Welcome to the forum   
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Share
Options
View
Go to last post in this topic Go to first unread post in this topic
Offline aclassifier  
#1 Posted : 18 March 2012 17:33:27(UTC)
aclassifier

Norway   
Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC)
Posts: 69
Location: Trondheim
Offline Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS  
#2 Posted : 18 March 2012 19:28:42(UTC)
Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS

Sweden   
Joined: 22/06/2011(UTC)
Posts: 544
Great info Øyvind! I am tempted to get one of these soon and your site is making it easy to view the different models and versions. And also, welcome to the forum! Smile
SBB Era IV - VI
Offline Unholz  
#3 Posted : 18 March 2012 19:58:38(UTC)
Unholz

Switzerland   
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,115
Location: Switzerland
I agree, very interesting information - keep up the good work! ThumpUp

But I think a picture of this Marklin model is missing: BigGrin

Marklin transparent Ae 3/6 II
Offline aclassifier  
#4 Posted : 18 March 2012 21:20:56(UTC)
aclassifier

Norway   
Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC)
Posts: 69
Location: Trondheim
Great! Is there a high resolution picture that could be placed here that I could refer to? Or is there already one out there? I would like to see the fleet number ok.

Also, I do have some questions down in blog note 037 that need some expert help!

Øyvind
Offline aclassifier  
#5 Posted : 18 March 2012 21:22:31(UTC)
aclassifier

Norway   
Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC)
Posts: 69
Location: Trondheim
Unholz, did you see that I already have referenced you in blog note 037? Øyvind
Offline Unholz  
#6 Posted : 19 March 2012 11:15:39(UTC)
Unholz

Switzerland   
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,115
Location: Switzerland
Hi Øyvind,

Thanks, I will try to send you a better picture of the transparent Ae 3/6 II, but this model "lives" in a bank safe Wink and I will first have to get it out of there.

BTW, I have just noticed a small typing error in your blog: Marklin model no. 3169 is not the loco with the number plates 10435 but 10453.
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by Unholz
Offline Loadmaster  
#7 Posted : 19 March 2012 16:04:34(UTC)
Loadmaster

United States   
Joined: 03/02/2010(UTC)
Posts: 897
Location: So Cal
Thanks guys for the information.
I currently have a brown one and need to locate a green one for my collection.

Rob
HOac and Z scale running SBB/BLS Era IV-V
Offline Roman  
#8 Posted : 22 March 2012 01:29:56(UTC)
Roman

United States   
Joined: 19/09/2002(UTC)
Posts: 832
Very well researched. Thank you for sharing.

I have a question about M 3351. The second version, according to Kohl's, is a Delta version. Is it also close coupled or does it still have the Relex couplers? thank you.
Roman
Offline aclassifier  
#9 Posted : 23 March 2012 23:14:27(UTC)
aclassifier

Norway   
Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC)
Posts: 69
Location: Trondheim
Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post
Very well researched. Thank you for sharing.

I have a question about M 3351. The second version, according to Kohl's, is a Delta version. Is it also close coupled or does it still have the Relex couplers? thank you.
Roman


Thanks - but who is Kohl that you refer to, and what is a Delta version?
I don't know about couplers, but would like to!
Offline river6109  
#10 Posted : 24 March 2012 00:49:52(UTC)
river6109

Australia   
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC)
Posts: 12,662
Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
Adding some of my information:

originally I had 4 of these Maerklin locos, 3167, 3169, 3151, 3351.
The 3169 I've purchased from Switzerland and I remember it was almost the last one available.
years later I've sold the 3169 at a considerable profit.
the others are remaining in my collection and have since been digitalized.

John
https://www.youtube.com/river6109
https://www.youtube.com/6109river
5 years in Destruction mode
50 years in Repairing mode
Offline Roman  
#11 Posted : 24 March 2012 04:48:09(UTC)
Roman

United States   
Joined: 19/09/2002(UTC)
Posts: 832
Originally Posted by: aclassifier Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post
Very well researched. Thank you for sharing.

I have a question about M 3351. The second version, according to Kohl's, is a Delta version. Is it also close coupled or does it still have the Relex couplers? thank you.
Roman


Thanks - but who is Kohl that you refer to, and what is a Delta version?
I don't know about couplers, but would like to!


Sorry, it's spelled Koll's and it is a yearly published series of catalogs appraising the values of Marklin HO items produced. For each cataloged item there may have been more than one made with variations over time. The 3351 is an example. It is listed with a description for variation .1 and .2. You get many references for what type of couplers or "Connections" on the ends of the locomotive, the type of pantograph, the type of sliders, the type of electronics, over all material used on the body shell be it metal or plastic, and other items of interest that sets one similar locomotive or car apart from another previous produced item. The differences of the couplers, pantos, sliders, wheel sets, trucks may be spelled out or given reference numbers which you can then refer back to the front of the books for illustrations. It's very detailed and a great reference for collectors.

Delta is the name given to the first type of electronics incorporated in the various locomotives to give them independent operation and still they can be operated on a single track. I'm not versed on it all and others here are far more advanced with digital knowledge.

Relex is a term given for the common type of coupler, although there are many variations of the same. Close coupled is the later modification that allows a more prototypical appearance between locomotive and wagons where the spacing between them isn't so far apart. You've probably noticed that by now by the pictures posted on your site,

Roman
Offline Unholz  
#12 Posted : 25 March 2012 11:15:23(UTC)
Unholz

Switzerland   
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,115
Location: Switzerland
Originally Posted by: aclassifier Go to Quoted Post
I would like to see the fleet number ok.


Øyvind, the "fleet number" (I guess you mean the road number) of the transparent Ae 3/6 II pictured above is 10432.

The revision (= last major overhaul) date printed in yellow is R1 Yv 18.1.68, the SLM manufacturers' number on the builders plate is 2994/1924. However, this is an error by Marklin, because the number 2994/1924 belonged to Ae 3/6 II no. 10425. The correct manufacturers' number for this loco should be 3006/1924.

Offline Unholz  
#13 Posted : 25 March 2012 15:59:27(UTC)
Unholz

Switzerland   
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,115
Location: Switzerland
Here are two more pictures of Marklin's transparent Ae 3/6 II:

UserPostedImage
UserPostedImage
Offline aclassifier  
#14 Posted : 27 March 2012 19:58:19(UTC)
aclassifier

Norway   
Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC)
Posts: 69
Location: Trondheim
Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: aclassifier Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post
Very well researched. Thank you for sharing.

I have a question about M 3351. The second version, according to Kohl's, is a Delta version. Is it also close coupled or does it still have the Relex couplers? thank you.
Roman


Thanks - but who is Kohl that you refer to, and what is a Delta version?
I don't know about couplers, but would like to!


Sorry, it's spelled Koll's and it is a yearly published series of catalogs appraising the values of Marklin HO items produced. For each cataloged item there may have been more than one made with variations over time. The 3351 is an example. It is listed with a description for variation .1 and .2. You get many references for what type of couplers or "Connections" on the ends of the locomotive, the type of pantograph, the type of sliders, the type of electronics, over all material used on the body shell be it metal or plastic, and other items of interest that sets one similar locomotive or car apart from another previous produced item. The differences of the couplers, pantos, sliders, wheel sets, trucks may be spelled out or given reference numbers which you can then refer back to the front of the books for illustrations. It's very detailed and a great reference for collectors.

Delta is the name given to the first type of electronics incorporated in the various locomotives to give them independent operation and still they can be operated on a single track. I'm not versed on it all and others here are far more advanced with digital knowledge.

Relex is a term given for the common type of coupler, although there are many variations of the same. Close coupled is the later modification that allows a more prototypical appearance between locomotive and wagons where the spacing between them isn't so far apart. You've probably noticed that by now by the pictures posted on your site,

Roman


Thank you! This is 99% new to me! The Koll's would probably answer "all" of my questions, then! So, now we only need to unfold the data of the some 15 more or less unique Märklin H0 models! In my http://oyvteig-3.blogspo...locomotive.html#criteria I have tried to figure out the main criteria, but I see there are more. I have also added revision dates on the two I have.

In due course I will update anything coming in here in my page, and acknowledge you here for it.
Offline aclassifier  
#15 Posted : 27 March 2012 20:06:20(UTC)
aclassifier

Norway   
Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC)
Posts: 69
Location: Trondheim
Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: aclassifier Go to Quoted Post
I would like to see the fleet number ok.


Øyvind, the "fleet number" (I guess you mean the road number) of the transparent Ae 3/6 II pictured above is 10432.

The revision (= last major overhaul) date printed in yellow is R1 Yv 18.1.68, the SLM manufacturers' number on the builders plate is 2994/1924. However, this is an error by Marklin, because the number 2994/1924 belonged to Ae 3/6 II no. 10425. The correct manufacturers' number for this loco should be 3006/1924.



Thank you! Just knowing about that error is great! I will update on my blog in due course and acknowledge you.
Offline aclassifier  
#16 Posted : 27 March 2012 20:10:45(UTC)
aclassifier

Norway   
Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC)
Posts: 69
Location: Trondheim
Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Here are two more pictures of Marklin's transparent Ae 3/6 II:
(Pictures above)


Thanks for the work to bring them home and photograph! Iwill link up the pictures in due course!

Edited by user 29 March 2012 22:28:00(UTC)  | Reason: Removed photo copies

Offline aclassifier  
#17 Posted : 27 March 2012 20:52:44(UTC)
aclassifier

Norway   
Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC)
Posts: 69
Location: Trondheim
Forget this, all misunderstandings cleared up!

(Forget this, see bottom : Is it correct that none of the Märklin H0 locomotives would have two ventilation frames on each side, like the Roco 68402 of number 10402? See http://oyvteig-3.blogspo...ocomotive.html#criteria)

(Forget this, as more pictures further down shows that there are three ventilation grilles: I think I saw a 3351 of 10439 that has two? But is this right, since only the numbers 10401-10420 had two frames? Here: http://www.ebay.de/itm/H...480b8629#ht_18475wt_944)

(Forget this, 10406 is 3167.1: I have found no 3351-3 with 10406 yet. It will have two ventilation grilles, right? Answering myself, found 10406 from Märklin 29517 which has two grilles : http://www.ebay.ch/itm/S...lta-29517-/270768557578)

Edited by user 04 April 2012 18:13:57(UTC)  | Reason: Correcting and answering myself

Users browsing this topic
OceanSpiders 2.0
Similar Topics
Märklin 37514, SBB Ae 3/6 II SW update? (Model railroad software)
by aclassifier 03/07/2018 18:57:04(UTC)
SBB Ae 3/6 II revision dates (General MRR)
by aclassifier 19/04/2013 21:05:17(UTC)
Marklin #37513 - SBB Ae 3/6 II in brown livery (Loco Reviews)
by tiono 08/09/2012 07:11:47(UTC)
new member saying hello and question about sbb Ae 3/6 II (H0-scale)
by vtt 02/10/2010 09:54:52(UTC)
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

| Powered by YAF.NET | YAF.NET © 2003-2019, Yet Another Forum.NET
This page was generated in 0.587 seconds.