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Offline LA2019  
#1 Posted : 16 March 2025 17:18:47(UTC)
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LA2019

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You guys may want to be seated for this tale of woe...

I was at my dealer back in the summer and he showed me a loco (39244) that a customer brought in for service. The customer stated that the loco was having trouble running properly after he applied “adhesive” to the drive wheels (it looked like he applied hot glue?). He did this because he felt there was not enough traction.

Suffice it to say my dealer refused to work on his loco since the problem was “self inflicted”.

It’s hard to imagine what the owner was thinking when he thought that applying “goop” to the drive wheels was a good idea.

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Offline rhfil  
#2 Posted : 16 March 2025 18:14:02(UTC)
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Most adhesives are soluble and list the remover in their instructions. That is an expensive loco and worth some effort.
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 16 March 2025 18:29:52(UTC)
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Ouch!
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Offline Vinedusk  
#4 Posted : 16 March 2025 19:56:08(UTC)
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Does this model (39244) differ technically from the preceding two versions of this loco?
Do we know what sort of load, other than the loco, that the traction wasn't good enough for?
Was the dealer in question the selling dealer?
Fine, young, Tweed salseman that y'are
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Offline marklinist5999  
#5 Posted : 17 March 2025 03:09:30(UTC)
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Hot glue softens up again when heated. It needs a good cleaning.
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Offline mvd71  
#6 Posted : 17 March 2025 08:48:10(UTC)
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Oh man, that guy is about as bright as an eclipse!
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Offline xxup  
#7 Posted : 17 March 2025 09:30:41(UTC)
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It looks like Silastic - like the rubbery stuff used for gap filling cracks in a wall. I get the logic, but the application needs work. Crying
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Offline marklinist5999  
#8 Posted : 17 March 2025 12:34:35(UTC)
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He was being too cheap and lazy to order traction tires. Walthers trains sells a liquid plastic polymer called bullfrog snot, but it's even more expensive than the tires at $25US. Still you have to apply it carefully sparingly with a toothpick. It's fine for wheels without tire grooves and not optimal for Marklin. I did use it on my first series Vectron to aide in traction on the flat edge wheels.
The 36xx Vectrons tend to dislodge one cardan shaft under a heavier load. Using it equalized the torque to the opposite bogie.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#9 Posted : 17 March 2025 14:15:05(UTC)
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Hi
Regarding the loco that has been smeared with glue (a savage operation by a totally incompetent person) there are 2 possibilities:

- both require the removal of all driving wheel by unscrewing the bottom cover, by removing all the distribution screws AFTER TAKING NOTE OF EACH SCREW PLACEMENT AND THE SPECIFIC WASHERS IN-BETWEEN AND ALSO THE PLACEMENT OF EACH AXLE. CAREFUL WITH SPRINGS AND BEARING PLACEMENT. TAKE A LOT OF PICTURES

- Method ONE: clean the wheels by putting them in the freezer so the glue becomes very hard and is easier to remove

- Methode TWO: order a set of driving wheels (they are NOT normally on sale so contact MärklinShop first (in Germany). Märklin may insist to replace the wheels themselves.

- re-install the wheels in place by placing all the contact finguers, the spring etc.

AVOID DOING THID IF YOU ARE NOT PATIENT, NOT METICULOUS AND IN ABSENCE OF A LARGE AND ILLUMINATED MAGNIFIER

Specific driving wheels. They differ with:
- insulation - or not - of the wheel for the Trix or Märklin version
- painting: Black with white tyres, red, green depending on the model

Note: because all driving wheels have finger contact, insulated wheels may be used for a Märklin 3 rail application BUT CONVERSELY A TRIX SET CANNOT BE USED ON 2 RAILS
The pulling power of this loco is already more than enough for reasonably long trains (10 cars), reasonnable ramps (3% max) and reasonnable rolling resistance (no slider at each car, no ground return except on bearing like in the Eldelweiss set.

Adding an extra layer of adhesive to the wheels is "bricolage" (shitty work on such a splendid model) changes totally the contact forces for each wheel set and in all probability will cause runing issues and possibly also a motor fatigue that may result in destruction

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Offline Vinedusk  
#10 Posted : 17 March 2025 15:42:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Hi
- both require the removal of all driving wheel by unscrewing the bottom cover, by removing all the distribution screws AFTER TAKING NOTE OF EACH SCREW PLACEMENT AND THE SPECIFIC WASHERS IN-BETWEEN AND ALSO THE PLACEMENT OF EACH AXLE. CAREFUL WITH SPRINGS AND BEARING PLACEMENT. TAKE A LOT OF PICTURES


So, taking it to an 'authorised dealer' to be professionally repaired is probably a better course of action.

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The pulling power of this loco is already more than enough for reasonably long trains (10 cars), reasonnable ramps (3% max) and reasonnable rolling resistance (no slider at each car, no ground return except on bearing like in the Eldelweiss set.

Cheers
Jean

An entirely reasonable expectation. My own running environment would see this loco hauling six unlit coaches. Possibly a common setup for most people, as this loco is better matched to a 1930's Orient Express leaving Paris with a set of 5-7 cars. But we know it's sold as a match the 'Eidelweiss' set, so presumably, it's been tested in that configuration prior to release and that should be the benchmark.

So here we are back at wondering why the owner made this extreme modification. There are two obvious reasons in my mind:

The loco did not fulfill it's role of hauling the 'Eidelweiss' set; or a similar configuration of coaches. So - a faulty loco.
The adhesive solution was recommended by 'someone' to resolve that fault. This doesn't look like the owner had prior experience with this solution.

There's more to this tale of woe.

Fine, young, Tweed salseman that y'are
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Offline analogmike  
#11 Posted : 17 March 2025 16:04:02(UTC)
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Oh, Just put the whole thing in the oven for about an hour @ 400f.
It'll be fine.
I love the smell of smoke fluid in the morning .
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Offline marklinist5999  
#12 Posted : 17 March 2025 17:00:05(UTC)
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HAHAHA! I tried dewarming a vynil record just on warm between towels, a baking stone, and a skillet. Shrank down to a 45 r.p.m. size.
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Offline Vinedusk  
#13 Posted : 18 March 2025 00:11:57(UTC)
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Quote:
Oh, Just put the whole thing in the oven for about an hour @ 400f.


Quote:
I tried de-warping a vinyl record just on warm between towels, a baking stone, and a skillet. Shrank down to a 45 r.p.m. size.


This topic discusses potential problems with one of Maerklin's premium locos and/or it's dealer network.
I'd like to be surprised at why the topic has been largely treated with ridicule, but sadly, I'm not.
Fine, young, Tweed salseman that y'are
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Offline mvd71  
#14 Posted : 18 March 2025 01:35:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Vinedusk Go to Quoted Post
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Oh, Just put the whole thing in the oven for about an hour @ 400f.


Quote:
I tried de-warping a vinyl record just on warm between towels, a baking stone, and a skillet. Shrank down to a 45 r.p.m. size.


This topic discusses potential problems with one of Maerklin's premium locos and/or it's dealer network.
I'd like to be surprised at why the topic has been largely treated with ridicule, but sadly, I'm not.


You make a valid point, and I’m sorry for my own negative and unhelpful comment.

Realistically the loco is probably fine, just needs a good clean up.

The dealer perhaps needs a kicking for refusing to work on it. Obviously no warranty, but a Märklin dealer should always offer a solution to the customer.

Cheers….

Mike
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Offline David Dewar  
#15 Posted : 18 March 2025 11:58:16(UTC)
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Looking at this I can see why a dealer or Marklin would not want to touch a loco which has had glue put on the wheels. If there was a traction problem then a dealer may be able to help by fitting another traction tyre.
Even if the owner had come on here first at least he would have been told to avoid glue.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#16 Posted : 18 March 2025 12:47:49(UTC)
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I didn't interpret analog Mikes comment as ridicule. Sorry, I guess it can be. Too much of that going 'round these days, especially in the USA. I try not to judge or hate on anyone. Unless they have biased attitudes etc. toward myself, my family, friends, or group. Societal lack of empathy? One billionaire even said we have too much empathy. The other no less agrees.
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