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Offline roundsaturn31  
#1 Posted : 12 August 2025 04:29:38(UTC)
roundsaturn31

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I now have a used Marklin 1 gauge steam locomotive with dynamic smoke and an MTH F3 A+A set.
They are going to run on a small around the room display layout using a Marklin mobile station 2 for control.
Wondering what you guys would recommend using as the power source.

I know to get the dynamic smoke working correctly Marklin uses I believe around 20v dc on the rails as in their item #60195 power supply.

Wondering if that will fry the MTH ps3 boards on the other locomotive?

Also wondering how many amps are needed, probably will only be running one at a time.

Thanks for any help or suggestions,
Todd
Offline blid  
#2 Posted : 12 August 2025 11:08:34(UTC)
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Six years ago I used a CS2 with the 19VDC 60101 100W power supply and measured the power consumption. My MTH F3 AA, upgraded to PS3, used 1 to 1,5 A with smoke when standing still. 3.3 A when pulling 5 passenger cars in 30 scale mph. Voltage 18 V.
You can still find manuals on the MTH site, https://www.mthtrains.com/products and type the item number where it says “Search by SKU…”.
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Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 12 August 2025 12:58:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: blid Go to Quoted Post
3.3 A when pulling 5 passenger cars in 30 scale mph.
It should be noted that the MS2 is limited to 1.9 A, even with a 5 A power supply.
18 V DC are standard for the MS2. It can also be used with 19 V DC, but I don't think it'll make much of a difference.
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Tom
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Offline roundsaturn31  
#4 Posted : 12 August 2025 17:32:39(UTC)
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So then if I am understanding, based on what was said by you guys the MS2 is not really adequate to run the locomotives that I have.

Furthermore, I should only hook it (MS2) up to a 19v 1.9amp power supply to protect it.

If I did that to test the layout out, any locomotive that starts to draw more than 1.9 amps would "trip" the power supply but the locomotive and MS2 would be safe.

If however I hooked it up to a 5amp power supply, and any locomotive starts to draw more than 1.9 amps, the locomotive and the power supply would be safe but I would "fry" the MS2.

Is my thinking here correct?

If so I guess I am now in the market for a central station 3??

Thanks for the advice,
Todd
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 12 August 2025 23:00:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: roundsaturn31 Go to Quoted Post
If however I hooked it up to a 5amp power supply, and any locomotive starts to draw more than 1.9 amps, the locomotive and the power supply would be safe but I would "fry" the MS2.
No, the MS2 and the loco should be safe. But you can't get more than 1.9 A out of the MS2 trackbox. So there isn't any advantage in using a power supply with more than 2 A IMHO.
You can try your luck, but with a loco that draws much current you may have no fun because the STOP light will be more on than off.
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Tom
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Offline roundsaturn31  
#6 Posted : 13 August 2025 01:09:10(UTC)
roundsaturn31

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OK, thank you.

So what is the solution in your opinion?

A central station because the rating is higher?

Also, hard to understand that the MS2 is listed as ok to run 1 gauge, I don't see the point. I also don't understand how using it in conjunction with a central station would keep it "safe".
Offline xxup  
#7 Posted : 13 August 2025 04:57:28(UTC)
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My FD runs her Gauge 1 stuff with an old marklin 6021, with some 6017 boosters and one of those black and white transformers (might be a 6003) for each booster and the 6021. That's how we run the three train Xmas layout.
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 13 August 2025 08:23:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: roundsaturn31 Go to Quoted Post
So what is the solution in your opinion?
A central station because the rating is higher?
Central Station, ESU ECoS, Intellibox, whatever you like.
If you need mfx and/or MM, that will limit the choice.
If all your locos support DCC, then there is a wide range to choose from.

Originally Posted by: roundsaturn31 Go to Quoted Post
Also, hard to understand that the MS2 is listed as ok to run 1 gauge, I don't see the point.
MS2 is enough to run a single I gauge loco, at least most of them.
A double heading with sound and dynamic smoke plus a train with interior lights may well be over its limits.

Originally Posted by: roundsaturn31 Go to Quoted Post
I also don't understand how using it in conjunction with a central station would keep it "safe".
With digital, you need a booster that provides the track power.
With the MS2 system, you have handheld device that provides the "user interface" and you have the trackbox with the "brain" and the "booster", limited to 1.9 A.
Boosters have overload protection and switch off before they get damaged.
Regards
Tom
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