Poll Question : Do you want an upgrade for the Pig loco?
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kimballthurlow		#1 Posted : 19 March 2024 07:57:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi The Pig has been misbehaving. For a start, I have had to clip off its ears because it fouls all sorts of things on my layout. Which is probably sacrilege to many collectors. Things like platform awnings on freight and passenger stations, tunnel mouths, and lineside trees. And the tail fouls most vehicles it is pulling, and I believe the nose does so as well. Why is this? Because it is an outsize vehicle, outside the loading gauge, and outside of a genuine 1;87 scale vehicle. That goes for length, breadth and height. The Pig is #30455 in the Märklin catalog, although not seen in a few years now. The mechanism is basic like the digital KLVM locos such as the 36873 but a much earlier decoder (Delta). It is a robust design, runner and hauler. The loco is useful enough, hauling transfer trains between depots, and sent around on repetitive tasks like cleaning the tracks. But apparently Schleich make the body for this locomotive, and it is known in Germany as the Glücksschwein meaning the good luck pig. It is not good luck if it is too big for the standard confines of a HO scale layout. Please Märklin make it so it fits like any other locomotive on a layout. What do you think? You can answer the poll if you like. Kimball
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xxup		#2 Posted : 19 March 2024 09:21:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,578 Location: Australia		I have two of these - not sure why, but I remember Miss 3 (at the time) wanting one, and then I bought another one 15 years later. Miss 18 and I were talking about modifying one of them to add red LEDs for eyes and a sound decoder of disturbing sounds. Miss 18 had only just moved out of the goth/anti-christ stage at that time.
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TrainIride		#3 Posted : 19 March 2024 09:52:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 2,059 Location: FRANCE		Pig wheels keep on turning. ... An original concept, but I admit not being interested for my layout. but I understand that one might be interested. then I won't say yes and I won't say no. Thank you of sharing ! Best Regards Joël
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Jimmy Thompson		#4 Posted : 19 March 2024 11:09:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Quote: Adrian wrote: "...add red LEDs for eyes and a sound decoder of disturbing sounds." Would the eyes change color red/white for direction? Edited by user 20 March 2024 21:11:06(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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kimballthurlow		#5 Posted : 19 March 2024 11:19:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Does a pig wag the tail like a dog? I never noticed. Kimball
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Jimmy Thompson		#6 Posted : 19 March 2024 11:55:16(UTC) Retweet
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Jimmy Thompson		#7 Posted : 19 March 2024 11:58:03(UTC) Retweet
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marklinist5999		#8 Posted : 19 March 2024 12:21:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Is the pig a good luck symbol in Germany? Does pork fat rule? Poor people from the southern United States used to smoke the ears. Hog maws they are called. I think slaves were given the inards by the owners so they wasted nothing.Well washed intestines stewed with collard, mustard and turnip greens with salt pork are Chitlins. I don't see them in supermarkets since the last decade. The elder generation that carried the tradition are mostly deceased. Same as the older local Italians who spit roasted whole lambs for Easter. I would much rather eat a nice sauerbraten with celery root and ginger snap sauce, or even a roast pork or veal shank.
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kiwiAlan		#9 Posted : 19 March 2024 20:53:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Is the pig a good luck symbol in Germany? Well, the 30455 Lucky Pig was produced as a millennium item in 2000. I suspect it didn't sell as well as expected and there were a heap left over because sometime later Marklin produced the 30455-001 which was the same loco with all the butchers cuts marked on it. I believe the base loco chassis is from the Alpha range.
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Jimmy Thompson		#10 Posted : 19 March 2024 21:53:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		https://www.thetasteofgermany.co...-good-luck-pig-for-2024/ Correct, Piggy, Alpha, and KLVM all had the single drive axle arrangement. Butcher Block version:
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kimballthurlow		#11 Posted : 19 March 2024 22:24:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi Jimmy, Your researches, knowledge and contributions are impeccable. Thank you. I find I am a little disappointed now that I chopped off the ears. But I had to do something otherwise it would not get a run. Anyway there are retailers in Germany who still have stock for sale - at around 99.99 Euros. Interesting that it shares basic with the old Alpha range and KLVM. What about the 3029 series? They seem to have different axle spacings. Kimball
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kimballthurlow		#12 Posted : 19 March 2024 22:34:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 ……….Well washed intestines stewed with collard, mustard and turnip greens with salt pork are Chitlins. I don't see them in supermarkets since the last decade. The elder generation that carried the tradition are mostly deceased. ….. Thankyou, I believe sale of intestines (tripe, brains, liver etc) is outlawed in the European Union? Though for local kills and sharing with relatives/friends it is allowed. We can still buy this stuff at butchers here in Australia. Denmark where one of my daughters lives is known as the pig/pork central. Maybe per head of population they have the most. I noted on the farms the animals are treated well. I hope Märklin does the same with their pigs.🐽 Kimball
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Jimmy Thompson		#13 Posted : 19 March 2024 22:37:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		You are quite welcome I do try to do my bit. As I recall the 3029 came in both 2-axle and 3-axle configurations e. g. there is a little nubbin just to the right of the drive gear (in earlier versions) which would be the tool location to drill the hole for 3rd axle. and when they put the 3rd axle in they had to account for the gear on the one side, which I believe is why that particular lok has a slightly offset set of axles, although it also has only one drive axle. p. s. The KLVM et al. frame has the gear mounted further "inboard" than the 3029 p. p. s. Now, why this frame was different from, say the 3000 which was already in production...I have no idea...(other than the 3000 driving all 3 axles (and thereby needing to have symmetrical axle alignment) (probably still only 1 axle with traction tires))... Edited by user 05 April 2025 12:49:24(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Jimmy Thompson		#14 Posted : 20 March 2024 21:15:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Quote: Adrian wrote: "a sound decoder of disturbing sounds." So. I checked Noch and Viessmann, and it seems they only do cows, sheep, and chickens (why no piggies gruntling in happiness? he asks innocently )...it may come to downloading a raft of Piggy sounds from somewhere on to a sound module. Addendum: Busch 5783 "On the Farm" does have piggy sounds, but only as 1 of 12 Farm/Tractor/animal Sounds...I suppose it could work... Perhaps another can find a module with sounds for our wonderful Good Luck!?!?
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Jimmy Thompson		#15 Posted : 07 April 2024 12:59:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		And lest we forget... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biIsmH9Rty4
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kimballthurlow		#16 Posted : 09 April 2024 00:38:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Thankyou Jimmy. That brought a smile to my dial. Kimball
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DV		#17 Posted : 10 April 2024 00:27:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/11/2009(UTC) Posts: 957 Location: Mount Barker, South Australia		Our Club's Pig running on our old modular layout during the 2013 Adelaide Model Railway Exhibition
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marklinist5999		#18 Posted : 10 April 2024 03:47:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Pork fat rules 🤤 It's running quite fast. I thought it was a 3000, or a br 81, which aren't that fast.
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Jimmy Thompson		#19 Posted : 10 April 2024 11:44:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		I have randomly thought it might be the KLVM/ALPHA chassis and motor (only one drive axle and single drive bars) - as I recall KLVM can scoot right along! The kids sure did like that on the layout!
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bph		#20 Posted : 10 April 2024 20:13:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,144		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson I have randomly thought it might be the KLVM/ALPHA chassis and motor (only one drive axle and single drive bars) - as I recall KLVM can scoot right along! The kids sure did like that on the layout! The PIG shares the chassis with ALPHA, which is a slightly modified 3104 BR89 series chassis, and has a DCM motor. The KLVM series like the 3087/3090, has a different chassis and a SFCM motor. (and is also different from the older 3029 series) 3104 exploded drawing: https://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/a4/a7/a4a7e0b8831e7c76533f35d1a7f847451434542014.pdf Alpha exploded drawing: https://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/96/ec/96ec02c98517761081b3f84206bfec751434541866.pdf 3090 exploded drawinghttps://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/33/b3/33b3e2ba620de54d6c4a1f1f1b5a8d261434542454.pdf And it would have been fun to fit a pig with a sound decoder....
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cookee_nz		#21 Posted : 11 April 2024 07:41:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,991 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson And lest we forget... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biIsmH9Rty4 SPCA don't like Hamsters, Guinea-Pigs or Rats in a wheel, but I don't recall anything about Pigs......
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Jimmy Thompson		#22 Posted : 11 April 2024 11:55:58(UTC) Retweet
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Jimmy Thompson		#23 Posted : 11 April 2024 13:43:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		"Pig Wheel keep on turnin'! Proud Märklin keep on runnin'! Rollin'! Rollin" Rollin' on the WUNDER-RAD!"
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kiwiAlan		#24 Posted : 11 April 2024 14:25:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson "Pig Wheel keep on turnin'! Proud Märklin keep on runnin'! Rollin'! Rollin" Rollin' on the WUNDER-RAD!"
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kimballthurlow		#25 Posted : 12 April 2024 00:45:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson And lest we forget... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biIsmH9Rty4 SPCA don't like Hamsters, Guinea-Pigs or Rats in a wheel, but I don't recall anything about Pigs...... Hi Steve, I wonder what the SPCA would think of Hamsters being used to clean the tracks in a model of the London Underground? The solution where the model layout can't be seen and with no access to the tunnels for cleaning. Kimball
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Jimmy Thompson		#26 Posted : 12 April 2024 12:18:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Hmmmm ...they might be tempted to build a nest...
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bgemski		#27 Posted : 12 April 2024 14:39:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/05/2003(UTC) Posts: 170 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson And one could always gather a few 44181 cars... Mmmmm...bacon Thats exactly what I did!!
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Goofy		#28 Posted : 12 April 2024 18:30:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		I did voted for No. It depends that i want Märklin start upgrade switch loco V60 instead. Sorry...but i am not interested to listen pigs voice screaming around the layout.
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cookee_nz		#29 Posted : 14 April 2024 03:16:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,991 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: Goofy I did voted for No. It depends that i want Märklin start upgrade switch loco V60 instead. Sorry...but i am not interested to listen pigs voice screaming around the layout. Now I'm really interested in a sound decoder for mine when it runs on the wheel, maybe with a button the audience (kids) can operate to make it squeel, or oink. Hmmmm it has appeal. But let's not call it a Wondersqueel
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kiwiAlan		#30 Posted : 14 April 2024 04:22:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: Goofy I did voted for No. It depends that i want Märklin start upgrade switch loco V60 instead. Sorry...but i am not interested to listen pigs voice screaming around the layout. Now I'm really interested in a sound decoder for mine when it runs on the wheel, maybe with a button the audience (kids) can operate to make it squeel, or oink. Hmmmm it has appeal. But let's not call it a Wondersqueel You could have it saying "I am not a ham-ster".
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Jimmy Thompson		#31 Posted : 14 April 2024 13:39:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Quote: cookie wrote: "But let's not call it a Wondersqueel" "Wondersqueel"...I would never have thought of that... Quote: Alan wrote: "You could have it saying "I am not a ham-ster" " Quote: cookie wrote: "...maybe with a button the audience (kids) can operate to make it squeel, or oink.' "
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Armando		#32 Posted : 15 April 2024 16:00:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		I cannot understand for the life of me how someone could possibly invest in such a horrible and tacky model. I know that "Schwein haben" means good luck in German, but even so...
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marklinist5999		#33 Posted : 15 April 2024 17:15:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Simple Armando 😄, PIGS ! Pig iron to make iron horses, pigs of society, like some oil magnates, etc, and the exploiting type in gender condescending demeanor and ethnicity. So three different ones, so beware of the dogs about. Things may not be as they seem. Animals 1977. If you know, you know.
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Armando		#34 Posted : 15 April 2024 17:21:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Animals 1977. If you know, you know. Are you referring to Pink Floyd's album of the same name?
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marklinist5999		#35 Posted : 15 April 2024 18:53:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		You got it!
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Jimmy Thompson		#36 Posted : 15 April 2024 19:26:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		but I think I will keep my pig on the rails!! Edited by user 07 May 2024 22:31:52(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Jimmy Thompson		#37 Posted : 08 May 2024 12:26:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		There is (almost) A Prototype for Everything... former Swiss "SäuliTram" from Basel. Now in the pig museum in Stuttgart. https://www.schweinemuseum.de/restaurant-en And the Coin on the roof is for its original sponsor from February 1990 to August 2001:
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Jimmy Thompson		#38 Posted : 08 May 2024 12:31:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		We could also call ours a KotteLett Von Märklin ?
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Jimmy Thompson		#39 Posted : 05 April 2025 13:09:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Cough, Cough...one could even possibly have this little item tagging along behind Piggy... https://www.keymodelworld.com/ar...palethorpes-van-oo-gauge With just the hook part of the coupler on Piggy, it might just work out
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Jimmy Thompson		#40 Posted : 12 April 2025 22:05:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 746 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		And...4415.500 44522 Lots of rolling stock for Piggy!!
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marklinist5999		#41 Posted : 13 April 2025 14:55:52(UTC) Retweet
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