 Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Trondheim
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Great info Øyvind! I am tempted to get one of these soon and your site is making it easy to view the different models and versions. And also, welcome to the forum!  |
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I agree, very interesting information - keep up the good work!  But I think a picture of this Marklin model is missing:  
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Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Trondheim
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Great! Is there a high resolution picture that could be placed here that I could refer to? Or is there already one out there? I would like to see the fleet number ok.
Also, I do have some questions down in blog note 037 that need some expert help!
Øyvind
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Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Trondheim
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Unholz, did you see that I already have referenced you in blog note 037? Øyvind
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Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,436 Location: Switzerland
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Hi Øyvind, Thanks, I will try to send you a better picture of the transparent Ae 3/6 II, but this model "lives" in a bank safe  and I will first have to get it out of there. BTW, I have just noticed a small typing error in your blog: Marklin model no. 3169 is not the loco with the number plates 10435 but 10453.
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Thanks guys for the information.
I currently have a brown one and need to locate a green one for my collection.
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Very well researched. Thank you for sharing.
I have a question about M 3351. The second version, according to Kohl's, is a Delta version. Is it also close coupled or does it still have the Relex couplers? thank you.
Roman
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Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Trondheim
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Originally Posted by: Roman  Very well researched. Thank you for sharing.
I have a question about M 3351. The second version, according to Kohl's, is a Delta version. Is it also close coupled or does it still have the Relex couplers? thank you.
Roman Thanks - but who is Kohl that you refer to, and what is a Delta version? I don't know about couplers, but would like to!
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 Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Adding some of my information:
originally I had 4 of these Maerklin locos, 3167, 3169, 3151, 3351.
The 3169 I've purchased from Switzerland and I remember it was almost the last one available.
years later I've sold the 3169 at a considerable profit.
the others are remaining in my collection and have since been digitalized.
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Originally Posted by: aclassifier Originally Posted by: Roman Very well researched. Thank you for sharing.
I have a question about M 3351. The second version, according to Kohl's, is a Delta version. Is it also close coupled or does it still have the Relex couplers? thank you.
Roman Thanks - but who is Kohl that you refer to, and what is a Delta version? I don't know about couplers, but would like to! Sorry, it's spelled Koll's and it is a yearly published series of catalogs appraising the values of Marklin HO items produced. For each cataloged item there may have been more than one made with variations over time. The 3351 is an example. It is listed with a description for variation .1 and .2. You get many references for what type of couplers or "Connections" on the ends of the locomotive, the type of pantograph, the type of sliders, the type of electronics, over all material used on the body shell be it metal or plastic, and other items of interest that sets one similar locomotive or car apart from another previous produced item. The differences of the couplers, pantos, sliders, wheel sets, trucks may be spelled out or given reference numbers which you can then refer back to the front of the books for illustrations. It's very detailed and a great reference for collectors. Delta is the name given to the first type of electronics incorporated in the various locomotives to give them independent operation and still they can be operated on a single track. I'm not versed on it all and others here are far more advanced with digital knowledge. Relex is a term given for the common type of coupler, although there are many variations of the same. Close coupled is the later modification that allows a more prototypical appearance between locomotive and wagons where the spacing between them isn't so far apart. You've probably noticed that by now by the pictures posted on your site, Roman
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Originally Posted by: aclassifier I would like to see the fleet number ok. Øyvind, the "fleet number" (I guess you mean the road number) of the transparent Ae 3/6 II pictured above is 10432. The revision (= last major overhaul) date printed in yellow is R1 Yv 18.1.68, the SLM manufacturers' number on the builders plate is 2994/1924. However, this is an error by Marklin, because the number 2994/1924 belonged to Ae 3/6 II no. 10425. The correct manufacturers' number for this loco should be 3006/1924.
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Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,436 Location: Switzerland
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Here are two more pictures of Marklin's transparent Ae 3/6 II:  
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Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Trondheim
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Originally Posted by: Roman Originally Posted by: aclassifier Originally Posted by: Roman Very well researched. Thank you for sharing.
I have a question about M 3351. The second version, according to Kohl's, is a Delta version. Is it also close coupled or does it still have the Relex couplers? thank you.
Roman Thanks - but who is Kohl that you refer to, and what is a Delta version? I don't know about couplers, but would like to! Sorry, it's spelled Koll's and it is a yearly published series of catalogs appraising the values of Marklin HO items produced. For each cataloged item there may have been more than one made with variations over time. The 3351 is an example. It is listed with a description for variation .1 and .2. You get many references for what type of couplers or "Connections" on the ends of the locomotive, the type of pantograph, the type of sliders, the type of electronics, over all material used on the body shell be it metal or plastic, and other items of interest that sets one similar locomotive or car apart from another previous produced item. The differences of the couplers, pantos, sliders, wheel sets, trucks may be spelled out or given reference numbers which you can then refer back to the front of the books for illustrations. It's very detailed and a great reference for collectors. Delta is the name given to the first type of electronics incorporated in the various locomotives to give them independent operation and still they can be operated on a single track. I'm not versed on it all and others here are far more advanced with digital knowledge. Relex is a term given for the common type of coupler, although there are many variations of the same. Close coupled is the later modification that allows a more prototypical appearance between locomotive and wagons where the spacing between them isn't so far apart. You've probably noticed that by now by the pictures posted on your site, Roman Thank you! This is 99% new to me! The Koll's would probably answer "all" of my questions, then! So, now we only need to unfold the data of the some 15 more or less unique Märklin H0 models! In my http://oyvteig-3.blogspo...locomotive.html#criteria I have tried to figure out the main criteria, but I see there are more. I have also added revision dates on the two I have. In due course I will update anything coming in here in my page, and acknowledge you here for it.
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Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Trondheim
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Originally Posted by: aclassifier I would like to see the fleet number ok. Øyvind, the "fleet number" (I guess you mean the road number) of the transparent Ae 3/6 II pictured above is 10432. The revision (= last major overhaul) date printed in yellow is R1 Yv 18.1.68, the SLM manufacturers' number on the builders plate is 2994/1924. However, this is an error by Marklin, because the number 2994/1924 belonged to Ae 3/6 II no. 10425. The correct manufacturers' number for this loco should be 3006/1924. Thank you! Just knowing about that error is great! I will update on my blog in due course and acknowledge you.
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Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Trondheim
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Here are two more pictures of Marklin's transparent Ae 3/6 II:
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Thanks for the work to bring them home and photograph! Iwill link up the pictures in due course! Edited by user 29 March 2012 22:28:00(UTC)
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Joined: 18/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Trondheim
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Forget this, all misunderstandings cleared up! (Forget this, see bottom : Is it correct that none of the Märklin H0 locomotives would have two ventilation frames on each side, like the Roco 68402 of number 10402? See http://oyvteig-3.blogspo...ocomotive.html#criteria)(Forget this, as more pictures further down shows that there are three ventilation grilles: I think I saw a 3351 of 10439 that has two? But is this right, since only the numbers 10401-10420 had two frames? Here: http://www.ebay.de/itm/H...480b8629#ht_18475wt_944)(Forget this, 10406 is 3167.1: I have found no 3351-3 with 10406 yet. It will have two ventilation grilles, right? Answering myself, found 10406 from Märklin 29517 which has two grilles : http://www.ebay.ch/itm/S...lta-29517-/270768557578)Edited by user 04 April 2012 18:13:57(UTC)
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