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kimmo		#1 Posted : 28 September 2003 20:52:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 397 Location: ,		I am planning to buy two Viessmann 5217 modules for monitoring contact tracks. They are much cheaper than Märklin s88's. Does anyone have any first hand comment on them? Do they come with the necessary cable to connect to the Interface Unit, and does someone know how long this cable is? And is any extra cables needed to connect these two modules together (I guess the same cable is used)? Do Märklin 7130 plugs fit to this module (for track wiring)? How about the new 71400 plugs? Thanks!
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xxup		#2 Posted : 29 September 2003 00:52:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia		Hello Kimmo, I have a 5211 (6083 equivalent) and while the device works well, the 7130 plugs keep falling out.. I am fairly sure that the 5217 uses the same sockets... It's one of the main reasons why I have halted work on the layout.. (the other is that I am saving up for a new lok) Very annoying.. Adrian
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kimmo		#3 Posted : 29 September 2003 09:34:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 397 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br />the 7130 plugs keep falling out.. Thanks for the note! Does someone know if Viessmann has plugs which are made for their modules, and what the item number is? And would anyone have an answer to my below question? Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimmo <br />Do they come with the necessary cable to connect to the Interface Unit, and does someone know how long this cable is? And is any extra cables needed to connect these two modules together (I guess the same cable is used)? Thanks!
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Thanos		#4 Posted : 29 September 2003 11:10:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,088 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Does someone know if Viessmann has plugs which are made for their modules, and what the item number is? I am using Viessmann decoders and plugs have never fell off the sockets![:0] As a matter of fact the sockets are very tight for the plugs - I am using BRAWA plugs. Viessmann however has plugs of their own make but I have never tried them (item numbers 6831 and the classic 6870-6878 and 6879-6887). For use with the 5217, Viessmann produces an extension wire (150cm). The item number is 5230.
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kimmo		#5 Posted : 29 September 2003 12:37:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 397 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Thanos <br />For use with the 5217, Viessmann produces an extension wire (150cm). The item number is 5230. Thanos, I know there is an extension cable 5230. But is there a shorter cable that already comes with the module? And if that distance is enough, is this default cable enough for both connect the modules to the Interface Unit and to each other (if two modules are used)? And how long is the cable that comes with the module? If I know this, it will help me to determine if I need that extension cable or not. Since I am ordering these abroad, and will have to pay a hefty shipping cost, I would hate to find out that I am missing something just because I didn't know, and cannot find replacement from the local store. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I am using BRAWA plugs. What is the item number for these plugs? Thanks again.
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Peter Neumann		#6 Posted : 29 September 2003 17:03:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/12/2002(UTC) Posts: 251 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana		In my 5211 decoders, I use the Märklin sockets instead of the Viessmann plugs that come with the decoder simply because the Märklin plugs make better / tighter connections in the sockets. Additionally, I solder each wire end carefully so as to insure the best possible contact when it is screwed into the plug. Peter Neumann
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kimmo		#7 Posted : 29 September 2003 18:06:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 397 Location: ,		I can see that there are a little contradictory experiences here. Adrian says that the Märklin plugs are falling off, and Peter says that they make better / tighter connections. Are we talking about the same Märklin plugs here (7130)? From Peter's response one can understand that Viessmann module comes with plugs. Is that the case with 5217, too? And what about the cable? Is that coming with the module, too? And does that fit to 6051 and between the modules? And how long is it? Anyone know?
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Thanos		#8 Posted : 29 September 2003 19:43:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,088 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:But is there a shorter cable that already comes with the module? And if that distance is enough, is this default cable enough for both connect the modules to the Interface Unit and to each other (if two modules are used)? And how long is the cable that comes with the module? The Viessmann 5217 Feedback decoder comes with 1m length of special wire and an s88 plug! So I guess that with combination of the 5230 extension wire you will not have any problem! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:From Peter's response one can understand that Viessmann module comes with plugs. Is that the case with 5217, too? Yes it comes with plugs but they are the 6831 plugs which are different from the standard plugs. Viessmann 6831 Viessmann std plugs Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:What is the item number for these plugs? All the BRAWA plugs can be seen at: http://www.brawa.de/produkte2.p...gorieid=73&sprache=1
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McLae		#9 Posted : 29 September 2003 19:56:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,575 Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX		I use several Viessmann items. I am quite happy with them, but the first thing I do when I open the box is remove the screws from the bag of plastic plugs and throw away the plugs. I use Marklin and Brawa plugs for my connections (Old Marklin, not the new stuff).
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Thanos		#10 Posted : 29 September 2003 19:59:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,088 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by McLae <br />I use several Viessmann items. I am quite happy with them, but the first thing I do when I open the box is remove the screws from the bag of plastic plugs and throw away the plugs. I use Marklin and Brawa plugs for my connections (Old Marklin, not the new stuff). Same for me! I really can't see the use of the plugs that Viessmann supplies.
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kimmo		#11 Posted : 29 September 2003 20:11:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 397 Location: ,		Thanks for all answers, guys! All my quesions are getting answered, one by one. Except one. From Thanos's answer it is still not clear to me if I definately need the extension cable (5230) or if I can do without. 1 meter between the first module and the Interface Unit is enough for me, so is 1 meter from the first unit to the second. And we talk about the feedback module 5217 here. So is the same default cable OK for both connections, or do I always need the extension cable to connect two units together? Sorry if I am repeating myself...[}:)]
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McLae		#12 Posted : 29 September 2003 23:26:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,575 Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX		The cables that come with the 5217 plug into the 5217(s88) and either another 5217 or the 6021(IB). Looks like this: 6021<---->5217<---->5217. with extension cable, looks like this: 6021<---->5217<---(5230)---<<---->5217. The cables that come with the 5217 have plugs female---female. the 5230 has plugs female----male. You plug the regular cable into one end of the extension cable, so you are using both the regular cable and the extension cable. (Just like an extension power cord.) Hope this helps
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Webmaster		#13 Posted : 30 September 2003 00:24:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		McLae, you have just pointed me to a product (5230) that solves a planning problem for me... How to connect scattered S88:s... The 5230 is 150 cm long and makes it possible to put the S88:s where they are needed (close to detection rails) instead of having long thin wires from the detection points to the s88 inputs which makes readout more prone to errors... Thanks!
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Thanos		#14 Posted : 30 September 2003 09:29:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,088 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />McLae, you have just pointed me to a product (5230) that solves a planning problem for me... How to connect scattered S88:s... The 5230 is 150 cm long and makes it possible to put the S88:s where they are needed (close to detection rails) instead of having long thin wires from the detection points to the s88 inputs which makes readout more prone to errors... Thanks! One question gives so many answers! This forum is really working... Also Juhan, if you consider the reasonable cost for the 5230 (around €10) those scattered S88s will not be so scattered anymore!
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kimmo		#15 Posted : 30 September 2003 10:07:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 397 Location: ,		Thanks Thomas, all! Now the connections/cables are clear. And it is the way I thought it would be, but I just wanted a confirmation from someone who knows better than me... But then one (last ) question. Which size of wires you use from the detection point to the module? 0,14mm2 like Viessmann/Brawa wires or 0,19mm2 like Märklin wires, or something else? And do you use the same wire with the accessory decoders too (like k83)? Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:if you consider the reasonable cost for the 5230 (around €30) At Lok Shop 5230 extension cable costs 8,44 EUR.
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kimmo		#16 Posted : 30 September 2003 12:26:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 397 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by McLae <br />The cables that come with the 5217 plug into the 5217(s88) and either another 5217 or the 6021(IB). Looks like this: 6021&lt;----&gt;5217&lt;----&gt;5217. I just noticed this: The article here https://www.marklin-users.net/html/digital/DI6051.html says that the feedback modules (s88 or 5217) are connected to the 6051 Interface Unit, not to the 6021 Central Unit, as you say. Which is correct?
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Thanos		#17 Posted : 30 September 2003 19:24:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,088 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Which size of wires you use from the detection point to the module? 0,14mm2 like Viessmann/Brawa wires or 0,19mm2 like Märklin wires, or something else? Well, I really haven't seen any difference! However, people say that Marklin cables are the best. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:And do you use the same wire with the accessory decoders too (like k83)? I haven't plugged my s88 yet, but I intend to use the same wire! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:At Lok Shop 5230 extension cable costs 8,44 EUR. That is correct! I should have said: "if you consider the reasonable cost for the 5230 (around €10)"... sorry [:I]
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PeFu		#18 Posted : 30 September 2003 22:09:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,288		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimmo <br />The article here https://www.marklin-users.net/html/digital/DI6051.html says that the feedback modules (s88 or 5217) are connected to the 6051 Interface Unit, not to the 6021 Central Unit, as you say. Which is correct? They are connected to the 6051 Interface. Peter
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McLae		#19 Posted : 01 October 2003 02:11:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,575 Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX		Sorry about the 6021/6051 confusion. Since I have an IB (and started with a 6023), which everything plugs into, I thought the s88 would also plug into the 6021. My bad, sorry. Also, I seem to remember that s88/5217 would also connect to a 'Memory' module. For wire size, the bigger the better, until it gets too big. Too big means: cannot fit into a plug or too fat to fit in the lok. (Like me) Thomas(McLae)
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kimmo		#20 Posted : 01 October 2003 09:02:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 397 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by McLae <br />Sorry about the 6021/6051 confusion. No problem. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:For wire size, the bigger the better, until it gets too big. I'll go for Märklin 0.19mm2 wire then. Thanks!
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Thanos		#21 Posted : 01 October 2003 10:40:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,088 Location: Athens,		Hey Kimmo, when you finish work post some pictures of your layout for us to see!
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kimmo		#22 Posted : 02 October 2003 22:21:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 397 Location: ,		Thanos, all I have posted some layout-pictures here: http://personal.inet.fi/private/kimmo.makinen/
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Thanos		#23 Posted : 03 October 2003 09:58:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,088 Location: Athens,		Nice job Kimmo! I bet when the dual ramp and the tunnel to the reverse loop is finished your layout will look really great! I especially like the photos with the E-40 resting at the station. It looks very real...
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xxup		#24 Posted : 03 October 2003 15:31:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia		Way better than mine too... Adrian
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kimmo		#25 Posted : 03 October 2003 15:43:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 397 Location: ,		Thanks for the encouragement.
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