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Thanks for all the hard work! I do not regret getting mine. Even if it was to go belly up in a couple of years, it cost little more than a decoder. Mine runs well and sounds good.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Nev, I've been watching your video of your layout with the 2 Rheingold trains running. You have inclines on your layout, how does your PCM BR01 handle them?
It handles them Ok. However I have one Problem, if I run the Outer track ANti-clockwise I do have a problem. The transition is a little bit abtupt and I will get some wheelspin at slow speeds. Faster Ok. In the C/W direction OK. THe speed Maintainer CV need some adjusting. Loosing a bit of speed up hill. not much. Pulls a reasonable load. I will put it on the tracks later and see how it goes and report back. Nev |
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One other problem.. Nev reported that he had to drill the hole that the smoke generator went into (see blue circle in the picture below).. Mine went fairly easy until half way.. The problem, in my case, was that the solder that holds the "earth" lead protrudes into the hole for the smoke generator.. When I pushed harder the whole plastic insulator sleeve pushed out below the funnel.. (see the blue arrow..) As I already have my loco apart it was a simple task to push it back, but if you do this while the loco is assembled you could most likely destroy the boiler circuit board that is located just below the smoke stack..  I suggest that before you insert your seuthe 11 you mount the loco upside down and find a drill or something that just fits the hole to take off that little bit of solder at the bottom of the stack.. Make sure that metal does not fall through or you could have a massive electrical short (and fried decoder) on your hands.. I am now going to reassemble the loco.. Wish me luck.. Cheers |
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She's baaaaaacckkk.....  Now to get the eCos going and see if I can get the smoke to switch off and on! |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup
<br />Ah.. A relay sounds good... I hope that they are very very very small... What do I ask for????
A 4n33 optoisolator is worth a try. It's very small, provides protection to the decoder, draws less current from the decoder, can handle about 150ma for the smoke unit and it probably costs around 50 cents.
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Done... I can now control the smoke with the eCOS and WinDigiPet (WDP)..
Using the eCOS:
I created the smoke icon for F4.
Placed the loco on the programming track and read in all the settings.
I then assigned AUX1 to F4.
Saved the settings back to the loco.
Note that I use DCC 28 steps with this loco.. I will check out how I can get the functions to work on the MS, but the only way that it can be activated is by using the eCOS or Lokprogrammer.. I am not sure if a CS can program this loco...
Wahhhhhooooooooo.. I love that smoke... I don't care if it is messy - it looks good...
What a journey! I hope that everyone got something out of this exercise...
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Nev, I've been watching your video of your layout with the 2 Rheingold trains running. You have inclines on your layout, how does your PCM BR01 handle them?
Have just done a Check using the NEW Rheingold Coaches. Has a Slider and Earth plates on the 4 Coaches. No problems going up the inclines. However I had some small slippage at the transition point. My track laying is not good enough. the transition is too sharp. Once over the top and bottom transition no problems. no loss of speed either fast or slow. Nev |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup
<br />Done... I can now control the smoke with the eCOS and WinDigiPet (WDP)..
Using the eCOS:
I created the smoke icon for F4.
Placed the loco on the programming track and read in all the settings.
I then assigned AUX1 to F4.
Saved the settings back to the loco.
Note that I use DCC 28 steps with this loco.. I will check out how I can get the functions to work on the MS, but the only way that it can be activated is by using the eCOS or Lokprogrammer.. I am not sure if a CS can program this loco...
Wahhhhhooooooooo.. I love that smoke... I don't care if it is messy - it looks good...
What a journey! I hope that everyone got something out of this exercise...
Cheers
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Adrian Thanks very much for the time effort and pics. Thanks also for the return of the camera Miss 8. It confirmed for me that mine will be non-smokers (unless I send them to my bestest, most favourite, xxup [}:)] [}:)] Dave - I will be taking mine to the Model X on QB weekend for a trial on the modular layout. Maybe with a full 43237 / 43238 Rheingold Express consist. I'll keep you posted on the undulations. I'll also try to steal the camera back from Leah to take some pics for the forum. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Macfire<br />Adrian Thanks very much for the time effort and pics. Thanks also for the return of the camera Miss 8. It confirmed for me that mine will be non-smokers (unless I send them to my bestest, most favourite, xxup [}:)] [}:)] Just join the Queue |
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Adrian, thanks for all the good work, detailed report and pictures. |
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Thanks Adrian. That was awesome. |
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I'm impressed that Marklin are not the only Locs that the owner can sevice. Some off brand pieces are not robust enough to take the handling of larger fingers and hands. (IBM)--big Atlanta hub, (ADP)----big Atlanta (Alpharetta hub)
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Adrian:
Congrats and thanks! Maybe I will get up the nerve afterall...
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Thanks for all of the above information Adrian.
I have a 718. So when I get around to fitting a smoke generator (hopefully in a months time or less), I'll see if the steps are the same. When I do I'll keep everybody posted.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Legless
<br />Thanks for all of the above information Adrian.
I have a 718. So when I get around to fitting a smoke generator (hopefully in a months time or less), I'll see if the steps are the same. When I do I'll keep everybody posted.
Love the smoke. [^]
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire
<br />Dave - I will be taking mine to the Model X on QB weekend for a trial on the modular layout. Maybe with a full 43237 / 43238 Rheingold Express consist. Cheers Tony. Look forward to seeing your piccies...................(that reminds me [:I][:I][:I] I'm meant to be posting piccies from a layout we went to see 4 or 5 weeks ago......[:I][:I]).
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Sorry Nev, I'm an ex-ambo, not a micro surgeon.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
(that reminds me [:I][:I][:I] I'm meant to be posting piccies from a layout we went to see 4 or 5 weeks ago......[:I][:I]).
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<br />Sorry Nev, I'm an ex-ambo, not a micro surgeon.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Macfire<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
(that reminds me [:I][:I][:I] I'm meant to be posting piccies from a layout we went to see 4 or 5 weeks ago......[:I][:I]).
Yesssss And Lord Macca I have uploaded some of them to the forum (but not posted them), but then some sort of internet problem / forum problem prevented me from uploading any more. Haven't got back to it to finish the job (yes I know, I need a roundtuit).
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My smoke works......My smoke works......
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I had ordered another PCM BR01 from Factory Direct since the one I already have was not able to turn off the smoke. I received it about a week ago but never bothered to open the box and play with it since I was convinced that the smoke cannot be turned off.
I just opened the box and tried the new loco now. Smoke works perfectly. Turns on and off.
My Mehano Eurosprinter shared the same address as this one (03) so I just ran the PCM BR01 which has the same address on it. One of the function buttons turns smoke on and off.
BTW, this loco climbs slopes slightly better than my old one (which I am returning). It still hangs slightly while approaching the slope but moves on. |
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Gautham:
With all of the Loksound units in your collection, you may want to invest in a Lokprogrammer or find someone in the Atlanta area who will loan theirs to you.
I bring mine to ETE-ENE club meetings about once a quarter and do updates for other club members.
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Mark,
Good idea. I think my LP purchase will be just a few days/months away. Was feeling a little stingy since I just spent about $1.5 K on train stuff just yesterday and today - blame RJFtrains for his sale :)
Although I grew up in India palying with trains (All Flieschmann), I just started building my layout at home in Atlanta in Nov 2007. Still have a very long way to go.
This forum is just amazing. It is really informative and the folks here are so helpful. I would be completely lost if I had'nt discovered this forum.
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Ran mine at the local Model X show. In excess of 3 hours with a consist of 6 Oot's and a set of 46030's. Performed flawlessly except one area where the track was too flexible (at a joint in the layout modules). To overcome this we just increased the speed slightly. Pics to be supplied in due course and I will include the tricky area. Edit:
Check the Model X '08 topic for pic of the problem area.https://www.marklin-user...ult.aspx?g=posts&t=10118 |
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Quick question - The black metal rivet that holds the red rear coupler housing popped out on my PCM loco. I thought it would be simple to just push it back in and it would click in place. No such luck. Tried pushing it in real hard but was afraid I would break something. I just attached it with some super glue now. Any idea what the right way to attach it is? |
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Yikes guy's! Seems like a very delicate model. Nice looking one though. precision Craft should just instal smoke in them.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by gachar001
<br />Quick question - The black metal rivet that holds the red rear coupler housing popped out on my PCM loco. I thought it would be simple to just push it back in and it would click in place. No such luck. Tried pushing it in real hard but was afraid I would break something. I just attached it with some super glue now. Any idea what the right way to attach it is? Nup, but when I operate on Nev's on Wednesday I will check for you... |
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Update and a warning.. The loco is indeed fragile.. I managed to break off the tab (shown with the purple arrow in the picture below) on Nev's loco when I was installing the screw that holds the boiler circuit board...  Fortunately Nev's only good hand was able to solder the broken piece together.. [xx(] The other thing to note is that Nev's insulated brass piece that holds the smoker was more lose than mine.. (See the blue arrow in the picture below) There is a risk that if you apply too much force when installing the smoker that you could short out the boiler circuit OR break the boiler circuit.. The Marklin smoker is not as tight a fit as the seuthe one - I recommend that you buy the Marklin one..  Anyway, Nev now has a smoking loco.. [:p] |
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TA ADrian,
A real Rite Smoker. Operation a complete success.
First Smoke Generator had a very high resistance over 200 Ohms.did no twork Had to change it.
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Macca, I've read that particular thread forwards, backwards, inside out, upside down 'till I'm blue in the face.
I did ask the owner about the loco, it is only about 9 months old, runs without issues. Sent as a gift from a relative in Germany. Since it is about the same age as my 39120 E10, and that runs OK (compact C Sine motor in both 39010 and 39120) I took the punt and brought it, probably saving me around $250.
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Hi all, Well I had some time up my sleeve so I got out the BR01 model 14-718 and the Suethe 11 smoke generator kit. Thanks to Adrians directions the only thing different in the models 14-717 and 14-718 was the apron and front steps.  The only problem that I had was lifting up the tab to get to the screw, I bent the tab (purple) so when I re-assembled the loco on the right hand side of the tab (red) did not make contact to the cicuit board pin inside of the boiler, thus no power. (easily corrected by carefully bending back in shape). [img]http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1704/br01smoke17sp9.jpg[/igm] As with Nev's the insulated brass piece that holds the smoke generator in place was loose too, so when I slid the generator into place I had re-align it, in doing so I broke the earth wire on the circuit board, so out came the soldering iron. Now all I have to do is re-program the chip to start and stop the smoke generator. |
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Programming is real easy. Using the LoKprogrammer. Assign Aux1 to F4 (FWD and REv), select smoke Generator as type and the required %. goes a charm.
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Even easier with an eCos.. |
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The smoke on my second PCM loco worked right out of the box. Turned on and off with a function button. Returned the first one. |
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I've tested the running characteristics and there seems to be no evidence of bad running caused by other power consumers causing voltage drops. I tried running the loco when turning lights on and off on other locos, all with no problems. Same for my 39120 E10. Apart from one spot of bother where the loco derailed on the approaches to my bridge by going 'light' at the front end, it has run around my M Track layout with no issues. A bit of surgery with the cutting knife has fixed the derailment problem (not to the loco I might add!, but to the cork track bed).
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Holy Smokes! Factory Direct Trains is having these on sale for $156 US! I have never bought from them, so I can't speak to their service, but I doubt its anything but OK or better. Sale price appears to be good through July 20th. http://www.factorydirect...;utm_campaign=freetruck2
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Holy Smokes! Factory Direct Trains is having these on sale for $156 US! I don't recall having ever bought from them, so I can't speak to their service, but I doubt its anything but OK or better. Sale price appears to be good through July 20th. http://www.factorydirect...;utm_campaign=freetruck2
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Great information Adrian. Thank you for the extensive analysis of the specific task & problems of modifying a cheaper loco...
Gautham, great that you started this topic so we can get an insight of possible problems and such that may occur when we buy non-Märklin models. It is always interesting to see how other manufacturers construct their locos.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by jonquinn<br />Holy Smokes! Factory Direct Trains is having these on sale for $156 US! I don't recall having ever bought from them, so I can't speak to their service, but I doubt its anything but OK or better. Sale price appears to be good through July 20th. http://www.factorydirect...;utm_campaign=freetruck2 Jonquinn, Their service is good. I returned my first PCM BR01 loco and got a refund promptly. They don't respond to your questions promptly though. Just FYI - I am not too happy with my PCM BR01. The pin that holds the coupling socket came loose. I glued it back but now the coupling hangs a little low and decouples the cars behind at turnouts. Also, the loco hangs with its wheels spinning really badly even on R2 curves. This could be a problem with my particular loco as I have seen other people who seem happy with their loco in another PCM BR01 thread. I am going to stick to M* or similar brands in the future. |
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<br />To be honest, I am not that crazy about smoke generator in HO any more. Until they can synchronize it with wheel spin and increase the holding capacity for longer usage, I will stop at what I have.
It has been done - Tri-ang (now Hornby) made locos with a system they called "Synchrosmoke". An extra gear mounted above the motor worm gear moved a piston, giving puffs of smoke in time with the wheels turning. Very neat all-mechanical engineering. |
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