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Hi, I'm replacing broken decoder of https://www.maerklin.de/...ts/details/article/37349 with mSD3 21-pin. There seems to be no sound project available for #37349 so I tried #37301 project. However the lights seem to have a setup I'm not sure how it works. There is propably some logic in the PCB for the long distance lights as the light boards only have one white led per side and three red ones. So does anyone have a working project for #37349 to share with me please? I could always try to get rid of the PCB and solder the lights to work with just normal AUX outputs instead. Not sure how I'd implement the long distance lights thou... Headlights + Aux1 to the same LED? Also some explanation on how the SUSI works, would be nice. The #37301 I'm using controls red marker lights and long distance lights with SUSI but headlights with normal headlight outputs (which don't work on the PCB either) Thanks! -Eino  
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Originally Posted by: einotuominen  Hi, I'm replacing broken decoder of https://www.maerklin.de/...ts/details/article/37349 with mSD3 21-pin. There seems to be no sound project available for #37349 so I tried #37301 project. However the lights seem to have a setup I'm not sure how it works. There is propably some logic in the PCB for the long distance lights as the light boards only have one white led per side and three red ones. So does anyone have a working project for #37349 to share with me please? I could always try to get rid of the PCB and solder the lights to work with just normal AUX outputs instead. Not sure how I'd implement the long distance lights thou... Headlights + Aux1 to the same LED? Also some explanation on how the SUSI works, would be nice. The #37301 I'm using controls red marker lights and long distance lights with SUSI but headlights with normal headlight outputs (which don't work on the PCB either) Thanks! -Eino If I remember correctly, you can order a replacement decoder from Maerklin and they will preload it with the sound functions for the desired model. I think that the closest model may be the 37359 Re 4/4II Green which came out in 2015. Regards Mike C
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Originally Posted by: einotuominen Hi, I'm replacing broken decoder of https://www.maerklin.de/...ts/details/article/37349 with mSD3 21-pin. There seems to be no sound project available for #37349 so I tried #37301 project. However the lights seem to have a setup I'm not sure how it works. There is propably some logic in the PCB for the long distance lights as the light boards only have one white led per side and three red ones. So does anyone have a working project for #37349 to share with me please? I could always try to get rid of the PCB and solder the lights to work with just normal AUX outputs instead. Not sure how I'd implement the long distance lights thou... Headlights + Aux1 to the same LED? Also some explanation on how the SUSI works, would be nice. The #37301 I'm using controls red marker lights and long distance lights with SUSI but headlights with normal headlight outputs (which don't work on the PCB either) Thanks! -Eino Hi, AFAIK, among all my Re 4/4 II, only the projects of 37359 (green) and 31016 (Gottardo) come very close to that of 37349. Sound allocation just differs slightly. However, 37359 has no long distance lights, and has a different light pcb. 31016 and 37349 both have long distance lights and share light pcb #E198895. For the other recent Re 4/4 II with drum collector motor, 37351 (50y LGB; no long distance lights) and 37306 (Zugkraft Aargau; w/ long distance headlights), which share another light pcb #E253056, a sound project is available at the M* project page. Although I did not check, you may be correct that headlights/long distance lights are simulated by dimming a single led, also with this light pcb. *Bart |
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I did some research on models that came out around the same time and could not find two with the same part number for decoder. As I previously stated, you can order a replacement decoder from Maerklin and specify the model and they will program the sounds and setting for you. I did not find the Maerklin sounds for the Ae 6/6, Re 4/4II or Re 6/6 to be very good. There are better options out there. ESU has a decent sound package for the Re 4/4II, but IMHO the best sound that I have of all my Re 4/4IIs is Roco's OEM Zimo decoder. I found this on Maerklin's website: https://www.maerklin.de/...-mld3msd3/elektro-soundshttps://www.maerklin.de/...3/Elloks/SBB-Re44-II.pdfRegards Mike C
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Originally Posted by: Bart
31016 and 37349 both have long distance lights and share light pcb #E198895.
Hi! Will check of there is a sound project for the 31016 and try that! It’s a set thou. The 4/4 seems to be #268156 -Eino
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…well there seems to be no availability for either on Märklin servers.
Does anyone have this loco and would be willing to read out the decoder to a new project? I’m sure I can get the sound slots in place afterwards.
-Eino
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Originally Posted by: einotuominen …well there seems to be no availability for either on Märklin servers.
Does anyone have this loco and would be willing to read out the decoder to a new project? I’m sure I can get the sound slots in place afterwards.
-Eino No problem, please send me a PM |
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I would love to download and send the decoder project from my 37349 for you, but I don’t know how. The 37349 factory-installed mfx+ decoder (2014) is pre-mSD3, and is not recognized by the 60971 decoder programmer + mDecoderTool3, which can only read out mSD3/mLD3 decoders. Also, while I can program the 37349 decoder with the CS3, I don’t seem to be able to download and save the decoder project from a loc – neither in the CS3 itself nor when CS3 is connected to mDT (mDT only enables the “decoder tester” dashboard for the 37349 on the program track, no decoder read-out). This has been discussed before many years ago, and nothing has changed? www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/t42089Am I correct that there is no way to download, save of backup decoder projects from a pre-mSD3 loc using a 60971/mDT3/CS3 setup? |
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Originally Posted by: Bart
Am I correct that there is no way to download, save of backup decoder projects from a pre-mSD3 loc using a 60971/mDT3/CS3 setup?
I don’t actually know. Anyone else please? -Eino
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The last Re 4/4II that I saved the settings for was the 37356. Since Maerklin changed from ESU to in-house decoders, I have been unable to save the data with the ESU Lokprogrammer
I wonder if there was a way to save the first generation ones using the CS1 or CS2. I think that the new ones can be saved using CS3 or the Maerklin programmer.
I do know that if you specify the model, Maerklin service will prepare a decoder for you on spec.
Regards
Mike C
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Originally Posted by: einotuominen Originally Posted by: Bart
Am I correct that there is no way to download, save of backup decoder projects from a pre-mSD3 loc using a 60971/mDT3/CS3 setup?
I don’t actually know. Anyone else please? -Eino I belive it's correct. But if Bart can provide screenshots of the function mappings and other relevant settings, you should be able to use the project from eg 37351 and modify and add the relevant settings. you could also try to send Marklin service an email. maybe they can send you the correct project?
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Originally Posted by: bph
I belive it's correct.
But if Bart can provide screenshots of the function mappings and other relevant settings, you should be able to use the project from eg 37351 and modify and add the relevant settings.
you could also try to send Marklin service an email. maybe they can send you the correct project?
I'm afraid the light settings seem to be a combination of pcb hardware and dedicated (SUSI?) programming. As far as I can see in the function mapping, the light functions such as long distance lights (= brighter headlight leds), Swiss white/red tail light, triple red warning signal, are not mapped to AUX outputs, dimming settings, or to logical functions (which are not available in pre-mSD3 decoders), but refer only to a "sound" file (e.g., sound13, sound16) that is the only output mapped to the light F-keys. |
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Originally Posted by: Bart
I'm afraid the light settings seem to be a combination of pcb hardware and dedicated (SUSI?) programming.
As far as I can see in the function mapping, the light functions such as long distance lights (= brighter headlight leds), Swiss white/red tail light, triple red warning signal, are not mapped to AUX outputs, dimming settings, or to logical functions (which are not available in pre-mSD3 decoders), but refer only to a "sound" file (e.g., sound13, sound16) that is the only output mapped to the light F-keys.
Hi! Could you please take screenshots or photos of which SUSI output is assigned to which function key and also with what settings? -Eino
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Originally Posted by: Bart Originally Posted by: bph
I belive it's correct.
But if Bart can provide screenshots of the function mappings and other relevant settings, you should be able to use the project from eg 37351 and modify and add the relevant settings.
you could also try to send Marklin service an email. maybe they can send you the correct project?
I'm afraid the light settings seem to be a combination of pcb hardware and dedicated (SUSI?) programming. As far as I can see in the function mapping, the light functions such as long distance lights (= brighter headlight leds), Swiss white/red tail light, triple red warning signal, are not mapped to AUX outputs, dimming settings, or to logical functions (which are not available in pre-mSD3 decoders), but refer only to a "sound" file (e.g., sound13, sound16) that is the only output mapped to the light F-keys. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the susi settings are stored on the susi board, so as long as the susi functions are mapped to a function button, they should work the same way as with the original decoder. In the lastest Cs3 software, the were some improvements related to susi cv configuration, in order to make it easier to read and change values etc. Have you tested to see if the cs3 reads the susi board connected to the original 37349 decoder? (under the configuration tab and browse to the bottom) I don't have the locomotive or any mfx+ "msd2" decoders with susi function decoders, so I can't test.
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Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: Bart
I'm afraid the light settings seem to be a combination of pcb hardware and dedicated (SUSI?) programming.
As far as I can see in the function mapping, the light functions such as long distance lights (= brighter headlight leds), Swiss white/red tail light, triple red warning signal, are not mapped to AUX outputs, dimming settings, or to logical functions (which are not available in pre-mSD3 decoders), but refer only to a "sound" file (e.g., sound13, sound16) that is the only output mapped to the light F-keys.
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the susi settings are stored on the susi board, so as long as the susi functions are mapped to a function button, they should work the same way as with the original decoder. In the lastest Cs3 software, the were some improvements related to susi cv configuration, in order to make it easier to read and change values etc. Have you tested to see if the cs3 reads the susi board connected to the original 37349 decoder? (under the configuration tab and browse to the bottom) I don't have the locomotive or any mfx+ "msd2" decoders with susi function decoders, so I can't test. Sorry, there are no SUSI settings accessible through the CS3 configuration for this decoder |
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