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Offline soren36  
#1 Posted : 01 November 2007 01:58:58(UTC)
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When M* announced the Paris/Bruxelles/Amsterdam TEE 39401/402 I was thrilled in that I often made the trip during the mid-late 60s and thought to order the locos and passenger wagons to match. Alas, these consists were not introduced until 1972 - so not the trains I rode.

I have tried to find out the locos/cars that were used during the mid 60s to no avail. Perhaps someone in Belgium or France can provide some information, and, if M* (or anyone compatible) ever produced the models.
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Offline Pianne  
#2 Posted : 01 November 2007 12:39:49(UTC)
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Hal,

I'm no expert (not by far!), but here's what I found:

In those days, the "Etoile du Nord" was typically composed of a Belgian NMBS type 15 E-loc and 5 PBA-type (?) or type mistral-69 (?)coaches from the SNCF. I think these are the french stainless TEE coaches. Also, a generator-car was part of the train.

The type 15 loco is currently availible from Olaerts (http://www.treinshopolaerts.be) I've heard and read a lot of good things about that model. For the coaches, you could try jouef or LS-Models (http://www.lsmodels.com), LS-models will also make the type 15 loco in the near future.

Some images found on the web:

With Diesel traction,
From http://www.nicospilt.com/Internationaal.htm :
UserPostedImage
Rotterdam CS, july 14th, 1973. NMBS-loco 5166 with TEE 82 "Etoile du nord" to Paris. The train cosists of stainless (inox) coaches, one of them a generator-car.
(The generator-car was always in the front or the rear of the train)

Another picture :
From http://homepages.cwi.nl
UserPostedImage


Hope this is of some help. Anyone know more about these trains?
Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
Offline VT 08.8  
#3 Posted : 01 November 2007 13:52:56(UTC)
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Hi Soren,
LS MODELS (Belgium) produces early CC 40100 and PBA (Paris-Bruxelles-Amsterdam) coaches :

http://perso.orange.fr/r...ls_models.htm#CC%2040100

Regards,

Marc
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Offline soren36  
#4 Posted : 01 November 2007 14:55:37(UTC)
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Pieter-Jan & Marc - MUCH appreciated Smile. My family and I lived in Bruxelles (Uccle) some 40 years ago - still have friends there.

Hal
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Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 01 November 2007 15:24:45(UTC)
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Cool pictures.Smile
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Offline hemau  
#6 Posted : 01 November 2007 20:58:21(UTC)
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Hi,
I have the M* set on order. I want it because I have especially a good memory of the dining car of the Etoile du Nord. In 1990 (or about) it only ran from Brussel to Paris so we had to change trains at Brussel-Midi. The menu was great and it was a great experience to have a good lunch (to simple a word for what was served) while the countryside was rolling by.
But what trains were used in the '60's?
Regards, Henk.
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Offline hemau  
#7 Posted : 01 November 2007 21:29:51(UTC)
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Hi Soren,
After searching some more, I found out that in the '60's the Oiseau Bleu and Etoile du Nord were performed by 5 NS and SBB diesel-electric consists, which ran Amsterdam-Paris, Paris-Brussel (and Amsterdam-Zurich as TEE Edelweiss). In the 70's they have been sold to the Ontario Northland Railway. One of these consists I saw lately (end 2006) in the Zwolle-yard of the NS (Netherlands Railways), since it came back from Canada and people are planning to restore it.
Are these the ones you are looking for?
I have seen them as Ho model (even last weekend in Eurospoor), maybe even by M* but I can't find more about them right now. In their last appearance they were called Northlander and painted blue (and white?).
Regards, Henk
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Offline VT 08.8  
#8 Posted : 01 November 2007 22:37:48(UTC)
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From 1964 to 1996, The "Etoile du Nord" was performed by ten CC 40100 :

N° Service End of
beginning service

40101 04/05/1964 Jan. 1995
40102 17/07/1964 Sept. 1991
40103 04/08/1964 Jan. 1995
40104 12/12/1964 Feb. 1996
40105 14/05/1969 Oct. 1995 (Märklin model)
40106 26/07/1969 Apr. 1995
40107 04/06/1969 Feb. 1995
40108 26/07/1969 Nov. 1995
40109 20/09/1969 Jun. 1996
40110 08/04/1970 Jun. 1996

The coaches were "inox" PBA (like those made by M*)

In 1996, the train was replaced by TGV Thalys

regards,

Marc
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Offline guss-tav  
#9 Posted : 03 November 2007 11:57:33(UTC)
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Hello,

I wonder if the locomotives SNCB of the type 204 (actually serie 54) did not also pulled these trains.
These locomotives also pulled international trains between Paris, Brussels and Köln at the beginning of their career.

This beautifull engine have been made by MÄRKLIN (item ref 3066):

http://www.bigio.net/Die...66/3066.1/3066.1_101.htm

Best regards,
Jean
Offline soren36  
#10 Posted : 03 November 2007 22:04:40(UTC)
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Many thanks to all for the help thus far. As Marc pointed out the wagons were Budd Inox produced beginning in 1961 so they fit exactly what I am looking for Smile. The M* TEE sets offered this year (41870, 41871, 41872) include all I can identify for Etoile du Nord -2 types of A8 coaches, the A3r restaurant car, the A5 bar car and the A2D luggage/generator car.

Now - the loco. I am busy following up on all suggestions received so far. This is rather fun!biggrin
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Offline soren36  
#11 Posted : 03 November 2007 22:08:17(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by guss-tav
<br />Hello,

I wonder if the locomotives SNCB of the type 204 (actually serie 54) did not also pulled these trains.
These locomotives also pulled international trains between Paris, Brussels and Köln at the beginning of their career.

This beautifull engine have been made by MÄRKLIN (item ref 3066):

http://www.bigio.net/Die...66/3066.1/3066.1_101.htm

Best regards,
Jean


Hi Jean - the loco looks a bit like the one found by Pieter-Jan.
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Offline VT 08.8  
#12 Posted : 03 November 2007 22:55:19(UTC)
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Hi all,

It seems that, for some mysterious reasons, the SNCF cc 40100 and the identical NMBS 18 were never allowed to enter Netherlands, so, between Brussels and Amsterdam, the trains were performed by other NMBS locs (ie NMBS 1505 or 5166 as shown by Pieter-Jan)

Regards,

Marc
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Offline soren36  
#13 Posted : 03 November 2007 23:17:21(UTC)
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Hi Marc - perhaps due the unusual length of the 40100 and its six axles on some track sections in Holland? Or the Dutch cheesemakers were upset with the French cheesemakers - Who knows?

But I found something interesting this evening, "en Francais sur le WEB" so I may not have understood it all (Je m'excuse - il y a beaucoup des ans depuis J'ai parle le Francais - triste!) - but it seems 40100 was in production as early as 1964 - despite the M* reference to 1971. In fact, I seem to recall the loco on the TEE-PBA in 1966-8 was light colored (Inox) with some red on it - like the M* 39401.

We surely have a fine crew working on this - no doubt the mystery will be solved!!!
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Offline soren36  
#14 Posted : 04 November 2007 01:35:02(UTC)
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From yet another site - CC40100 was first produced in 1964 - not 1971 as inferred in the M* literature. Perhaps she was the loco from the mid-1960s after all. A little more looking is warranted before I reactivate my cancelled order.

UserPostedImage

Number built: 10

CC40109

Operating area : Northern region
Number range:
40101 - 40110
Maximum speed: 160 km/h (100 mile/h)
Power:
5240 HP
Operating Voltages 25Kv ac, 15 Kv ac, 1500 dc, 3Kv dc
Weight
109 tonnes
Date entered service: 1964
Builder Alsthom
Withdrawn 1996
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Offline VT 08.8  
#15 Posted : 04 November 2007 15:04:40(UTC)
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I think you are on the right way
see (sorry, in french) :
http://www.trains-en-voy...bruxelles-amsterdam.html

and "locomotives; SNCF locomotives: NMBS-SNCB locomotives " in :
http://homepages.cwi.nl/...transport/TEE/stock.html
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Offline soren36  
#16 Posted : 04 November 2007 16:47:46(UTC)
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Hi Marc:

I think so, too. One of your links indicated that the Paris-Bruxelles TEE link was electrified in 1963. I don't recall being hauled to Paris by a diesel engine wink. So if 40100 was introduced in 1964, it would fit - seems you had the info in an earlier post that the old "broken nose" CC40100 did indeed make the run after 1964 and until Thalys took over.

My experience with the PBA/TEE was between 1966 and 1970.

And Henk - the comfort, food and service on the PBA/TEE in the late 60s was extraordinary as well. We typically booked the breakfast car in the AM and always arrived in Paris well fed and rested. Great memory for an American who has witnessed the decline of our rail passenger service over the past 40-50 years. I remember steam service to New York City in the late 40s/early 50s - at least to White Plains, NY where the steam locos were swapped for electric to proceed under the streets of Manhattan to Grand Central Station.
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Offline steventrain  
#17 Posted : 04 November 2007 17:22:24(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by VT 08.8
<br />

and "locomotives; SNCF locomotives: NMBS-SNCB locomotives " in :
http://homepages.cwi.nl/...transport/TEE/stock.html


Excellent link.Smile
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Offline soren36  
#18 Posted : 04 November 2007 18:49:44(UTC)
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Agreed, Steven! Thanks. I had seen this site, as I am sure Marc did. Apparently CC40101 thru 40104 were the first series out of a total of ten and were indeed placed in service in 1964. I don't know what number M* has attached to its 39401, but it is probably between 40105 and 40110 - the second lot of 6 or second series from 1970. That's close enough for my nostalgic purposes - the order goes back! Smile Two happy people, me and my dealer.

SNCF locomotives
There was only one series that was intended especially for TEE trains (although it did not get the TEE colour): CC 40101-40110. These were locomotives that were intended to haul the trains from Paris through to the Netherlands and Germany and back, however they never actually saw service in the Netherlands and Germany and they were used mostly for TEE trains and other fast trains to Belgium. The first 4 locomotives were built in 1964, the last 6 in 1970. After an accident CC 40106 was completely rebuilt in 1973.
Photo: Jean-Paul Lescat, size: 76898 bytes.


Unfortunately the photo did not want to be copied - but it is clearly old "broken nose"

Thanks to all for your help!

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Offline hemau  
#19 Posted : 04 November 2007 22:00:03(UTC)
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Hi Hal,
Glad to share the memory of good dining on a train!
The currency adaptation of the CC 40100's look OK, with both 3 kV and 1,5 Kv for Belgium and Netherlands. Maybe there was a safety-system problem why they could not run in the Netherlands. This is still a major problem getting the Paris-Brussels-Amsterdam high speed line running.
I don't recall having seen them ever, whilst they were running through were I lived then in Delft. Do recall the Inox carriages somehow.

Regards, Henk.
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Offline MärCo  
#20 Posted : 04 November 2007 22:41:50(UTC)
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NMBS 1504 in Den Haag HS with the Etoile du Nord:

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Offline hemau  
#21 Posted : 04 November 2007 22:52:17(UTC)
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Great picture! Do you know when it was taken? NS Hondekop (Dog-head) on the right suggests second-half '60 or later. Announcement layout on extreme right suggests maybe '80"s?
Henk
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Offline MärCo  
#22 Posted : 04 November 2007 23:55:08(UTC)
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It was in the eighties. But at that time I didn't kept a record of the dates.
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Offline soren36  
#23 Posted : 05 November 2007 00:26:09(UTC)
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Hi MarCo - here she is again - indeed used on the Brussels-Amsterdam leg of the TEE/PBA in the 60s. I have yet to find out just why CC40100 was not able to operate in The Netherlands - thus this series of locos..

UserPostedImageNMBS-SNCB locomotives
Three series were built for (and mostly used for) TEE service, the first one was: 1501-1505 (formerly 150.001-150.003, 150.011 and 150.012) in 1962. These could be used in France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

UserPostedImageThe second series was the 1601-1608 (formerly 160.001-160.004 and 160.021-160.024) in 1966, usable in the same countries plus Germany.

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Offline Pianne  
#24 Posted : 05 November 2007 01:24:14(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo
<br />NMBS 504 in Den Haag HS with the Etoile du Nord:

1504wink
Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
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#25 Posted : 05 November 2007 09:14:09(UTC)
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OK wink.
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#26 Posted : 05 November 2007 09:47:06(UTC)
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Nice collection of pictures, MarCo.Smile
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Offline Armando  
#27 Posted : 04 February 2008 15:10:59(UTC)
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Hi
I've just received the 2 sets of INOX coaches plus the extra coach that I had ordered almost a year ago. They're absolutely exquisite! And, yes, at least for once, for a Märklin/Trix model, something made at the correct scale. I am very happy indeed! They were worth the long wait.
Wouldn't it be just great if Märklin decided to grow up and reissued the aluminium-made American coaches at the correct length too? Wishful thinking?
Best regards,
Armando García

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#28 Posted : 04 February 2008 15:47:21(UTC)
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Hi Armando - my cars will arrive tomorrow. Very pleased to hear that they are worth the wait!
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Offline jeehring  
#29 Posted : 04 February 2008 20:37:41(UTC)
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"Etoile du Nord" was the name for a very old and famous train . It was existing before the war . So this train has been pulled by many loks depending the period or Era .

The first batch of CC 40100 ( from 40101 to 104) was delivered to the railways company in the year 1964 ( 40104 in december)The other six machines ( from 40105 to 40110 were delivered in 1969 and 1970). From 1970 to 1992 you may be sure that all trains from the SNCF were pulled by the CC 40100 including TEE trains .( on the North line) The prestigious train "etoile du nord " started to be pulled by cc 40100 in the mid sixties .
There were several trains on which we could find these coaches depending the period ( Era ):
- "Etoile du Nord" & " Ile De France" ( Paris-Brussels-Amsterdam line .)
- "Oiseau bleu" ( Paris-Brussels line )
- " Paris-Ruhr" & " Parsifal" ( Paris-Dortmund line - via Aix La Chapelle & Koln- )


As I said on an other topic , the lok was changed in Germany ( I don't remember at which place exactly , I believe they were authorized untill Koln - I'm not100% sure )Then in Germany those coaches have been seen behind BR 103 ( E 103) with TEE livery .
The SNCB Inox coaches could also be found ( depending the period !)on international trains between Brussels - Koln - Dortmund ( via Koln to Frankfurt too )

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#30 Posted : 04 February 2008 20:48:26(UTC)
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If you can read French + if you are interested in knowing more about the electric machines on North line ( 90% of the book is about CC 40100 and Serie 18 - Belgian version ), here is a book :

http://87.106.24.33/WD12...lection/SYNC_-2035685890

Click on "+ de details"

The name of the site is " les éditions du Cabri "

Offline soren36  
#31 Posted : 04 February 2008 22:17:59(UTC)
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Hi Roland - tried to open your link and got this response:

" Le contexte auquel cette requête fait référence (-2) est inconnu.

Le serveur a peut-être été redémarré depuis votre dernière requête.

(0054, ERR_BAD_CONTEXT_INVALID)"

I will try and Google "les editions du Cabri". The 40100 must have been a fine design effort since it had so long a life - nearly thirty years. In fact I have seen photos of them in service even after 1994. I can't wait until she arrives.

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#32 Posted : 04 February 2008 22:28:47(UTC)
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Actually it is the same for me : the site is not working . I think it is momentary ,. It was working this afternoon .Try later .
I bought this book a few months ago in using this site . I received it 5 or 6 days later .

Try this link ( it is working)
http://87.106.24.33/wd11...110awp.exe/connect/cabri

follow
- "livres ferroviaires"
then
- "locomotives de France"
the tittle of the book is " les locomotives polycourant de l'artère Paris-Bruxelles"

(The former link was direct link to the book)
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#33 Posted : 04 February 2008 22:49:02(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando
And, yes, at least for once, for a Märklin/Trix model, something made at the correct scale.

The length of theses cars are 1/87 because their protos are shorter than 26,4m; which allows them to move nicely also through all Märklin railroaders most STANDARD curves (i.e. 360mm radius). The same is true for the Märklin/TRIX "skirt-" cars #432xx, and numerous more before now these PBA cars - so they're surely not the first ones in the Märklin/TRIX product lines. wink

Too sad that any proto cars with more than 24m were ever allowed! biggrin
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Wishful thinking?

For sure YES! Cool
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#34 Posted : 05 February 2008 19:35:33(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando
And, yes, at least for once, for a Märklin/Trix model, something made at the correct scale.

The length of theses cars are 1/87 because their protos are shorter than 26,4m; which allows them to move nicely also through all Märklin railroaders most STANDARD curves (i.e. 360mm radius). The same is true for the Märklin/TRIX "skirt-" cars #432xx, and numerous more before now these PBA cars - so they're surely not the first ones in the Märklin/TRIX product lines. wink


Well, Lutz, isn't it interesting that we finally have arrived at the same conclusion after all? If there are coaches whose protos are shorter (like the Schürzenwagen), there is no need then to amputate the ones whose protos are longer (like the INOX), because the shorter ones will be able to negotiate the 360mm radius already. In fact, even longer coaches are able to run on 360mm, except for the ones made by Walthers'. Now if you push your luck and add "S" 360mm curves and other atrocities, of course, nothing is going to help.
Best regards,
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#35 Posted : 06 February 2008 01:50:40(UTC)
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Well, Lutz, isn't it interesting that we finally have arrived at the same conclusion after all?

Hi Armando,

surely not! SmileSmileSmile

The INOX/PBA cars are, like the DB skirt cars ONLY AND ONLY 1:87 in length because they still don't conflict with R1 conditions with their shorter length compared to 26,4 or even 27,5m proto cars.

As soon as the cars get longer, problems appear (especially with such 303mm cars like from ROCO, etc.

And don't worry, I know what I'm talking about as I have such cars too. wink
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:nothing is going to help.

Oh, sure there is: YOU go buying 303mm coaches "anywhere" for YOUR 2m radius and the rest of Märklin's customers continues to be happy with the shorter, but usable Märklin cars for their R1 layouts. winkwinkwink
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#36 Posted : 06 February 2008 05:31:52(UTC)
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Does anyone have any idea what is delaying the availability of CC40100 / 39401? My Budd INOX wagons have arrived but no sign of the loco. Checked Steven's delivery list - still not there. [:(]
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Offline VT 08.8  
#37 Posted : 06 February 2008 12:20:33(UTC)
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No problem, Hal
Some customers already got it in France
Yours might be sailing westward

Marc
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#38 Posted : 06 February 2008 15:55:27(UTC)
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If I'm not completely wrong, after "limited and selected" delivery last month mass shipment of these models have now started. wink
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#39 Posted : 06 February 2008 19:05:14(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by soren36
<br />Does anyone have any idea what is delaying the availability of CC40100 / 39401? My Budd INOX wagons have arrived but no sign of the loco. Checked Steven's delivery list - still not there. [:(]


Hello,

The 39401 is in stock but short delivery, More to follows soon. There is also 39402 on delivery soon.

Have a look at 39401 on ebay click --&gt;HERE&lt;--.
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#40 Posted : 09 February 2008 22:02:57(UTC)
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More to follows soon.

Have a look at 39401 on ebay

Or just here! biggrin

CC40108 meeting 103 193-9, both triple axle/bogie high speed locos. The SNCF/SNCB locos are really impressive and "big"; however, the design of the DB loco is IMHO way more elegant and attractive.

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Opposed to the DB loco, The French/Belgium models have separate switchable, direction dependent rear lights (via f1); surely nice when pulling coaches.

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Additional digital switchable functions are the impressive vent sound, like the prototypes had (activated via f3) and the authentic signal horn (f2), besides the usual ABV (f4). Shunting gear and shunting light can be conigured optional as well.

The SNCF model is equipped with each two nicely detailed and painted SNCF/SNCB-NS pantos; the SNCB model is slightly different - it has correctly three pantos (each one SNCF/SNCB-NS/DB).

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With its superb SDS and each two axles per bogie driven these locos have excting driving characteristic, even in analog (the middle axles are non-driven and pendular mounted). Here the inside and bottom views:

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The very nice coaches come with two sizes of buffers and bellows, double livery interior; road numbers and train route labels are as well attached separately.

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These trains are for sure an outstanding Märklin offer which is worth getting!!![:p]

Offline PierreGILLARD  
#41 Posted : 09 February 2008 22:54:32(UTC)
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Here are some pictures of my TEE Inox cars taken during the last days of my Christmas Carpet Layout :


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Pierre.

Click on the pictures !
Offline steventrain  
#42 Posted : 09 February 2008 22:54:44(UTC)
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Wow, Congratulations Lutz.[:p]

Enjoy your new model.wink
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Offline steventrain  
#43 Posted : 09 February 2008 22:56:25(UTC)
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Very nice, Thanks for sharing Pierre.Smile
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Offline pmgsr  
#44 Posted : 10 February 2008 00:10:28(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
Or just here! biggrin

These trains are for sure an outstanding Märklin offer which is worth getting!!![:p]


I received the passenger cars last friday, but ETS have my two loks still on backorder :-(
Loved the cars!!! Very nice model.
Pedro Rosa.
Linda-a-Velha / Lisbon, Portugal.
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Offline Armando  
#45 Posted : 10 February 2008 01:11:11(UTC)
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<br />Here are some pictures of my TEE Inox cars taken during the last days of my Christmas Carpet Layout :

Pierre.




Nice pictures Pierre... Did you ever see that diesel Belgian locomotive series running with the INOX coaches? That would be a nice alternative to the rather ugly looking French CC40100 series, albeit without the INOX finish.
Best regards,
Armando García

Offline hemau  
#46 Posted : 10 February 2008 23:03:25(UTC)
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My dealer sent back the coaches because of a defective bogie. No sign of the ordered lok yet ...
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Offline PierreGILLARD  
#47 Posted : 11 February 2008 00:30:39(UTC)
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(...) Did you ever see that diesel Belgian locomotive series running with the INOX coaches? That would be a nice alternative to the rather ugly looking French CC40100 series, albeit without the INOX finish.


I have put my # 5907 because it was my only Belgian locomotive on hands at that moment. I don't know if Series 59 already have pulled Inox cars on regular service.

Anyway, if you look to the above pictures, you may probably use Series 51 manufactured by Mehano.

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By the way, I really like the quality of these cars. Marklin should use the same technology to produce American BUDD and Pullman passenger cars for our GG1s and PA1s !

Pierre.
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#48 Posted : 11 February 2008 03:53:53(UTC)
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Pierre (and Armando) - if you go back to 11-01-07 in this thread, Pieter-Jan (pianne) posted this:

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and sited this link (more photos pulling the INOX wagons).

http://www.nicospilt.com/Internationaal.htm

As you may know, the SNCF CC40100 and SNCB 18 pulled the Etoile du Nord (and Oiseau Bleu, etc.) only from Paris to Bruxelles - not all the way to Amsterdam. Several of us searched for the reason why - to no avail. Since these locos were able to run under several electrical systems (Holland, too?) I could only surmise that the extraordinary length of the 40100/18 was a problem in The Netherlands. This photo was taken in Rotterdam in 1973.

In any case, it seems that your loco did indeed pull the INOX wagons quite regularly in the late 60s and into the 70s, at least between Bruxelles and Amsterdam.

A Connecticut Yankee
Offline steventrain  
#49 Posted : 11 February 2008 15:34:29(UTC)
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Very good site, Sooren36.
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Offline mike c  
#50 Posted : 02 March 2008 05:21:53(UTC)
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<br />Many thanks to all for the help thus far. As Marc pointed out the wagons were Budd Inox produced beginning in 1961 so they fit exactly what I am looking for Smile. The M* TEE sets offered this year (41870, 41871, 41872) include all I can identify for Etoile du Nord -2 types of A8 coaches, the A3r restaurant car, the A5 bar car and the A2D luggage/generator car.

Now - the loco. I am busy following up on all suggestions received so far. This is rather fun!biggrin


Soren,

there is a subpage on the www.lsmodels.com site that lists some consists, but the Etoile du Nord and the Oiseau Bleu are not part of it.

The Dutch-Swiss RAm/DE IV TEE Trainsets were used on these routes from 1957 to 1964. After 1964, they were shifted to the Zuerich to Paris route instead and then in 1969 to the Zuerich - Munich route.

So, the PBA Inox coaches went into service in 1964. After 1969, these coaches could also be seen with the newer but similar "Mistral 69" coaches.

I had the pleasure of riding on the Mistral 69 coaches as TEE Arbalete between Zuerich and Paris in 1972. The return trip was via Lausanne on the TEE Cisalpin (RAe TEE II aka Gottardo).

Regards

Mike C
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