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H0		#51 Posted : 30 January 2010 14:37:55(UTC) Retweet
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TomB		#52 Posted : 30 January 2010 17:34:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		I would like to know what you think of these screenshots: The ECoS 2 was very quick to change screens .. ! https://www.esu.eu/forum/forenuebersicht/attachments/anhang294
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DRG		#53 Posted : 30 January 2010 21:30:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: Schweinfurt,Germany		Hi, the ECoS 2 keyboard makes a good impression on me. Especially the signals. They look realistic. I find the looking of the ECoS keyboard better than that of the CS2. Best regard DRG
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steventrain		#54 Posted : 30 January 2010 23:57:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Welcome to the forum, DRG.
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Goofy		#55 Posted : 31 January 2010 11:29:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		TomB wrote: I would like to know what you think of these screenshots: The ECoS 2 was very quick to change screens .. ! https://www.esu.eu/forum/forenuebersicht/attachments/anhang294 Why are then in case somebody writing,that Ecos 50200 should been in slow acting...???
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Goofy		#56 Posted : 31 January 2010 11:33:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		DRG wrote: Hi, the ECoS 2 keyboard makes a good impression on me. Especially the signals. They look realistic. I find the looking of the ECoS keyboard better than that of the CS2. Best regard DRG Nice and cool! I´m not member of ESU forum,so i can´t see results! Hopefully to see testresults at Youtube... Welcome to the forum,DRG!
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DRG		#57 Posted : 31 January 2010 12:12:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: Schweinfurt,Germany		Many thanks to those who welcome me to the forum!!! Best regards DRG
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Bigdaddynz		#58 Posted : 31 January 2010 12:28:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Goofy wrote: Nice and cool! I´m not member of ESU forum,so i can´t see results! Hopefully to see testresults at Youtube... Welcome to the forum,DRG! I can't see the ESU forum stuff either....... Yes, welcome to the forum, DRG.
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Bigdaddynz		#59 Posted : 31 January 2010 12:33:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Goofy wrote: Why are then in case somebody writing,that Ecos 50200 should been in slow acting...??? That was only Stephan's opinion, based on his reading of the ESU website. Better to wait until someone (Tom?) has their hands on a real unit and can provide us with a report based on real world experience.
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Bigdaddynz		#60 Posted : 31 January 2010 12:58:10(UTC) Retweet
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dntower85		#61 Posted : 01 February 2010 16:43:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		TomB wrote: I would like to know what you think of these screenshots: The ECoS 2 was very quick to change screens .. ! https://www.esu.eu/forum/forenuebersicht/attachments/anhang294 Tom I am a member of the ESU forum but can not see the link, what section was it in?
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TomB		#62 Posted : 01 February 2010 20:10:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		dntower85 wrote: Tom I am a member of the ESU forum but can not see the link, what section was it in? Look here: Link dirk71 has got ECOS-2-screens.pdf
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jeehring		#63 Posted : 01 February 2010 20:17:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Goofy wrote: Nice and cool! I´m not member of ESU forum,so i can´t see results! Hopefully to see testresults at Youtube... Welcome to the forum,DRG! Don't worry , the best way to "see" is to test it directly....( not through video commercials ).
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Davy		#64 Posted : 02 February 2010 00:54:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		In germany the ecos2 is out. With problems with the touchscreen. ".... nach dem booten geht der Touchscreen nicht Ich also das Teil unter den Arm und zurück zu meinem Dealer. Der packt die nächste ECOS 2 aus, gleiches Problem. Er ruft bei ESU an, und die wissen Rat: Auf Seite 36 der Anleitung steht wie man den Touchscreen kalibriert! Nach der Kalibrierung läuft alles bestens".
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supermoee		#65 Posted : 02 February 2010 10:39:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		hello, take a look on this state of the art display : the high definition loc pictures are amazing as I see the display has still poor quality as I saw on prototype. Clear, to simplify software development for old and new "old" EcoS they have to maintain the dot matrix display similar to b/w version of old EcoS, only in color. Dot matrix displays are anyway an obsolete tecnology. rgds Stephan
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dntower85		#66 Posted : 02 February 2010 17:28:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Davy wrote: In germany the ecos2 is out. With problems with the touchscreen. ".... nach dem booten geht der Touchscreen nicht Ich also das Teil unter den Arm und zurück zu meinem Dealer. Der packt die nächste ECOS 2 aus, gleiches Problem. Er ruft bei ESU an, und die wissen Rat: Auf Seite 36 der Anleitung steht wie man den Touchscreen kalibriert! Nach der Kalibrierung läuft alles bestens". its a shame the factory did not calibrate the touch screen or is this something you have to do every time you boot up? But sounds like an easy fix
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TomB		#67 Posted : 02 February 2010 19:06:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		TomB wrote: I have ordered my ECoS 2, but when will it be sent ?? It should be around 1. of March. My ECoS 2 is ready for delivery from Hamburg- Already
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Marius in Africa		#68 Posted : 02 February 2010 19:28:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		TomB wrote: My ECoS 2 is ready for delivery from Hamburg- Already I suspect that ESU has underplayed the amount of units which they have supplied to the dealers. My unit was shipped today (and still at the old price). I think all the people that did pre-ordered will be receiving their units within the next week or two. Enjoy your new addition to your layout.
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David Dewar		#69 Posted : 02 February 2010 21:22:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,451 Location: Scotland		Hi Stephan. Compared to the CS2 the ECOs looks pretty poor. Could be that the pic does not look that great on the forum or is it really as bad as that.
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Goofy		#70 Posted : 11 February 2010 10:29:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Those who has problem with touchscreen in function: Push function f2 and f7 in both side of controller. You will see an display to go to next. Accept by click on "okey". Ready and finish for touchscreen! Edited by user 11 February 2010 21:41:41(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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TomB		#71 Posted : 24 February 2010 20:34:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		TomB wrote: TomB wrote: I have ordered my ECoS 2, but when will it be sent ?? It should be around 1. of March. My ECoS 2 is ready for delivery from Hamburg- Already I got my new central in one post office today. I will unpack it tomorrow ....
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dntower85		#72 Posted : 24 February 2010 20:46:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		TomB wrote: TomB wrote: TomB wrote: I have ordered my ECoS 2, but when will it be sent ?? It should be around 1. of March. My ECoS 2 is ready for delivery from Hamburg- Already I got my new central in one post office today. I will unpack it tomorrow .... I see it came in early. Cant wait for a review
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dodos		#73 Posted : 26 February 2010 14:00:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/05/2009(UTC) Posts: 135 Location: Island of Kreta Greece		The English manual is in http://www.esu.eu/downlo...itungen/digitalsysteme/# It's time for reading now (for me) ...
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dntower85		#74 Posted : 01 March 2010 19:13:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		dodos wrote: The English manual is in http://www.esu.eu/downlo...itungen/digitalsysteme/# It's time for reading now (for me) ... From reading the ECoS 50200 manual it appears to be more complicated (not as user friendly )than the CS2. It seems to be able to do a few extra things like Ecos Sniffer and RailCom. I think you still have to buy a lokprogramer in order to upload sounds to a decoder Tom have you had a chance to use it yet?
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TomB		#75 Posted : 01 March 2010 20:00:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		dntower85 wrote: dodos wrote: The English manual is in http://www.esu.eu/downlo...itungen/digitalsysteme/# It's time for reading now (for me) ... From reading the ECoS 50200 manual it appears to be more complicated ............................... Tom have you had a chance to use it yet? Hello Antonios. Yes my ecos works, I read a lot of locos with fmx and the symbols were very fine. From friday I will sit down and try things out and I need to read the manual thoroughly. Edited by user 02 March 2010 08:44:38(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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MarioFabro		#76 Posted : 03 March 2010 16:45:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Could we have somewhere some unbiased comparison between CS2, ECoS 50200 and other second generation controllers? I will be probably in the market to substitute my CS1 sometime this year.
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David Dewar		#77 Posted : 04 March 2010 18:47:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,451 Location: Scotland		Hi Mario. Unbiased might not be possible as I dont thnk anybody will own and use both. My well Known view is go for the CS2 where you should always be able to run Marklin locos with any new decoders they may use. I understand that the ECOS screen is not as good as the CS2. Anybody who owns an ECOS will tell you to buy it and it may well be good. I only know that the CS2 is excellent and after all is made by Marklin for Marklin users.
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dntower85		#78 Posted : 04 March 2010 18:57:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		yep, this will be like comparing PCs to Apples. Both have there own strengths and weaknesses
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TomB		#79 Posted : 04 March 2010 21:52:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		Hello Darrin and David. I agree with you. I have seen in Stummis Modellbahforum when somebody wanted (or tried) to write a test of ECoS 2. He gave up, because so many people wanted to emphasize ST2 as the better product. You might have different reasons to prefere one of them. Each of them has some plus and some minus. It has been a big problem for ESU that the first Feedback Modul does not work. You must just put in one without any connections. The users complain a lot of times, how much esu tried to find a solution we don't know but they will probably fix it this year. Today it was a new SW version 3.1.1 and some small bugs should be fixed.
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dntower85		#80 Posted : 04 March 2010 22:28:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		TomB wrote: Hello Darrin and David. It has been a big problem for ESU that the first Feedback Modul does not work. You must just put in one without any connections. The users complain a lot of times, how much esu tried to find a solution we don't know but they will probably fix it this year. Today it was a new SW version 3.1.1 and some small bugs should be fixed. That is a big bug and an expensive work around to have to add another s88 to make it work. Sounds like they need to subtract one for there feedback object array. Should be a quick programming fix. but I cant believe this was not found sooner.
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jeehring		#81 Posted : 05 March 2010 19:12:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		dntower85 wrote: yep, this will be like comparing PCs to Apples. Both have there own strengths and weaknesses MRR is only a hobby, we spend money for something useless only for pleasure, inevitably there is a huge part of emotional in what we do & what we say... As for Ecos colour & CS2 , if one is better than the other one...So what ? ( Globally, one clearly looks better than the other one) Aren't we wise enough and able to make difference between facts and personnal feelings or preferences ? My house surely is not the most confortable of the area, my car is not the best car of the market, my clothes are not the most fashionable, etc...but I'm still able to understand & explain my own choices. All of them are the result of both objective process and subjective process. Honestly, the next door neighbours has a much nicer car than mine. So what ? (but he doesn't play with miniature trains ) BTW I don't think we can talk about Ecos vs CS2 as we used to talk about Mac & PC Edited by user 25 March 2010 13:27:27(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Deborail		#82 Posted : 25 March 2010 12:44:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2009(UTC) Posts: 819 Location: RAK		I am very interested in the ECOS 50200. I currently have small DC system with 13 locos - all DCC. My control method is the trix mobile station and a connector box and a 18 VA transformer. I only run 3-4 locos at a time, although i tested my system and it can run 5. My question is, if I were to buy the ECOS 50200, what additional items do i need? Can I use the transformer and connector box that I have? Also, is the ECOS 50200 wireless?
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jørnet		#83 Posted : 25 March 2010 14:55:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 99 Location: ,		You don't need anything additionally but the ECOS 2. You can use your old mobile station as an extra controlbox connected to the ECOS using a converter cable. The old transformer can be used for something else, there is a new transformer with the ECOS. -no, the new ECOS is not wireless. As I understand ESU is comming with a wireless hand control some time in the future.
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TomB		#84 Posted : 25 March 2010 17:03:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		Originally Posted by: jø As I understand ESU is comming with a wireless hand control some time in the future. ECoS Control Radio also called ECORA is wireless and has been out for a couple of months. I have got it. https://www.esu.eu/en/products/ecoscontrol-radio/
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mmervine		#85 Posted : 26 March 2010 01:24:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,893 Location: Keene, NH		Tom-how do you like the ECoS Control Radio? I am thinking of getting one of these for my ECoS.
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TomB		#86 Posted : 26 March 2010 09:10:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		mmervine wrote: Tom-how do you like the ECoS Control Radio? I like my handheld controller very much. Not too big and not too small. 1) You could want the ECoS to transmit the same speed-steps to your ECoRa. ... If you use 28 steps you don't want 126 steps on the ECoRa. I think it will be an update. ... No update to remove bugs was necessary. 2) You can not see the icons for light and sounds on the ECoRa, this device is of course smaller. But it works very well. It is easy to install. The module in the bottom of the picture belongs to the ECoS. The product ESU 50111 is what you need. For a second device ESU 50112 is without this module. Edited by user 26 March 2010 12:32:00(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Bigdaddynz		#87 Posted : 26 March 2010 12:07:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		mmervine wrote: Tom-how do you like the ECoS Control Radio? I am thinking of getting one of these for my ECoS. Me too! Gotta get the v3.0 CS1 upgrade first!
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TomB		#88 Posted : 27 March 2010 14:43:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		OK Edited by user 27 March 2010 22:03:36(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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clapcott		#89 Posted : 27 March 2010 21:43:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		TomB wrote: https://www.esu.eu/en/products/ecoscontrol-radio/ How can a "Receiver" be "Duplex". I real wish the technical writing would undergo some quality checking. Anyway.. Q Does anyone know if this works with a non-reloaded 60212? Q Re the shift key.. Is it sticky or do I have to press it with one hand (left) and use the other (right) to actually press the number ?
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Bigdaddynz		#90 Posted : 27 March 2010 23:14:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		clapcott wrote: TomB wrote: Q Does anyone know if this works with a non-reloaded 60212? You mean the Ecos RadioControl? The answer is no, the CS1 must be at v3.0 for it to be able to support the Ecos RadioControl. I do hope to get one at some time soon.
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jeehring		#91 Posted : 28 March 2010 01:39:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		I have read a test report of Ecos Control radio. I don't remember wether the item or the instruction manual, one was only in German...(both may be ?) How it is today ? 3 or 4 years ago ESU has been making the command Dynamis DCC for Bachman.With its central screen + assymetrical throttle Dynamis was an evoluton of MS 1 with an infra red link to the booster. Ecos Radio control has the same look as Dynamis. see here: http://www.trains-miniat...achmann/36505-67834.html It's like a Dynamis on which they have replaced infra-red by radio link, added few modifications to the firmware to make it Ecos-compatible . Now they sell it 200/250 Euro ( they almost have invented a business model ! It reminds me another story... ) Edited by user 28 March 2010 14:53:28(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Bigdaddynz		#92 Posted : 28 March 2010 03:56:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		The English version of the RadioControl manual can be downloaded from the ESU website.
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