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Originally Posted by: mmervine  Originally Posted by: foumaro I got the second unit,37613 Southern Pacific.A great model too,have better sounds than the Union Pacific.The colors
are great.I am looking now fot the third one,Rio Grande 37612.If anyone of you find these models got them if you can
we are talking about great machines. A 37612 set was just posted on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/...372bef74b#ht_1696wt_1185 It is better for me to find the models in Europe.I will pay a lot for shipping from USA.
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Got mine 37611 a three or four years ago, never use to be into American locos . But when it arrived i could stop playing with it  . Now i need a 49611. And i see one on Ebay  |
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Originally Posted by: pyxa69 Got mine 37611 a three or four years ago, never use to be into American locos . But when it arrived i could stop playing with it . Now i need a 49611. And i see one on Ebay Got it.Two are better than one.  
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I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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Thank you John,Alco's are the best models marklin made for my opinion.I will try to find the Santa Fe too.I am thinking about the New York Central
because is a sinlgle unit.I prefer the double units,they are perfect.
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Originally Posted by: foumaro
Alco's are the best models M made for my opinion.
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I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
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I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
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Thank you very much John.You can see all of them in the D&RGW-AT&SF-UP-SP-WP etc topic.
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Originally Posted by: pyxa69 Perfect,go for the rest now.
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I can decide which is the most beutifull.Perfect my friend.
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Hi,
I am planing to upgrade the decoder for my two PA 1 Alco, Santa Fe and UP. I have been even thinking to make an independent the two dummy units. I know some of you have made this. My plan is to buy the ESU 21 pin PCB with amplified Aux 3 and 4 (the led functions) and 21 pin ESU Loksound and lokpilot decoders.
My only concern will be the led lights, I don´t know if they already come with a resistor or if the resistor is in the old decoder that I will replace. Does any of you know if I also need to buy resistors for the Leds?
Regards,
Eduardo
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Maybe John Black can help you.He has his Alcos seperated.He have the answer to your question.I will never do this with mine.
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Originally Posted by: eduard71
PA-1 ... I have been even thinking to make an independent the two dummy units. I know some of you have made this.
Right, Eduardo - all of my (formerly A-A coupled) F7s and PA-1s become solo units right at purchase. Did so cos I hate A-A's givin' me permanent trouble in my turnout alleys. Thus do prefer 'em A-B or A-B-B configs. Also for the more prototypical look of it. Installation done always by my trusty old dealer for a small fee. All he needs is OEM-decoder, -speaker and -pickup shoe (acc to my personal order). But you surely can use alien decos. Hope this helps, John |
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This thread is dormant for two years? Time for an unpublished photo of my ATSF double unit. Edited by user 26 October 2014 22:48:53(UTC)
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With a new double unit from Marklin maybe the thread became more alive.
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Or a model of this other missing unit. What was the name again? Ah yes, the booster sometimes complementing a cab unit: the B-unit. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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I hope this is not the end of the story. ;-) Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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I come close have a Brawa 0895 DL 109 Sante Fe . Oliver nagel attached the following image(s):
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Regarding complementing ATSF Alco PA-1 units, a workaround might be using a HO scale Athearn Santa Fe War Bonnet PB-1 unit. The latter came powered and unpowered. Both happen to be on sale on ebay: http://www.ebay.de/itm/2...e&fromMakeTrack=trueFor the NYC Alco PA-1, there was a Athearn PB-1 unit. A dummy version is on sale on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/...eName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITI just ordered one as an add-on to the NYC Alco PA-1 I just bought before. :-) Edited by user 30 October 2014 22:29:50(UTC)
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They are interesting items and have fair prices.Are they running on marklin tracks?
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Once I have the NYC thingy in my hands, I will let you know. If Customs were merciful, this could happen some time in November. |
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Another one for the insatiable PB enthusiast - see pic. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Is it prototypical to operate the NYC Alco PA prototype as single unit? Seems so - see pic. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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M* announced the 29570/29571/29575/29576 loco with the NYC road number 4210 as Alco PA-1. Here is the related NYC diesel rooster: NYC road no. Maker & Model
4200-4207 Alco PA-1 4208-4214 Alco PA-2 Thus, the prototype with the road number 4210 is actually an Alco PA-2. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek M* announced the 29570/29571/29575/29576 loco with the NYC road number 4210 as Alco PA-1.
Here is the related NYC diesel rooster:
NYC road no. Maker & Model
4200-4207 Alco PA-1
4208-4214 Alco PA-2
Thus, the prototype with the road number 4210 is actually an Alco PA-2. So ..... for the uninitiated, apart from an incremented number, what is the difference. 
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek
Thus, the prototype with the road number 4210 is actually an Alco PA-2.
I also can't find any evidence of an NYC Alco PA-1 in freight service. Some of the railroads with PA-1s re-geared them for freight later in life (notably ATSF), but yet undetermined for NYC. They do appear to have had a good number of FA/FB units. However, I give you 4201 in A-B configuration for passenger service. -Brandon BrandonVA attached the following image(s): |
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Ah, very good. I could "only" find an artistic version of 4201 supported by a PB pulling a passenger train - see attached scan of a postcard depicting a Howard Fogg painting. This scene with lightweight streamliner coaches could be reproduced... I bought the two units from different continents. While the B unit was shipped earlier this week, I just learned that the A unit found today its way to the post office. Let´s see which unit is winning the race. Regarding the M* promoted PA freight service, my research led to a similar result: not at the NYC (It seems that the FA and the PA are often confused). The situation was different with other railroads though: - UP converted PA´s in 1958 for freight use; - NH: multiple 1950s photos show a PA leading one or more different loco types pulling freight; - EL had an PA-PA double headed consists hauling freight in 1968; - ATSF PA´s were seen pulling fruit express trains in Southern California after the mail contract was lost in the late 1960s. Edited by user 01 November 2014 00:52:24(UTC)
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Hello, I always have problems with Athearn RP25 wheel on M- and C-turnouts. K track works much better. Check DR. Eisenbahn's postings, he replaces the wheels as everyday job. Does the Athearn PB body fit on Marklin PA frame? Keep us posted, Juha Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Once I have the NYC thingy in my hands, I will let you know. If Customs were merciful, this could happen some time in November. Edited by user 01 November 2014 08:38:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan So ..... for the uninitiated, apart from an incremented number, what is the difference. Two models were offered: PA-1/PB-1 = 2,000 hp (1,500 kW) PA-2/PB-2 = 2,250 hp (1,680 kW) Unlike the PA-2, the PA-1 had an "eyebrow" trim piece on the grille behind the cab and a porthole window behind the radiator shutters. Later PA-2/PB-2 versions featured a water-cooled turbocharger and other engine compartment changes. |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan So ..... for the uninitiated, apart from an incremented number, what is the difference. Two models were offered: PA-1/PB-1 = 2,000 hp (1,500 kW) PA-2/PB-2 = 2,250 hp (1,680 kW) Unlike the PA-2, the PA-1 had an "eyebrow" trim piece on the grille behind the cab and a porthole window behind the radiator shutters. Later PA-2/PB-2 versions featured a water-cooled turbocharger and other engine compartment changes. Thanks for the clarification. looking at the pictures above the camera angle (or artists angle) makes it hard to pick the details.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Thanks for the clarification.
looking at the pictures above the camera angle (or artists angle) makes it hard to pick the details. Yes, true, and for me actually irrelevant. I just happened to notice. And since nobody wants to play Trivial Pursuit with me any more, I focus on other forms to express myself. |
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In case it does not work out with the Athearn Alco PB unit, here is prototypical excuse to run a passenger train with a single PA unit - see pic. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Is it prototypical to operate the NYC Alco PA prototype as single unit? Seems so - see pic. Aww gee, I always wondered about that. Somehow with something else I bought I have a Marklin handbook for one of these from a starter set I think. I have been tempted over the years by cheap prices for the Lok only, but since I don't officially model USA (Big Boy and five Frieght Car Sets and UP Caboose excepted  ) I wasn't tempted as I considered the Lok on it's own not prototypical so always passed on them, and in any case, it was a friend's Lionel Santa Fe F7 and Streamliner Set ( at age 7 or 8 IIRC, he was American, his dad worked for Mobil Oil in Wellington ) that got me interested in MRR. The other issue for me has always been I don't buy Loks without a box  I am tempted by the Super Chief Set, but too much DB stuff I'd rather afford right now  So interesting to see this Ak  While we're here, may I ask, what has happened to John Black ?? |
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Here comes more encouragement for single NYC Alco PA employment - see attached postcard scans replicating Howard Fogg paintings. "Extrapolating" the frog perspective second one, I take it that the bird perspective first one is also showing a single unit pulling the train. Unfortunately no news regarding John Black. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek In case it does not work out with the Athearn Alco PB unit, here is prototypical excuse to run a passenger train with a single PA unit - see pic. I could be wrong, but those look like heavyweight coaches....that PA has it's work cut out for it! What's more fun that modeling the prototype? Finding the prototype of justify the model :) Now where does NYC exchange with ATSF? Perhaps the same terminal where B&O exchanges with D&RGW? :) MTH has offered some FA-1/FB-1 units in their Marklin compatable 3e+ line, but I believe all the MTH FA require R2 or wider curves. -Brandon |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA I could be wrong, but those look like heavyweight coaches....that PA has it's work cut out for it! Well, on the NYC water level route(s) they had to work less hard than railroads that had to climb mountain passes. ;-) Originally Posted by: BrandonVA What's more fun that modeling the prototype? Finding the prototype of justify the model :) Now where does NYC exchange with ATSF? Perhaps the same terminal where B&O exchanges with D&RGW? :) New York Central and Santa Fe rubbing noses? Yes, it happened in Chicago. NYC served LaSalle Street Station until 1968 (NYC/Penn Central used Union Station 1968-1971). ATSF served Dearborn Station until 1971. There used to be a NYC-ATSF route by exchange of sleepers. The NYC side was handled by the "20th Century" or the "Commodore Vanderbilt," the ATSF side by the "Chief" or the "Super Chief". The connections required odd movements between terminals. There is a 18/06/1967 photo by Ted Ellis taken from the Roosevelt Road Overpass at Dearborn Station showing two NYC E-units pulling a passenger train: http://www.railpictures..../viewphoto.php?id=402117:-) Originally Posted by: BrandonVA MTH has offered some FA-1/FB-1 units in their Marklin compatable 3e+ line, but I believe all the MTH FA require R2 or wider curves. Operates on 18" radius curves. SWMBO will be pleased to learn about this. ;-) |
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Here is the last single NYC PA image I have in my sleeve. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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I have been debating whether to post this video or not since it is a slight technical deviation from this thread's topic. But I decided I would post it anyways. Here goes ... Robert
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Originally Posted by: Brakeman Hello,
I always have problems with Athearn RP25 wheel on M- and C-turnouts. K track works much better. Check DR. Eisenbahn's postings, he replaces the wheels as everyday job.
Does the Athearn PB body fit on Marklin PA frame?
Keep us posted,
Juha
The B unit arrived. I still need to insert the bulleye glass panes which came in the box. Good news: it runs on R1 radius. Bad news: it tends to derails on C rail turnouts. Thus, I have to consult the local M* dealer of my trust who has a selection of exchange wheels. The PB model has the same height as the M* PA, but it is shorter (due to the lack of the "snout", and the PB trucks are a little bit more apart than the M* PA ones - see pix. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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