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It looks like Swiss dealers have recently taken delivery of this item. Has anyone from m-users managed to get the 37363 yet? I am very much looking forward to the first reviews of this lok!! [:p][:p] (That means you Lutz!  ) http://www.zuba-tech.ch/...ageId=169&navId=1306
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There seem to have been problems with the delivery of these locos. Rumours and reports in Switzerland say that considerable quantities had to be returned for repair because detailing parts on the cabs were broken. It is not yet clear whether something went wrong in the manufacturing or in the packaging/shipping process. I will receive mine as a Christmas gift and thus can't inspect it, but my wife assured me that it looks okay.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Unholz<br />There seem to have been problems with the delivery of these locos. Rumours and reports in Switzerland say that considerable quantities had to be returned for repair because detailing parts on the cabs were broken. It is not yet clear whether something went wrong in the manufacturing or in the packaging/shipping process. I will receive mine as a Christmas gift and thus can't inspect it, but my wife assured me that it looks okay. Thanks for the update Stefan. 
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Hi Brian , I managed to obtain one.It'll be sent from Switzerland any time soon now! Kind regards Guus |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Guus<br />Hi Brian , I managed to obtain one.It'll be sent from Switzerland any time soon now! Kind regards Guus Hi Guus. Good to hear. I sent you an email so hopefully it gets to you. I didn't send it thru m-users, but rather in response to a previous email. I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of the 37363 when you get it.
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Hi Brian, Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Hi Guus.
Good to hear. I sent you an email so hopefully it gets to you. I didn't send it thru m-users, but rather in response to a previous email. I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of the 37363 when you get it. Thanks for your e-mail!I've sent a reply and hope it will arrive. I'll post some pictures of the loc soon. Kind regards Guus |
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Thanks Guus. Got it! Looking forward to the pics
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I'm going for the HAG version of his one. don't know when it will show up, though
when I first saw the HAG version, I was not aware marklin was also producing one.
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Good idea to go for the HAG model. Zubatech have them in stock (or did recently) More expensive of course but for Swiss locos probably the best choice. Very smooth and well made. Anything else go Marklin.
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Roundhouse in Zürich seem to have the HAG model in stock as well: http://www.roundhouse.ch/Also,if exclusivity is what you're after, then HAG will almost certainly beat Märklin in that respect. Märklin states they'll produce 999 models of the "Erstfeld".For HAG this most probably is an already vast volume of production. Kind regards Guus |
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The HAG "Erstfeld" series has already been delivered. Total quantity produced is less than 200 units. However, HAG will of course make further models with different road numbers and coat-of-arms. Perhaps this auction will enable you to get it at a better than usual price (I have no relationship with the seller): http://cgi.ebay.de/Ae-6-...WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Thank you Stephan.
Do you know by any chance if the next one will be the "Burgdorf"?
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
Do you know by any chance if the next one will be the "Burgdorf"?
Yes Guus, the "Burgdorf" was announced by HAG earlier this year.
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It is a bit pricey at 328 Euros... unfortunatly my budget for '07 is long gone ... I will see if these are still around in '08 and will think about it, unless M* comes out with more interesting swiss stuff. I am holding off on a Seetal crocodile 37522 (which I found for 209 Euros) because I "feel" this model will come out again with the compact-sinus motor and mfx decoder... |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by Stephan:
Yes Guus, the "Burgdorf" was announced by HAG earlier this year. Thank you! Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by Mario Fabro:
I am holding off on a Seetal crocodile 37522 (which I found for 209 Euros) because I "feel" this model will come out again with the compact-sinus motor and mfx decoder... I've bought the Seetal croc a few months ago and must say I'm a bit disappointed by its driving characteristics,although the model seems otherwise very nice. The motor is an old can type one which drives the wheels with plastic cardanshafts. It's all a bit noisy,especially at low speed settings. I also think this model will benefit from a retrofit with an SDS.It will make it a highly desireable model IMHO. Judging by the fact this model turns up at a discount at every auction I've attented and the fact it's offered by e-bay sellers quite often,I also have a feeling this model will be redesigned in the near future. Kind regards Guus |
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The price of HAG does seem to be a sticking point when thinking of purchasing but if you consider the time you will have with the model and the fact (in my opinion) that is better than the Marklin equivelent then the extra is well worth paying.
If of course your layout is all Swiss then HAG would be very expensive but of only a few Swiss items are required the a few extra euros is not much over a period of years.
I have yet to hear of anyone who does not like their HAG model (like Marklin of years ago)
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by bmcrae<br />It looks like Swiss dealers have recently taken delivery of this item. Has anyone from m-users managed to get the 37363 yet? I am very much looking forward to the first reviews of this lok!! [:p][:p] (That means you Lutz! ) First models were delivered to those known Swiss dealers in early August. You can bet on getting my review, hopefully pretty soon! Nevertheless, apart from the special livery and some other details it is technically no different that the other recent delivered Ae 6/6's; i.e. HLA with mfx sound (#28950/28951, #37361, #37362 and later this year #29680). I was also thinking about the HAG model, but finally decided to go first for the Märklin one - it's less expensive and is already equipped with a mfx sound decoder.
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Any "insider" information about maybe M* providing in the future also some Re 6/6s? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich[br First models were delivered to those known Swiss dealers in early August. You can bet on getting my review, hopefully pretty soon! Nevertheless, apart from the special livery and some other details it is technically no different that the other recent delivered Ae 6/6's; i.e. HLA with mfx sound (#28950/28951, #37361, #37362 and later this year #29680). I was also thinking about the HAG model, but finally decided to go first for the Märklin one - it's less expensive and is already equipped with a mfx sound decoder. Excellent! I have my first Ae 6/6 this year, the 37361. As I mentioned to Guus in an email, it is an OUTSTANDING item and I am hoping the 37363 is of similar quality!! I am also considering HAG models to add to my Swiss items. But I might wait to purchase my first lok on a still 'tentative' trip in Fall of 2008, and visit some shops in Germany/Switzerland in person. 
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Got mine last week via Zuba-Tech. Its really up to spec and i love the paint job! The motor is a usual extremely efficient and the sound functions are in line with the Arth Goldau model released last year.
I'm seeing more and more of the CARGO painted versions on the SBB, so i would think Märklin might easily be issuing several versions maybe? The locs are expected to be used until the opening of the Base Gotthard tunnel which is now scheduled for approx 2018-19. Pics to follow... |
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Thanks for your report Kurt.
Looking forward to your pictures of the loco.
Hopefully mine will arrive soon now,since it's also ordered at the same dealer.
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Hello Kurt,
Does the Marklin #37363 come in some kind of s special packaging since it is a limited edition model or Is the packaging is the usual one that has a window in the outer shell through which the loco is visible. Many thanks for your response and will keenly await your photos. I ordered mine from Hobby Shop in Gelterkinden. I am really looking forward to getting my hands on one.....
Best regards,
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not really. It comes in a normal box, with a sticker telling you what number of the series you received, and it has an A4 (8.5x11) certificate signed from Märklin Switzerland confirming that you have an original. Mine came in a normal box with the certificate seperate from the engine. |
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All SBB's, SNCF and US/CDN model's. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kurtjr
<br />Here is number 623 of 999 Thanks for the photos Kurt! [:p]
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Hi! Kurt,
Thank you so much for your quick reply and the excellent photos - much appreciated.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kurtjr
<br />not really. It comes in a normal box, with a sticker telling you what number of the series you received, and it has an A4 (8.5x11) certificate signed from Märklin Switzerland confirming that you have an original. Mine came in a normal box with the certificate seperate from the engine. Hi Kurt, the box should also differ from the "normal" Ae6/6 ones by the special Gotthard anniversary print. Here some pictures of the corresponding HAG equivalent (taken at the toy fair).   For all those who either cannot/don't want to afford the Märklin or HAG model or can't get it anymore, just another hint: take a look here (Ok - no heavy metal!) - select Switzerland: http://www.roco.cc/content.php?id=1795
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I received a fairly prompt reply from Zuba-tech staff last Thursday regarding damage to the 37363. They hope to get the problem locomotives shipped back to them within 2-3 weeks.
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Thanks for the update Brian. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by bmcrae
<br />I received a fairly prompt reply from Zuba-tech staff last Thursday regarding damage to the 37363. They hope to get the problem locomotives shipped back to them within 2-3 weeks. Hi Brian, there were different types of issues, like painting/scratches, missing shunting rails and broken UIC connectors. Only for the first ones the models had to be returned to the factory; for the latter ones the dealers could get the replacement parts. I found the last one rather amazing since the packaging (#623360) for this new model is no different than for previous ones, which also included sometimes those white UIC connectors; the packaging mould also provides the required space needed for this connector. AFAIK this issue was by far means the majority of all and the dealers got shipped replacement connectors. IMHO its sometimes not easy to determine the root cause of such issues; especially if the models have left the factory in good condition. PS: My #37361 came with one broken buffer, which could have been too a packaging/shipping issue; the first "problem" (which I would not even call one) ever with any of these models! My dealer got a replacement buffer asap and there was really also no reason for him to send this fine model back, only to get this one part exchanged by someone at the factory.
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Hi! I received mine yesterday - a really nice model with excellent paintwork. The running characteristics are similar to the previous successful models in this Ae 6/6 series - #29851 and #37361. However, I am extremely disappointed because the outer gray box is crushed on one side. Is it possible to order the box as a replacement or a spare?
Lutz - Is #62360 the spare part number for the #373633 box? Thanks!!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by chrisisrang
Is it possible to order the box as a replacement or a spare? Yes. Replacement only by having the dealer send the bad box back; as spare you might try to order #F37363 (no guarantee) - but don't be surprised about the price.  Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Lutz - Is #623360 the spare part number for the #37363 box? No; that's just the transparent inlay for the loco itself.
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Hi! Lutz,
Thanks a bunch for your quick and detailed response. Any idea what will be the price for the replacement box as a spare? A damaged box certainly leads to some reduction in collectors' value of the model. It maybe worthwhile spending under Euro 10 to get a replacement.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by chrisisrang
Any idea what will be the price for the replacement box as a spare?
AFAIK a new box usually costs at least 15-20€ (if you can get it at all, which I doubt especially for this limited model). Best is to get back to the dealer and have him do the replacement (it's part of the warranty).
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It is very nice, Beware of crazy bidding. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
It is very nice, Beware of crazy bidding. Does anyone expect to happen something different than it did for this one here, #37343, the Re4/4-II TEE? [}:)]  If Märklin would ask me, I'd immediately favor more of such limited quantity models. [:p][:p][:p]
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Hi! My dealer - Hobby Shop was prompt in getting me a replacement box from Marklin, which is now on its way. I need to send him back the damaged box, which he probably needs to return to Marklin. Now this is what I call - great customer service. I am extremely pleased!!
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Well done Chris...good result. Not so sure about returning a damaged box..being empty probably be even more damaged by the time it reaches Marklin. Surely they dont want it back !!
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David,
I think Hobby Shop just needs to send back the damaged box to Marklin for record. I guess it is part of the replacement process under warranty.
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Chris
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
If Märklin would ask me, I'd immediately favor more of such limited quantity models. [:p][:p][:p]
http://cgi.ebay.de/Maerk...WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemThat's good Lutz if you want M* to become even more an exclusive and "niche" producer. With these prices less and less of us "normal" collectors will be able to afford it and, I believe, this will bring even more crisis to the brand. What the Japanese have shown in the automotive world is that high quality and low pricing can be synonymous and I would think this is a recipe for success also at Marklin. I, for once, favor large runs with lower prices |
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Hi Mario, all,
I think it's just great that these exclusive items exist. Maybe not everybody can afford them in the long run, both the 37343 and the 37363 are not (much) more expensive than any other item when they were released, but it does serve another group of Märklin enthusiasts: the collectors. To draw an analogy with your automotive example: I do know some Ferrari collectors, but the first Toyota collector still needs to be found...
Moreover, it does show the value of the brand, and as a consequence it doesn't harm the brand, but strengthens it. Also bear in mind the fact that the items like the 37343 do not produce more value to Märklin as they already left the factory years ago.
Märklin produces enough cheaper and less-exclusive models to keep the hobby interesting and great for everybody. The only problem (no offence!) is that some people want to have it all, but don't want to pay the premium... |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sander van Wijk
<br />Hi Mario, all,
I think it's just great that these exclusive items exist. Maybe not everybody can afford them in the long run, both the 37343 and the 37363 are not (much) more expensive than any other item when they were released, but it does serve another group of Märklin enthusiasts: the collectors.
I see your point Sander and agree with it. However, in hindsight, I would now maybe reconsider my decision to start with Marklin years ago. The DC world has more selection and lower prices and making M* an "elite" product may not help the company. Just to remain in the automotive field, there is a reason why so many "elite" producers are not independent anymore (Ferrari = Fiat, Jaguar = Ford, Rolls Royce = BMW and so on). |
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The world is not just black or white. Nobody ever said that Märklin should refrain from producing models for the "big mass" of model railroaders. I'm happy with my Re4/4, for which I paid in 2001 a fraction of the price compared to that of circulating around collectors today. Same will likely happen with the Ae6/6, simply due to its known and even "certified" low quantity. Those are and will remain REAL collector items, even if Märklin offers at some time another model of such kind. If someone is interested to hear the opinion of other collectors about "guaranteed" low production quantities of a specific model, just visit the HAG forum or conduct an interview with Stefan Unholz re. the "blue Ae8/8". This is a clear difference to the huge mass of Insider models every year, which are as well sold as "exclusive" items - and even they are welcome because they're just every time quite attractive models. It doesn't even mean that Märklin will no longer offer any Re4/4 or Ae6/6's; just the opposite has happened and will happen in future. EXACTLY because of this - offering truly interesting models for their collector group of customers and offering many other interesting and new models for just "anyone" - I have not the slightest fear about the hopefully still long lasting success of this company (almost regardless who will be the owner in future).
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Both interesting points. Although Marklin is somewhat out on its own with three rail it should also be remembered that other manufacturers make their models for both DCC and AC so there is a fair selection at all prices. The only stuff I buy from what I would call an elite producer is HAG and only high prices and a lack of consideration for their customers keep them going (great models though)
Mario : nearly all model rail is expensive and I would not think that Marklin is now more expensive than others for the same quality. True we can buy Roco cheaper but only if you prefer plastic to metal. Brawa I would say is more expensive than Marklin.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by HemmerichIf someone is interested to hear the opinion of other collectors about "guaranteed" low production quantities of a specific model, just visit the HAG forum or conduct an interview with Stefan Unholz re. the "blue Ae8/8". I'm not quite sure whether the HAG guys have really learned their lesson from that episode: last week they delivered ONE blue Ae 6/6 to a customer. He's happy, of course, and all other potential buyers aren't...
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Unholz
...last week they delivered ONE blue Ae 6/6 to a customer. Stephan, oh my gosh! How could this happen (and even become "known")? Ok, if they'd deliver one extra blue to just you, every other of those collectors would (hopefully) understand that - at least I do!
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Hi Chris,
Once the "collectors virus" has bitten,I think there's no end anymore to what some collectors are willing to pay for an item.
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