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Offline johnmarklin  
#1 Posted : 26 April 2014 15:11:39(UTC)
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Greetings from Ireland, I have been a member of this forum for a number of years but this is my first posting and I hope some knowledgeable person can help me.

I purchased a Marklin 3750 at Eurospoor 2013 and only recently got around to setting it up. It clearly has 'Elisabeth' printed on the body and according to all information this should be a digital set. However when I tried to set it up with my CS2 there was no response. I tried to download the decoder number that it came with but without success. I eventually opened the powered unit and examined it carefully but there is no decoder fitted nor is there any evidence that there ever was a decoder fitted. I tried the set on an analogue test track and it performs perfectly. The booklet included with the set implies that it should be digital, the box implies that it should be digital and any information that I can find on the net implies that it should be digital. Is this a variant?

Thank you

John
Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 26 April 2014 16:02:57(UTC)
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Hi, John,

Welcome to the forum (a few years late, but anyway).

Some 37xx locos do not have automatic system detection.
There should be a DIP switch with eight positions on the decoder (in the car with the motor). All switches off is analogue operation. The CS2 can show you how to set the switches for a specific address.
Make sure that not all eight switches are off. And only use combinations suggested by the CS2.
Switch 1 on is address 78, switches 1 and 3 on is address 72.

A picture will help if you think it was modified.
Regards
Tom
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Offline johnmarklin  
#3 Posted : 26 April 2014 19:31:18(UTC)
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Tom,

Thank you for your reply and your welcome. Up to now I have managed to keep all of my Marklin on the move especially with the information shared on these fora but this one item is puzzling me. I have attached two images of the board from the motor car.

I have re-checked the board of the motor car, there are no dip switches fitted nor is there evidence that they were ever fitted. The board of the unpowered car is the standard circuit board of an un-powered unit

Do you know if Marklin made an analogue version of the ICE. I am wondering if the previous owner fitted the Elisabeth bodies onto an analogue version.

John

Offline steventrain  
#4 Posted : 26 April 2014 19:56:00(UTC)
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'03/92 MARKLIN' show on board mean March 1992 that one was from 2976 starter set analog or 3370 train pack analog I guess.

Photo of 3370 that same your.

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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 26 April 2014 19:58:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: johnmarklin Go to Quoted Post
Do you know if Marklin made an analogue version of the ICE.
Maybe the board is from a 3370 or another analogue version.

Is there a serial number below the loco? Should begin with "H5" or so for the Elisabeth train while "E" indicates an analogue version.
Regards
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Offline johnmarklin  
#6 Posted : 26 April 2014 21:02:12(UTC)
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Steven & Tom,

Thank you for your replies and the information.

The number on the bogie is: H506946B so it looks as if it is an 'Elisabeth' but with an analogue board. The mystery continues.

I have seen the correct board for this on Ebay but it is very expensive, more than the set is worth. I am undecided if it is worth the investment. Do either of ye know of a source for a board at a reasonable price?

John
Offline Dave Banks  
#7 Posted : 26 April 2014 23:21:08(UTC)
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Hi John,

For what it is worth I did a conversion on my Digital "Elizabeth" to cure the flickering lights & if you have a look at the pictures in the link, your decoder is nothing like it.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~...tew/rms/pdf/tip_ice2.pdf

This is what you have: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Marklin-...&hash=item540794fa48

As for correct digital decoder, only this: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Marklin-...&hash=item540809d182

Then there is this option: https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...nversion.aspx#post395999

Cheers

Dave...
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Offline biedmatt  
#8 Posted : 27 April 2014 15:28:26(UTC)
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I think ultimately the best solution is given in the fourth link Dave provides just above. That is afterall, what I did. These old first Gen MM decoders have minimal functionality and no motor control. I converted both the 3770 that is shown in that thread and a 3750 Elizabeth set. That said, I will send you the decoder from the 3770 set if you would like it. I will not sell it. I do not wish to suffer the greif of someone who damages it when they install it. The small sum of money just isn't worth it. My experience in selling digital equipment, especially old decoders, is that the installer is generally over their head and they just end up destroying it through simple mistakes or a static discharge. Marklin was quite clear back in the middle 80's that static matts, a wrist ground strap and a soldering iron with a grounded tip was essential. I purchased those items then and I still have them. Since it's removal, the decoder has been stored in an antistatic bag. Just PM me your address if you would like it.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline johnmarklin  
#9 Posted : 27 April 2014 19:33:31(UTC)
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Dave & Matt,

Thank you both for your replies. I have come across those items you mention Dave and intend to study them further. With all of your help I feel I am making progress.

Thank you all.

John
Offline AshleyH  
#10 Posted : 28 April 2014 14:39:13(UTC)
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The other thing that has been missed is the type of motor fitted.

If you look at Steventrain's photo, his motor has the white permanent magnet fitted, this is required for digital, but not Delta, operation.

Your photos only show the top of the motor, when looking from the side does it have the white permanent magnet or a coil of wires, indicating an analogue motor?

If an analogue ac coil, then the mystery deepens as to how an Hxxxxxxx serial number is on the chassis.
Offline river6109  
#11 Posted : 28 April 2014 17:39:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AshleyH Go to Quoted Post
The other thing that has been missed is the type of motor fitted.

If you look at Steventrain's photo, his motor has the white permanent magnet fitted, this is required for digital, but not Delta, operation.

Your photos only show the top of the motor, when looking from the side does it have the white permanent magnet or a coil of wires, indicating an analogue motor?

If an analogue ac coil, then the mystery deepens as to how an Hxxxxxxx serial number is on the chassis.


Ashley if you look closely you can just see the white connections to hold the 2 magnets together.

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Offline Dave Banks  
#12 Posted : 28 April 2014 23:44:13(UTC)
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John, I noticed that as well but found this & realised they did come out like that from the factory but I am still trying to figure out how it operates Confused

https://www.google.com.au/search...t315175%252F%3B640%3B480
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Offline johnmarklin  
#13 Posted : 29 April 2014 00:11:25(UTC)
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The powered unit has the permanent magnet type of motor fitted as in Steventrain's image. The numbering on the bogie would suggest that it should be a digital unit.
Offline biedmatt  
#14 Posted : 29 April 2014 00:23:27(UTC)
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I'm thinking the original decoder died and the owner probably didn't run digital so the e-unit from a 3370 was a simple, inexpensive way to fix the problem.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
thanks 2 users liked this useful post by biedmatt
Offline AshleyH  
#15 Posted : 29 April 2014 10:03:40(UTC)
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In that case, John the best way forward for you would be Matt's kind offer of his decoder board.

If it was a stand-alone loco then I would say simply hard wire an ESU decoder and scrap the analogue circuit board. But, this is a coupled multiple unit, so I would assume the board handles pickup shoe and lighting changeover for the dummy power car at the other end of the train.

This would make it a difficult task to hard wire as you would need relays for the lighting and pickup shoe changeover.
Offline Dave Banks  
#16 Posted : 29 April 2014 12:03:24(UTC)
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John, while you are at it do the small "flickering light" modification. Get the board & go form there. That is your best bet as Ashley so rightly pointed out. I will try to find that simple modification in English unless someone has it on tap?

Cheers

Dave...


PS: John this is the only one I can find to cure the flickering lights namely http://members.ozemail.com.au/~...tew/rms/pdf/tip_ice2.pdf. This one I mentioned before.Some where I have seen on one of the German forums a very simple modification that has to be done to the motor end of this loco to fix the issue & I remember it was all in German but I cannot for the life of me find it. Sorry about that. Maybe a German speaking Marklinist might be able to spot it in maybe Stummis forum?

Edited by user 30 April 2014 01:51:52(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline biedmatt  
#17 Posted : 29 April 2014 19:14:45(UTC)
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The 3770 decoder is in the mail.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline johnmarklin  
#18 Posted : 03 May 2014 12:47:35(UTC)
johnmarklin

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Thank you to all for the advice. Things are moving in the right direction and hopefully I will have 3750 on the rails again without flickering lights.
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