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hennabm		#1 Posted : 29 April 2011 14:08:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		Hi all I have managed to finally purchase a 7051 from ebay.de. It arrived on Wednesday and after some sorting of plugs and a reference to Chris Vella's post on what wires go where, I was able to get the thing to work fully. However I am now trying to date it and not having much luck. I cannot find any date on the box at all. The box itself is yellow in colour. Maybe some one will be able to tell me from that how old it might be. According to Koll the crane can be anything from 1956 - 1978. I was hoping to narrow it a bit further than that. Oh on ebay at the same time as mine was one with a grabber. I can't seem to see any mention of one of those at all. It went for around £160 Can anyone tell me more about that one as well please.
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igf2		#2 Posted : 29 April 2011 15:46:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 268 Location: France		Hello If the box is yellow, I guess you probably bought a crane issued in the 60's.
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dntower85		#3 Posted : 29 April 2011 19:27:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		The fabric covered wires for the magnet would suggest 50's to early 60's, I don't know exactly when they changed to plastic coated wires. Nice find
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hennabm		#4 Posted : 29 April 2011 20:52:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		DT thanks - so with the fabric wires and the yellow box it is looking like an early 60s. Unless anyone knows different..............
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DaleSchultz		#5 Posted : 29 April 2011 23:07:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		you can also find a print run number on the box (look inside the flap) and that will tell you the year it was printed see http://marklinguide.serv...351c7074852567ab0008b898
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Bigdaddynz		#6 Posted : 29 April 2011 23:42:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		I think the grabber is an after market product, not produced by Marklin, which works with the 7051. I don't have one, but wouldn't mind getting one or two some time - I have 2 7051 cranes. They come up on ebay from time to time.
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hennabm		#7 Posted : 30 April 2011 00:05:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		Hi Dale Thanks for the link - I did know about the number on the flap. However the inner flaps on this box appear well stuck down and I don't want to ruin the box by forcing them up to look for a date. Bigdaddy - that would be why I couldn't find any reference in M catalogs then.
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GG1 Fan		#8 Posted : 30 April 2011 04:48:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 725 Location: Stamford, CT USA		The one I have looks exactly like the one pictured here. It is from the 1960's. When I first saw the crane in action I really went wild. Very early childhood memory for me. I spent hours loading all sorts of metal screws, nails, and steel washers into my Marklin gondola cars. Hours of fun. Damn, Marklin makes great stuff that is classic forever.
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Ian555		#9 Posted : 30 April 2011 07:53:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,288 Location: Scotland		Hi Mike, Great looking crane. Ian.
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hennabm		#10 Posted : 30 April 2011 09:35:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		Ian - thanks, it's nice to finally get one. GG1 - I have always wanted one from the time I was handed down the 1958 and 1959 catalogs for M. Unfortunately we could not afford one and so I have now fulfilled another childhood dream. I can see various metallic loads now been set up for loading and unloading
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Ian555		#11 Posted : 30 April 2011 10:30:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,288 Location: Scotland		Hi Mike, I should have said, that crane is still on my "wish list." Hopefully, get to see it in action one day. Ian.
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Yumgui		#12 Posted : 30 April 2011 21:37:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		hennabm, I recognize this crane, same color, same fabric wires, same magnet, same yellow box ... have had it for 45 years. On the inner narrow flap of the upper part of the box (it's not glued, just carefully lift the flap away from the reinforced cardboard top ...) it is marked : 69 751 TM 05 66 sw ... means the date is : May 1966 Nifty eBay guide here on dating Märklin Trains : Dating Marklin Trains Hope it helps, Yum
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hennabm		#13 Posted : 30 April 2011 22:02:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		Yum thank you for the guidance - I have done as suggested and find the following - 69 751 TA 0963 nl So it appears the box and (hopefully) the crane come from Sept 63. Thank you again
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Yumgui		#14 Posted : 30 April 2011 22:15:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Yep, looks like it ... Cool
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Bigdaddynz		#15 Posted : 01 May 2011 00:09:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		Thanks Yum, that prompted me to check the lid of my 2 cranes. The first crane - 69 751 TA 0862 nl - August 1962. The second crane - 69 751 M 274 sw - February 1974.
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Yumgui		#16 Posted : 01 May 2011 20:41:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Bigdaddynz, After 45 years, this machine still runs like a nose Yum
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steventrain		#17 Posted : 01 May 2011 21:21:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,685 Location: United Kingdom		Very good, Hennabm. £160 was a very expensive.
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steventrain		#18 Posted : 01 May 2011 21:23:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,685 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Thanks Yum, that prompted me to check the lid of my 2 cranes. The first crane - 69 751 TA 0862 nl - August 1962. The second crane - 69 751 M 274 sw - February 1974. I think the country code was nl - Nederlanders and sw - Sweden..
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Yumgui		#19 Posted : 01 May 2011 21:33:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		steventrain, According to this site : http://marklinguide.servehttp.com/marklinguide.nsf/1/351ba17b351c7074852567ab0008b898 ... seems the last two letters are related to printing companies, not countries ... quote: " " The last two characters seem to indicate the name of the printing company. Here are the names that I have so far: au - Aumüller Druck KG in Regensburg br - Bruckmann KG, Munich dk - Druckkommunikation, München fi - J Fink, Ostfildern fd - Fischer-Druck, Aichelberg ho - Hoffmann Druck, Nürnberg kl - Druckerei Ernst Klett, Stuttgart kr - Körner Rotationsdruck, Sindelfingen oe - Oehler Offset, Fellbach ru - Rung Druck, Göppingen (Company apparently went bankrupt in 2010) Sc - Schatt, Stuttgart sr - Schnitzer Druck GmbH, Korb st - Stürtz AG, Würzburg th - Thiemig AG, Munich wd - Westermann Druck, Braunschweig wf - Wenschow Franzis-Druck, München ... So be it, but I would also like to know what "nl" and "sw" mean though ... Yum PS: will update this post with any/all new info gathered, stay tuned ... Edited by user 03 May 2011 22:40:49(UTC)  | Reason: PS update ...
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steventrain		#20 Posted : 01 May 2011 21:37:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,685 Location: United Kingdom		Excellent, Thanks for the information, Yum.
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hennabm		#21 Posted : 02 May 2011 10:26:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		Originally Posted by: steventrain Very good, Hennabm. £160 was a very expensive. Yes it was and just because it had a grabber with it. hence the reason I went and found mine on ebay.de at a lot less than that.
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Renato		#22 Posted : 02 May 2011 19:33:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Gorizia, Italy		Originally Posted by: hennabm Ian - thanks, it's nice to finally get one. GG1 - I have always wanted one from the time I was handed down the 1958 and 1959 catalogs for M. Unfortunately we could not afford one and so I have now fulfilled another childhood dream. I can see various metallic loads now been set up for loading and unloading Hi, The same, identical story for me, but I was looking at the 60's catalogs (some years later...). Bye Renato
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dan67millie		#23 Posted : 15 May 2011 23:14:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 202 Location: England Northamptonshire		Originally Posted by: hennabm Originally Posted by: steventrain Very good, Hennabm. £160 was a very expensive. Yes it was and just because it had a grabber with it. hence the reason I went and found mine on ebay.de at a lot less than that. Hi have you got any pictures of the grabber!
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hennabm		#24 Posted : 15 May 2011 23:42:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		Dan I've just checked my ebay and I have deleted it from my watched list. Sorry. Maybe someone else may have a picture of one.
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Yumgui		#25 Posted : 31 May 2011 07:44:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		@ dan67millie, Last grabber I saw sold for almost €60 !!! http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150608189860&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT Haven't found the part number, anyone know ? Yum Yumgui attached the following image(s):
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Bigdaddynz		#26 Posted : 31 May 2011 11:32:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Yumgui Haven't found the part number, anyone know ? No, as stated before this isn't a Marklin item, it is made by a third party (see post #6).
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Yumgui		#27 Posted : 31 May 2011 19:22:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Bigdaddynz, ... didn't say Marklin, but still interested in who makes it, part N° etc .. And would you pay €60 for one ???
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hennabm		#28 Posted : 31 May 2011 19:35:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		One on ebay.de has just sold- £56 - these are a little gold mine if you had one for sale. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws...ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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Yumgui		#29 Posted : 31 May 2011 19:37:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		hennabm, Wow, ok .. so that's normal eh ... hmmm Found this name : "WIAD Grabber" http://cgi.ebay.fr/MARKLIN-7051-CRANE-JOYSTICK-WIAD-GRABBER-BOX-/110693378609?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item19c5d6ea31 Is "WIAD" a brand name, or a Dutch term ... or ??? Yum
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hennabm		#30 Posted : 31 May 2011 20:46:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		Yum as both have the WIAD in the title one suspects it may well be a makers name (unless someone knows different). Google gives no clues to what or who Wiad is. I have seen the dutch one advertised before with a joy stick. I'm sure the joystick is none M* as well as the grabber.
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Yumgui		#31 Posted : 31 May 2011 20:59:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Thx hennabm ! So, to be continued ... ^^ Yum
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Bigdaddynz		#32 Posted : 31 May 2011 22:55:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Yumgui And would you pay €60 for one ??? I have seen them come up on Trademe (www.trademe.co.nz) from time to time, but I can't remember how much.
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hgk		#33 Posted : 01 June 2011 08:16:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 455 Location: Pacific Ocean		Originally Posted by: Yumgui hennabm, Wow, ok .. so that's normal eh ... hmmm Found this name : "WIAD Grabber" http://cgi.ebay.fr/MARKLIN-7051-CRANE-JOYSTICK-WIAD-GRABBER-BOX-/110693378609?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item19c5d6ea31 Is "WIAD" a brand name, or a Dutch term ... or ??? Yum Here's something from WIAD: Best Regards, -George ps. photo reference= http://www.vectis.co.uk/...Section=610&Start=80
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frankie		#34 Posted : 01 June 2011 12:43:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 692 Location: Italy		Originally Posted by: hennabm DT thanks - so with the fabric wires and the yellow box it is looking like an early 60s. Unless anyone knows different.............. I received mine in 1974 more or less, yellow box fabric covered wires.
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frankie		#35 Posted : 01 June 2011 12:52:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 692 Location: Italy		Originally Posted by: Yumgui @ dan67millie, Last grabber I saw sold for almost €60 !!! http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150608189860&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT Haven't found the part number, anyone know ? Yum I bought the grabber back around in 1990, was made by a scenery company that doesn't exist anymore called Fisher.
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hennabm		#36 Posted : 01 June 2011 17:55:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		Thanks hgk looks like you have located one source of supplier for the grabber. It does appear to be a Dutch firm. Frankie - does your look the same as the Wiad one or is it different somehow?
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Yumgui		#37 Posted : 01 June 2011 18:57:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Yep, thanks for info hgk
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Christoffer		#38 Posted : 01 June 2011 19:11:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 760		i see you talk about grabbers : Roco Grabber Roco makes grabbers for cranes, and i don't see why it shouldn't work with the märklin crane :)
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Yumgui		#39 Posted : 01 June 2011 19:30:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Hey Christoffer, Thx for info Other link, says "HO/DC" ... : Model #46807 - Roco Backhoe Bucket for Digital Gantry http://www.roco.com/products/Roco/46807.aspx How can you be sure its compatible #7051 ... Yum Edited by user 01 June 2011 23:27:56(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Yumgui		#40 Posted : 05 June 2011 21:06:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Very cool : Yum
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hennabm		#41 Posted : 05 June 2011 23:34:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		Yum very good. Is it yours although I suspect not as there is C track and not M track used.
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Yumgui		#42 Posted : 05 June 2011 23:41:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Not mine hennabm ... Though it is a favorite video on my YouTube chan ... I will do everything necessary to build something similar .. such a great idea ! Yum
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Yumgui		#43 Posted : 12 June 2011 22:38:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Here's a Wiad Crane in action ... not a great video, but shows it works: Yum
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steventrain		#44 Posted : 13 June 2011 21:45:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,685 Location: United Kingdom		Excellent video, Yum.
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GG1 Fan		#45 Posted : 14 June 2011 05:55:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 725 Location: Stamford, CT USA		Yum... Fantastic set up. I almost fell off my chair laughing when the crain started to move down the line. My crane never did that. When can I book a flight to France and play with your crane setup? Regards, Paul
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Yumgui		#46 Posted : 14 June 2011 07:53:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Paul, Like I wrote above, this isn't my crane ... but if you look at the footer of that video, you will see that I am after the author to get more info on how he did it. I fully intend to build something similar one day ! Yum
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Bigdaddynz		#47 Posted : 14 June 2011 08:43:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		You could probably use the grabber off the Marklin 76510 coaling station. One of the Marklin traders in NZ has one for sale on Trademe http://www.trademe.co.nz...cs/auction-382860759.htm
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Yumgui		#48 Posted : 14 June 2011 21:04:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Thanks Bigdaddynz, Looks like it's sold already .. damn fast ;P Anyway, nice to have a Märklin part N° ! Yum
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Bigdaddynz		#49 Posted : 14 June 2011 23:16:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		That was quick, it wasn't sold when I posted it. I know the seller, so could ask him whether he has any more.
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Yumgui		#50 Posted : 14 June 2011 23:29:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		OK, lemme know plz ... Still steep at $59.00 ... but always nice to know what's selling for what price ;) Yum
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