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I purchased a DB BR01 Witte Windleitbleche ohne Schurze BR01, 3 rail AC, Loksound (14-717) from Factory Direct Trains. It has a Loksound 3.5 decoder and was a great deal. Here is the post on this loco. https://www.marklin-user...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=9644I have an issue with the smoke generator. It always stays on regardless of the icon on the function button. I contacted Broadway Limited Imports (the manufacturer) and got an email response that said "The decoder does not control the smoke generator. I don’t know exactly where you have your smoke unit connected, but it sounds like you have it wired directly to a pick up, so whenever there’s voltage going to the smoke generator, it is running. The BR 01 decoder is not designed to control the smoke unit. We hoped to offer this feature originally, but we were not able to. Sincerely, Matthew Williamson Broadway Limited Imports, LLC" From reading the posts on this loco, I got the impression that the smoke generator can be turned on and off using F4. Can anyone who owns this loco confirm? Thanks |
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Gautham:
I have not added a smoke unit to mine, but you need to make sure that the aux function that corresponds to the wire you used to power the smoke until is mapped to F4 on the LS3.5.
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Mark,
I only have a MS so I am not able to make changes.
I programmed my MS with loco #39103 from the database. My loco works fine but the symbols are incorrect.
Light symbol = long whistle
Smoke symbol = sound on/off
Whistle symbol = Short whistle
Sound symbol = smoke (I think. Since I am not able to make it turn off). All the other functions work fine although with interchanged symbols. I am assuming that if there is no symbol on the MS, there is no function associated with it.
As I had pointed in the other post on this loco, I had a lot of trouble installing the generator. Even though there was voltage coming to the contacts, the smoke generator would not work. When I looked into the smoke stack, I could see a black wire obstructing the bottom contact. Finally, I pried open the bottom contact on the seuthe so that it is pointing downwards instead of sideways and got it working.
Factory direct trains has a good return policy so I may return this loco and get another one. |
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The smoke unit is always been using at function 2 by control it.
Well anyway from Marklin and Trix...
Check after if there is an reservation cable from sounddecoder,so you can connecting it at smokestack under the chimney.
Make sure first,that smokestack must isolation from pickup shoe.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by gachar001
<br />I programmed my MS with loco #39103 from the database. My loco works fine but the symbols are incorrect. If you use #37540 you can access 9 functions (still with incorrect symbols). Write 27 into CV #49 to activate second decoder address. |
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Okay I promise to go to Noel's today and get the suethe and see if I can work out how to fix this smoke problem on this loco... I will pull it apart and see where the wire goes.. It is really odd that Broadway Limited did not know how the smoke generator was connected.... |
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Adrian:
Pictures please...I would like to add smoke to mine as well.
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This most likely means that the smoke generator they used draws too much current. You may need to use a relay to control it, and a function from the decoder to control the relay.
Now, it may also happen that the decoder hasn't got enough functions for the smoker, e.g., they have used AUX1 and AUX2 to control something else (lights?). In this case, you may still wire the relay in parallel to one of those functions and control the smoker, albeit simultaneously with something else.
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Photos commence in two hours and I expect you guys to help when I get into strife! |
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Adrian...we have your back! |
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Ah.. Small hitch in the plan... I have the Seuthe and I know how to get the loco apart, but Miss 8's camera has flat batteries.. A couple of hours they should be charged...
Hang in there... |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup
<br />Ah.. Small hitch in the plan... I have the Seuthe and I know how to get the loco apart, but Miss 8's camera has flat batteries.. A couple of hours they should be charged...
Hang in there...
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup
<br />Ah.. Small hitch in the plan... I have the Seuthe and I know how to get the loco apart, but Miss 8's camera has flat batteries.. A couple of hours they should be charged...
Hang in there...
Where's the backup plan?? Where's the redundancy?? Geez!![:I][:I]
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It's hard... Miss 8's dead camera battery is just the start of a hormonal change that eventually leads to empty fuel tanks, ice cube trays and dead mobile phones.... You can't have a backup plan for nature... |
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The recommended smoke unit is the Seuthe 11 as shown below.  The kit includes: 1. A manual 2. A syringe with a very sharp needle 3. Smoke unit (the brass thing in the green bag) 4. A bottle of smoke oil. Warning: Do not inject yourself with the smoke oil or anything else for that matter... The next component is the locomotive in the cradle.. See below:  These are easily made from wood and lined with a firm, but flexible foam like material.. I am using the Marklin 70900 tool set for the operation.. |
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Yeah, Yeah Yeah, Yeah........
You've got me on the edge of my seat!! Urrrrggghhhh Where's the rest of the info?? It's like a cracking good novel that someone has ripped the last chapter out of......[:0][:0][:0][:0]
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Now it is time to review the first screw.. Remove the screw that is just behind the pilot truck and forward of the slider... See the blue arrow in the image below...  Now gently pull the both air tanks away from the body.. Very delicate pieces here.. See blue circles and arrows in the image below:  |
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At this point the axle assembly can move up slightly and away from the boiler and tender.. If everything is going okay it should look like the image below:  Make sure that you don't lose the piece circled in the image.. Now disconnect the cable that goes from the boiler to the motor (man that's a small motor!) at the plug... You can see it resting on the wooden operating table in the image above... |
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At this point I am really starting to regret pulling this one apart... Everything is soooooooo fragile... In fact.. I do not recommend that you go any further... The next stage is to get inside the boiler.. To do this seprate the two air lines that go to the front of the loco.. They should "pop" out... Then remove the screw and the tape shown on the picture below..  Now raise the skirt to access the lower black panel of the boiler... See below for the mess I am in now...  The circle shows one of the forward air lines that has to be disconnected from the metal boiler... The arrows show the edge of the panel that will be removed from the boiler... |
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With the cover off you can see the boiler circuit board...  Despite how the picture looks the smoke contact does not touch the light, but the circuit on the board suggests that they are wired together... Suggesting that the smoke generator may only work when the lights are on??? The pink arrow points to the screw that holds down the circuit board... When the board is lifted you can see the black earth lead sitting over the smoke hole in front of the contact for the smoke generator... I have traced the line in blue to make it clearer... Not a good design and a possible source of problems when installing the smoke generator from the top...  A side view of the board shows the 9 pin plug (circled) under the board that goes to the decoder in the tender.. The other plug goes to the motor...  |
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Accessing the decoder is easy.. Simply use a small screw driver to separate the plastic tender body away at the four slots shown in the picture..  Here is the decoder..  |
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Tomorrow I will use a multimeter on the boiler curcuit board to see where all the pins go..
At this stage I am thinking of cutting the track from the contact to the light circuit and running a wire from the contact to a pin that is fed from a function outlet of the decoder..
This is where I need your help guys...
Are people interested in this? Do I keep posting what I am doing???
Cheers |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah!
It's live watching a live surgery [:p]
I know a few guys who purchased this model would be very very interested.
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Adrian,
I am not so sure the decoder can be used to switch the smoke unit.
Thanks to the tips from this board, I purchased couple of these PCM BR01. One of the unit was DOA. When I called PCM, the tech support personnel thought it may be the decoder was not fitted on the 21-pin socket properly. Long story short, the decoder card was firmly seated, but after I removed and reinserted the card, the lok works. When I called back to update the guy, I mentioned F4 doesn't seem to do anything, and wondered will it be used to control the smoke unit (as I have none installed). He said he is not totally familiar with this lok, but if there is no relay after the decoder, then that function is not supported. He told me PCM had problems in the past in which decoder burnt out due to the high current draw by the smoke unit. So they are not doing that function any more (without a relay).
Adrian, if you are going to drive the smoke unit directly from the decoder, you need to be careful about the current draw. It might kill the decoder after some usage.
On a side note, comparing to my 39010, the PCM is actually pretty good in details, driving characteristic (although only 14 speed steps), and sounds (7 directly switchable plus random sounds). Oh, PCM also uses golden-white LEDs. The minuses are you need to install the supplied details yourself (PCM saved on labor cost), and with so many fine details, it is a bit harder to handle than the 39010, plastic smoke deflectors, and no switchable smoke function. |
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I tried opening the loco too but quit after the second step  Bending the Seuthe's pin downward helped. It probably bypassed the black wire that was coming in my way while installing the smoke generator from the top. So it looks like everyone has this problem (not able to turn smoke on/off). Ordered a new loco yesterday to see if the smoke works correctly on the new one. Shipping is cheap... so what the hell... Will keep you posted. |
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That's probably why the smoke stack is a separately installed part, to facilitate installing the smoke unit from top.
To be honest, I am not that crazy about smoke generator in HO any more. Until they can synchronize it with wheel spin and increase the holding capacity for longer usage, I will stop at what I have. |
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Hi! Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by martinfung
<br />although only 14 speed steps I dunno which central you are using - with a CS you can use 28 speed steps. |
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You're probably right. All I can remember was it's reduced unless I am using DCC. This was the first time I wished CS can speak DCC too. Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by h-zero<br />Hi! Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by martinfung
<br />although only 14 speed steps I dunno which central you are using - with a CS you can use 28 speed steps. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Adrian:
<br />Tomorrow I will use a multimeter on the boiler curcuit board to see where all the pins go..
At this stage I am thinking of cutting the track from the contact to the light circuit and running a wire from the contact to a pin that is fed from a function outlet of the decoder..
This is where I need your help guys...
Are people interested in this? Do I keep posting what I am doing???
Cheers
Hi Adrian, First of all congratulations with this nice model. This is very interesting,please go on with your model description. Kind regards Guus |
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Adrian, keep at it you are doing great.
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Yes Adrian, Keep going. a magnificent step by step pictorial manual. When finished and working I will book mine in for Surgery with you. the 2nd one will be easier to do. Nev |
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Ah.. A relay sounds good... I hope that they are very very very small... What do I ask for????
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />When finished and working I will book mine in for Surgery with you.
the 2nd one will be easier to do. I dunno Nev.. I am not 100% sure that this one will run again... Compared to the Marklin stuff, this baby is very flimsy and clearly not designed to be maintained by users... In fact, aside from a decoder swap out I suspect that any other fault results in a total replacement.. |
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Adrian:
Uncle! After seeing what you are going through, mine will remain smoke free.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup
<br />It's hard... Miss 8's dead camera battery is just the start of a hormonal change that eventually leads to empty fuel tanks, ice cube trays and dead mobile phones.... You can't have a backup plan for nature...
Just wait.. Neighbourhood boys start hanging around = empty fridges added to the list. Then there is the cost of shotgun shells as well |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmervine
<br />Adrian:
Uncle! After seeing what you are going through, mine will remain smoke free.
r/mark
Adrian. Great pics thank you very much. I feel like I know that loco intimately but then again - I never opened the box Like Mark, having seen the serious surgery you have undertaken, mine too will remain smoke-free. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmervine
<br />After seeing what you are going through, mine will remain smoke free. Yes... I can understand this.. My goal with this exercise was to understand the innards of this loco and to determine if there was a reliable way to add switchable smoke.. Certainly, it is confirmed that adding a seuthe will work, but contrary to my earlier comments the power to the smoke is not linked with the power to the front lights... I have read the loksound manual and it seems to state that the decoder will handle a seuthe 11 (in fact it mentions this specifically), but what is unclear at this stage is where it might connect.. But then I still have to finish reading all of the loksound manual... [:I] |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmervine
<br />just mark!
Hi Just Mark Me Tony [}:)] [}:)] Post edited above for ya |
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Thanks Tony! I wonder if Adrian will get his BR01 put back together? |
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Good point Mark.
Adrian.
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Hmmm.. I am not sure that I would buy another one.. One thing that concerns me is the contact straps that rest on vertial pins... What happens when they lose tension or get some form of contact problem.. (see below) It is a major exercise to clean them up...  You see that the ones that rub on the wheels are already dirty... |
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This makes one appreciate Marklin engineering! They aren't always perfect, but most engines come apart with one or two screws.
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I need some help.. The decoder does not have coloured wires... Can someone please tell me what the 9 pin connectors should be.. I have worked out that on one end the track ground (wheels) is connected and I know the two pins for the motor, but I can't work out the others... |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmervine
<br />This makes one appreciate Marklin engineering! They aren't always perfect, but most engines come apart with one or two screws.
mark
Hi "just Mark" , I've done many repairs for my friends here; FLM, Roco, Liliput, Brawa, Gützold ... mainly. Forget Liliput, they're nightmare. But honestly, after all that blood sweat and tears I should say that technically M* is the best with no runner-ups. As far as my experience with them, the only match for M* is Hag - technically. Cem. |
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Well this thread has definitely put me off buying one of the Precision Craft Models BR01. I like to fit smokers to my steam engines, and this is way too hard compared with Marklin lcocs and smoke units. That and the fact that someone else mentioned these locos can't climb inclines very well.
Pity really.
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P.S Adrian, hope you get yours all back together OK!!
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ALthough I have a Smoker my BR 01 shall remain a Non Smoker like Me. |
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Nev, I've been watching your video of your layout with the 2 Rheingold trains running. You have inclines on your layout, how does your PCM BR01 handle them?
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Well I have finally cracked it and the news looks good.. Nev will have to confirm this with his loco... After removing the 9 pin plug to the decoder I noticed some writing on the board.. (see picture below)  I can now conclude: Pins numbered from the top of the board Pin 1 - Trk (L) - Track left Pin 2 - Mot- - Motor Negative Pin 3 - +24V - +Power to items like lights and smoke (see prior posting) Pin 4 - Smo - Smoke Generator Pin 5 - A2 Pin 6 - A1 - Not sure as it is a little unclear Pin 7 - (F)UG - This is where the other end of the lights go Pin 8 - Mot+ - Motor Positive Pin 9 - Trk (R) - From Centre Rail To check the theory that pin 4 is controlling the smoke I traced the connections.  On the boiler board I confirmed that the smoke earth was connected to pin 4.. Then on the decoder I traced pin 4 to Pin 3 of the 8 pin plug to confirm that it is connected to F1.. See below..  Therefore I conclude that a eCOS or Lokprogrammer should be able to assign an unused function to the smoker.. The bad news is that the MS will not be able to do this... Please note that this was done on the 717 model and the configuration of the 718 may be completely different... Over to you Nev... Cheers |
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