems as there are two distinctive features of the Rola consist:

1. The WL wagon always have the word "HUPAC" (or "RALPIN" on Ralpin consist), silver colored livery. And pulled right behind the locomotive.

2. The last Rola car (end-car) always carry truck, even if the number of trucks were less than the number of Rola cars. The empty Rola cars always sit in the middle, never at the end of the consist. (Except if all cars were empty)


OOOps!BigGrin BigGrin

At least the color of the WL did not influence the good running.RollEyes Wink
In the early days of RolA, the locos were Ae 6/6, and the WL was actually an un-re-painted red ex-DB U type....and the cars were absolutely spotless, like "factory new".

So in fact there is nothing wrong with this model train as it reflects actually that original RoLa situation, except that the locos are the wrong ones Laugh Laugh Laugh Drool

Thank you for keeping me "honest"Crying BigGrin

Cheers
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline tiono  
#12 Posted : 02 June 2012 08:23:18(UTC)
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hi Jacques,

I have never seen a Rola prototype myself, therefore my observation was based on the photographs and videos. And I came to those two conclusions because I have never seen any photographs showing a Rola consist using WL wagon's original livery.
But I believe what you're saying.
during the beginning, probably they were using original's livery while waiting for the repainting schedule.
But the last Rola car always carry truck. I remember somebody else had explained the reason behind this in other train forum.

Offline jvuye  
#13 Posted : 02 June 2012 09:16:03(UTC)
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Hi Tiono
I know you are right about "the last car"...I was just too lazy Blushing to move the truck: the last car was added later to the train!
I have somewhere pictures of early Rolas with Ae 6/6s and a red WL, as soon as I dig them out, I'll bring these here.
Cheers
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline Ian555  
#14 Posted : 02 June 2012 09:46:33(UTC)
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Hi Jacques,

Enjoyed watching the video. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Rinus  
#15 Posted : 02 June 2012 10:28:19(UTC)
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Hi Jacques!

Great video! Whats the lenght of that amazing train? Must be over 3 meters!

Rinus
Offline Marius in Africa  
#16 Posted : 02 June 2012 15:50:11(UTC)
Marius in Africa

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Hi Jacques

Never forget, it does not have to be real, it YOUR OWN imaginary world!!BigGrin It can be what ever you want it to be!

Your video reaffirmed my quest to have my own Rollende Landstrasse. I did consider starting with the 2012 Marklin offering of the RAlphin AG Olten Switzerland (47416). I did ask for opinions on this forum regarding "quality" of the truck / trailer models and got varied responses on this forum. What is your opinion, are they really that "crappie"?

Regards
Marius in Africa

HO, ECoS 2, Märklin C-track, any country, any design, any era & any brand which i like.
Offline Jeremy Palmer  
#17 Posted : 02 June 2012 16:41:06(UTC)
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Fitting in with my "little bit of everything" empire (BUT I am sure well short of "everything") I have 3 Rolling Road sets.

The Marklin Mercedes Actros set M # 26520, the Marklin Fulda set M # 26523 and the Marklin Santa Claus set M # 26528. The Santa Claus set might be the most
realistic as it has a coach. (With Santas in it). I have the Santa set here so took the photo below of the coach. Thanks to the magic of this forum, I know now why
there are 4 Santas in the coach - 4 trucks = 4 Santa Drivers and the coach must be for the truck drivers. I know I know - I am a bit duhhhhhhh but thanks to Rinus,
Jacques and many others I will get there in the end.

Edit.. @ Marius, the model trucks are what they are, however the transfers/decals are very well done.j.
Jeremy Palmer attached the following image(s):
Santas.jpg
Jeremy.

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Offline petestra  
#18 Posted : 02 June 2012 16:47:22(UTC)
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Very nice Christmas coach! And since the truck drivers are in the coach and not on the roads there will
be less traffic driving thru the Alps and therefore more happy faces. PeterLove
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Offline jvuye  
#19 Posted : 02 June 2012 22:47:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Go to Quoted Post
....
I did ask for opinions on this forum regarding "quality" of the truck / trailer models and got varied responses on this forum. What is your opinion, are they really that "crappie"?
...


Hi Marius,
They have been doing their rounds for 6 weeks now on my layout, not a derailment., not a trouble.
Run smoothly.
Don't know what's "crappy" about these??
The Marklin ones are really very good, solid, all metal.
I love them.
Cheers
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline Marius in Africa  
#20 Posted : 03 June 2012 07:42:57(UTC)
Marius in Africa

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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Go to Quoted Post
....
I did ask for opinions on this forum regarding "quality" of the truck / trailer models and got varied responses on this forum. What is your opinion, are they really that "crappie"?
...


Hi Marius,
They have been doing their rounds for 6 weeks now on my layout, not a derailment., not a trouble.
Run smoothly.
Don't know what's "crappy" about these??
The Marklin ones are really very good, solid, all metal.
I love them.
Cheers


Hi Jacques

Thanks for the feedback. I was asking about the "load" on top the railcars (the road trucks), not the rail cars them selves. Are the "load vehicles" of acceptable detail & quality? These are obviously supplied to Marklin by an outside supplier for example Busch or Herpa, etc. Do you know who the Marklin are using as a supplier?

Regards
Marius in Africa

HO, ECoS 2, Märklin C-track, any country, any design, any era & any brand which i like.
Offline jvuye  
#21 Posted : 03 June 2012 10:05:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Go to Quoted Post
. I was asking about the "load" on top the railcars (the road trucks), not the rail cars them selves. Are the "load vehicles" of acceptable detail & quality? These are obviously supplied to Marklin by an outside supplier for example Busch or Herpa, etc. Do you know who the Marklin are using as a supplier?

Regards


Hi Marius!
Oh! that's an easy one!
The only one I got together with the truck is the one with the "Möbel Pfister" truck, which was made by Viking.
All other RoLa cars were bought "unloaded" in sets of two or in singles.
The trucks were purchased separately through the years (mainly Herpa) with some even undergoing superdetailing.
Nothing really fancy though: license plates, rear view mirrors, as available from Herpa.
And I still have room for six more...BigGrin
Cheers

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Offline Rinus  
#22 Posted : 04 June 2012 07:32:50(UTC)
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There is a nice sales action now at Ranier. I might buy these two. Free axle change to AC axles.

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Rinus

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Offline river6109  
#23 Posted : 04 June 2012 11:19:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
There is a nice sales action now at Ranier. I might but those two. Free axle change to AC axles.

UserPostedImage

UserPostedImage

LINK

Rinus


Rinus, do you mean Rainer/Innsbruck/Austria ?

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Offline Rinus  
#24 Posted : 04 June 2012 12:04:43(UTC)
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Yess, thats what I ment. I allways misstype Rainer! Blushing
Offline mike c  
#25 Posted : 04 June 2012 20:17:40(UTC)
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LSM has just announced some new models of the SNCF Modalohr type Rola trains www.lsmodels.com

Regarding the 47416, the set comes with trucks that have more the quality of Hot Wheels than of the better Herpa/AWM/etc models.
The only other issue that I have with the RAlpin set is that the trucks are Swiss and a Germany to Italy ROLA would normally have more German and Italian trucks

Regards

Mike C
Offline Marius in Africa  
#26 Posted : 06 June 2012 18:20:19(UTC)
Marius in Africa

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Hi guys

Placed an order for my first items, Marklin number 4740 & 4741. BigGrin I assume the “rollende strasse” cars have their own road numbers, like the other rolling stock. So ordering more than one unit of each part number e.g. 2 x no. 4741 makes no sense, correct?

Regards
Marius in Africa

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Offline Jeremy Palmer  
#27 Posted : 07 June 2012 21:36:23(UTC)
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Here are the 4 trucks from my Christmas Rolling Road set and the elok.
Jeremy Palmer attached the following image(s):
M H 1.jpg
M H 3.jpg
M H 4.jpg
M H 5.jpg
M H 6.jpg
M H 8.jpg
Jeremy.

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Offline Marius in Africa  
#28 Posted : 08 June 2012 05:40:42(UTC)
Marius in Africa

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Hi Guys

Are the couplings between the intermediate cars as used by Marklin & Roco compatible with each other?

Thanks
Marius
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Offline Rinus  
#29 Posted : 11 June 2012 08:16:54(UTC)
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Hi Marius,

The Marklin short coupler is compatible with the Roco universal and standard coupler. Only the Roco short couplers are not compatible.

Regards,

Rinus
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Offline mike c  
#30 Posted : 11 June 2012 21:48:02(UTC)
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I don't think that the intermediate couplers on Rola cars from Roco, Fleischmann, Maerklin (Trix), LSM and others are compatible with each other. You will have to decide on one manufacturer for the whole consist (other than the Couchette coach).

It may also be important to remember that these "Rola" cars have very small wheels are are very low to the ground and this may cause problems, especially on layouts with older M Track due to contact with the middle rail and on switch tracks.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Marius in Africa  
#31 Posted : 12 June 2012 19:18:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I don't think that the intermediate couplers on Rola cars from Roco, Fleischmann, Maerklin (Trix), LSM and others are compatible with each other. You will have to decide on one manufacturer for the whole consist (other than the Couchette coach).

It may also be important to remember that these "Rola" cars have very small wheels are are very low to the ground and this may cause problems, especially on layouts with older M Track due to contact with the middle rail and on switch tracks.

Regards

Mike C


Thank you for your response Mike. I have also asked Andreas at Lokshop to check whether the Roco and Marklin intermediate couplings are compatible. For now i have only ordered Marklin "Rola" cars and have decided to stick to the DB cars. If i get a positive answer from Andreas i will order two Roco intermediate cars from Lokshop as well. If not it will take a while longer to collect a decent size consist. This is not a "one day" hobby after all.

Regards
Marius
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