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Folks The discussion about original versus copy boxes in this thread https://www.marklin-user...-question-lner-r700.aspxGot me thinking ... I have a number of station buildings and early metal preisers that are in need of new boxes. They would have originally been in boxes of a similar style to the boxes in the above topic (plain cardboard with labels at the end to show item number) Does anyone know what sort of stapler/fastner is used to get the "corner" (staple is a copper right angle type) staple? And is this type of stapler/fastner available for purchase? Cheers Sprogger
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Originally Posted by: sprogger  Folks The discussion about original versus copy boxes in this thread https://www.marklin-user...-question-lner-r700.aspxGot me thinking ... I have a number of station buildings and early metal preisers that are in need of new boxes. They would have originally been in boxes of a similar style to the boxes in the above topic (plain cardboard with labels at the end to show item number) Does anyone know what sort of stapler/fastner is used to get the "corner" (staple is a copper right angle type) staple? And is this type of stapler/fastner available for purchase? Cheers Sprogger Hi Sprogger, I wondered that very same question earlier this year when attempting to make a replica box. I did lots of searching and never found any reference to a 'corner stapler'. In the end I decided that even if I could find such a thing, it would probably be so specialised that it would cost a small fortune and I figured I could just as easily use a normal staple and just bend it myself. I'm not sure why Marklin even did it like that when it would have been just as easy to leave a small flap of card on the box to glue or paste the corners If you do find anything,  be sure to share |
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Chris,
Maybe of some help...1954 corner stapled box.
Ian.
I think what Chris is asking is how it's done, and is there a stapler that can do it? Cheers Cookee |
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Hi Steve, Sorry, I'm off down the wrong track, thought Chris was asking what it looked like. You never know, the photo might help.  Ian.
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Steve Thanks .. I tried using the "manual" method but was not very successful .. I imagine in the good old days that the staples were seen as a more permanent solution to glue .. Will keep hunting Ian Thanks for that .. I am trying to reproduce about 10 of the prewar boxes (without red lids) mostly for large items such as tin plate stations.. I see you have shown one for the army of DA800's that you have ... I would imagine you have a box in every style produced for that large troop.. Cheers Sprogger
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Hi yall, I have a bunch of these prewar boxes, from HO loco and tower mast boxes to 1930 O scale track boxes ... They are a pain in the butt as the rusty corner staples tend to rip away at the corners of the cardboard flaps, which without a return fold are very very fragile ! And then ... I bought what I thought was a prewar model of a 7028 roundhouse, and low and behold .. it has straight staples ! Now, maybe its later than prewar, and maybe the box isn't original (I still have to check), but it is the first time I've ever seen straight staples on a Märklin box ! Have a look ... Yum  Yumgui attached the following image(s): |
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Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,998 Location: Paremata, Wellington
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Hi yall, I have a bunch of these prewar boxes, from HO loco and tower mast boxes to 1930 O scale track boxes ... They are a pain in the butt as the rusty corner staples tend to rip away at the corners of the cardboard flaps, which without a return fold are very very fragile ! And then ... I bought what I thought was a prewar model of a 7028 roundhouse, and low and behold .. it has straight staples ! Now, maybe its later than prewar, and maybe the box isn't original (I still have to check), but it is the first time I've ever seen straight staples on a Märklin box ! Have a look ... Yum Hi Yum, I suggest your box is original, there are other ones with straight staples, see attached image for the box for my Steam Engine, I know this box is original, and others with large items like the roundhouse will probably confirm theirs are straight also. Much more robust for the bigger and heavier items. Cheers Steve cookee_nz attached the following image(s): |
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What I'd really like is a way to restore the 'rigidity or stiffening to old tired saggy cardboard boxes.
Sort of like starching a shirt collar but without damaging the card. That would be really cool.
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Interesting discussion of Marklin staples. What I do is take large staples (like those used for a staple gun) bend them flat with a press, spray paint them black, bent them to shape with a form and then manually punch them in and push around the edges to secure the staple (like Marklin did --- or the company that produced boxes for Marklin). Perhaps in a future topic I will show how to repair Marklin boxes (and all cardboard) using a modified starch paste which can re-thatch the fibers of paper and cardboard. It is completely reversible because starch is water soluble, but is strong enough to repair areas where the staple has ripped right through the cardstock. Here is a 700 series box I produced one time out of an old shoe box; easily differentiated from an original, but displays well.  Best regards, Paul |
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Nice job Paul  |
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The machine used by Marklin (or Marklin's box supplier) in those days might have been something like this: http://www.speckboetel.de/gem.htmlProbably not normally in household use... 
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Ah, thanks cookee ^^ (late) And very interesting Unholz Yum |
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Stefan
That looks like the machine ... unfortunatley I agree .. not something you find around the house ..
Looks like I am going to have to keep trying the "Paul" method until I get the knack like he has ..
Yum .. I can also confirm that Marklin used straight staples .. I have an O guage station in a box stapled like that ..
Cheers Team
Sprogger
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