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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 26 November 2023 21:26:18(UTC)
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I did noticed in Märklins homepage that V60 37689 are out of the stock.
Will this means Märklin present new V60 with new tooling and new motor?

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#2 Posted : 26 November 2023 22:25:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I did noticed in Märklins homepage that V60 37689 are out of the stock.
Will this means Märklin present new V60 with new tooling and new motor?


Or blue/cream with the same tooling?

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Offline Crazy Harry  
#3 Posted : 28 November 2023 03:10:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I did noticed in Märklins homepage that V60 37689 are out of the stock.
Will this means Märklin present new V60 with new tooling and new motor?


Or blue/cream with the same tooling?



It's part of the 'classic' line of models. Maybe production is running behind?
Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 28 November 2023 17:36:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Crazy Harry Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I did noticed in Märklins homepage that V60 37689 are out of the stock.
Will this means Märklin present new V60 with new tooling and new motor?


Or blue/cream with the same tooling?



It's part of the 'classic' line of models. Maybe production is running behind?


The wording on the product page would seem to indicate production of this item is being terminated, despite it being part of the Classic Line. I doubt it means new tooling or motor (but I could be surprised), but I wouldn't be surprised if it is a new colour scheme.

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#5 Posted : 11 December 2023 11:29:33(UTC)
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Märklin have announced two Desiro trains as new models for 2024 - 699€

https://www.maerklin.de/en/lp/2023/desiro

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Offline twmarklinfan  
#6 Posted : 12 December 2023 07:40:33(UTC)
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Looking forward to seeing more photos of the model and release date. I feel my 2024 budget already under strain!
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Offline IanC  
#7 Posted : 12 December 2023 11:48:34(UTC)
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By a strange coincidence, I rode one of these DB between Nurnberg and Bamberg last Saturday which seems to be the day before they were officially launched with the introduction of the winter timetable. Anyway, it's a definite for next years shopping list. Souvenir of our trip by Eurostar and ICE to Nuremberg, local trains to Rothenburg o d Tauber and Bamberg, and return.

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Offline mike c  
#8 Posted : 12 December 2023 21:06:56(UTC)
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https://www.maerklin.de/de/lp/2023/desiro

Here is the same notice in English (from the other topic): https://www.maerklin.de/en/lp/2023/desiro

This information appeared in another topic, but should be here in News From Märklin

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Offline mike c  
#9 Posted : 13 December 2023 00:04:12(UTC)
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I would have loved to see Maerklin make a version of the Stadler KISS, as there would likely have been SBB, BLS and other versions.

This should be a nice model and the price is decent for a 4 coach unit.

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#10 Posted : 13 December 2023 04:07:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
This information appeared in another topic, but should be here in News From Märklin


That's easily fixed, I've moved the other topic to 'News From Märklin', merged them both and corrected the title.
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Offline mbarreto  
#11 Posted : 15 December 2023 14:44:48(UTC)
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Best regards,
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Offline mbarreto  
#12 Posted : 15 December 2023 15:01:12(UTC)
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All modern electronics and motor, as expected!

Due to the electrics and electronics, Märklin could have designated the 18045 prototype reproduction a CCS900 :-)

I like the idea, but I don't know if this is a desirable collector's item due to the fact that is a reproduction...

Miguel


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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#13 Posted : 15 December 2023 15:39:41(UTC)
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Collecting Swedish items since the 80s / CS3+ / MSW / 60175 Booster / 60881 S88 AC / TC10 Gold / K, C-Tracks / Favorites Class Ra / modelltag.se - Forum modelltag.se - Facebook modelltag.se - YouTube
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Offline kweekalot  
#14 Posted : 15 December 2023 16:04:14(UTC)
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Now that's a very nice loco ! Love Love Love

Every now and then Marklin still produces Trix Express loco's and rolling stock.
If Marklin comes with this CCS 700 for Trix Express, I will definitely buy it.
The loco sure will look good on pre-war bakelite TE track and will look nicely with my other pre-war locos

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#15 Posted : 15 December 2023 16:05:19(UTC)
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Interesting item to produce. Will have to think about this one.

The price seems reasonable at 399 Euro - except it doesn't seem to have even basic sounds.


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Offline kweekalot  
#16 Posted : 15 December 2023 16:14:17(UTC)
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Who wants sound on a loco like that ?
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Offline Eurobahnfan  
#17 Posted : 16 December 2023 02:25:25(UTC)
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The sound of an open frame motor along with the smell of ozone is enough for me 😁

I wonder if they’ll offer some vintage looking freight wagons to go with it.
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Offline AntoinePrt  
#18 Posted : 16 December 2023 03:04:26(UTC)
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Who wants sound on a loco like that ?


Exactly what I was thinking!
The vintage looks are way enough.

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Offline Rocca  
#19 Posted : 16 December 2023 09:19:55(UTC)
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Hi, dear friend,
This Loco looks marvellous!!! I'ven't seen anything about the delivery time in the Shop. do you have any idea, when we'll be able to purchase it, please?
Best regards
Stefano

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#20 Posted : 16 December 2023 20:19:48(UTC)
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Hi, dear friend,
This Loco looks marvellous!!! I'ven't seen anything about the delivery time in the Shop. do you have any idea, when we'll be able to purchase it, please?
Best regards
Stefano


It will be available in the Marklineum in January, and delivery to dealers is in February.

Get your order in early to make sure you are allocated one if you want one, as the dealer gets only an allocation, they can't order as many as they like. Dealers will only find out in January what their allocated quantity is.

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Offline steventrain  
#21 Posted : 17 December 2023 22:18:09(UTC)
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Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#22 Posted : 18 December 2023 00:10:25(UTC)
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Oh, nice !!! Carl Zeiss as the theme, I'll have to get both the H0 ones, maybe a Z one as well. ThumpUp ThumpUp I like that they have done the Trix one in green and the Marklin one is oxide brown. I also like that the tin for the H0 models is decorated to look like a wooden box that the microscopes they made would have been shipped in. In some ways it is a shame they have done it as a tin, it would have been nice to have made it from wood, with a catch as pictured on the side of it.

My father repaired many Zeiss cameras, so I'm pretty familiar with the brand.
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Offline Bill L  
#23 Posted : 18 December 2023 21:06:33(UTC)
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I am interested in the new Replica Crocodile Edition of the first crocodile pattern from Märklin Gauge H0.
However, it must be able to run on my metal M track.
The latest 38440/38441 GE ES44 models will not run on my metal M track. They stop and lose current pick up on my 5207 double slip switches. Most of my older loks GE F7 and ALCO PA loks have no problem running on my metal M tracks.
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Offline mbarreto  
#24 Posted : 18 December 2023 22:20:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bill L Go to Quoted Post
I am interested in the new Replica Crocodile Edition of the first crocodile pattern from Märklin Gauge H0.
However, it must be able to run on my metal M track.
...


In the pdf it is written: "The flanges adhere to the current Märklin standard of 1.35 mm and can be run on the current track"

So, I am not sure at all it will run well on M track. I think it will be difficult on turnouts and crossings.


In the pdf also it is written: "Both trucks are powered with jackshafts and side rods."

So probably there will be a centrally mounted motor like the on modern Märklin electric locomotives...

Best regards,
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Offline vilithejou  
#25 Posted : 19 December 2023 12:53:21(UTC)
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Another new item 2024

https://www.maerklin.de/en/lp/2023/metropolitan

Metropolitan train set
Joan Vilarrúbia
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Offline GlennM  
#26 Posted : 19 December 2023 12:58:21(UTC)
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The new items seem to be coming thick and fast from Marklin with the announcement of the Metropolitan Express Train set just announced see link Metropolitan set

▰ Limited to 2,500 train sets worldwide
▰ Numbered certificate of authenticity is included
▰ Scale new design of the express train carriages in 1:87
▰ LED interior lighting installed as standard
▰ mfx digital decoder in the control car
▰ Light change and high beam on the control car can be controlled digitally
▰ Driver's cab and control panel lighting on the control car can be controlled digitally
▰ Locomotive with gaming world mfx+ digital decoder
▰ Various operating and sound functions
▰ High beam and cab lighting in the locomotive can be controlled digitally
▰ 4-pin separable couplings between the cars
▰ 2-pin separable couplings between the locomotive and car 1

IMG_2581.jpeg

IMG_2582.jpeg

I think is an excellent addition from Marklin and this is already on my 2024 list

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Offline H0  
#27 Posted : 19 December 2023 13:01:08(UTC)
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I think is an excellent addition from Marklin and this is already on my 2024 list
I'll wait for the Piko new items brochure to see if the coaches are available without interior lights. And maybe there will be a suitable loco, too.

The coaches are 1:87 and that could be problem on many older layouts.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#28 Posted : 19 December 2023 13:09:35(UTC)
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Metropolitan set coaches look like ICE 1 coaches. It will probably be nearing $1,000 US. Rather bland looking. Oh my, it's nearly $1,300 US. Traveling is the same as traveling. A week's euro rail pass is less.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#29 Posted : 19 December 2023 15:23:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
The new items seem to be coming thick and fast from Marklin with the announcement of the Metropolitan Express Train set just announced see link


They have already done this set in Minitrix (about 18 months ago IIRC), so not surprising to see it in H0.
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Offline mbarreto  
#30 Posted : 19 December 2023 15:46:04(UTC)
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It looks good, but to budget and space management, I am out. I am more into the Northlander and steamers. If I can get a CCS700, I will go to it too, but I
have the feeling it won't be easy.
Best regards,
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Offline H0  
#31 Posted : 19 December 2023 16:33:50(UTC)
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They have already done this set in Minitrix (about 18 months ago IIRC), so not surprising to see it in H0.
The coaches will come from Piko, not Märklin. That's why they are 303 mm long.

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Offline Armando  
#32 Posted : 19 December 2023 20:13:19(UTC)
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ROCO 2024 new items are already posted on their website. Go to "products" and select "new items" and then "H0".
(Although these may be remnants from the 2023 catalog that should have been produced this year).
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#33 Posted : 19 December 2023 23:30:36(UTC)
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.......

The coaches are 1:87 and that could be problem on many older layouts.


Hello Tom,
And I think scale length coaches of 285+mm can be a problem for many modern layouts too.

Example my layout was built 2007 to 2014 completely in C track.
It is in a shed 3.3m x 2.7m.
I do not purchase coaches longer than 285mm because on my R1 to R5 curves they look even more strange than the shorter coaches.

Kimball
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Offline mike c  
#34 Posted : 20 December 2023 01:49:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Armando Go to Quoted Post
ROCO 2024 new items are already posted on their website. Go to "products" and select "new items" and then "H0".
(Although these may be remnants from the 2023 catalog that should have been produced this year).


Roco did not release any Fall New Items, but did release a brochure with a selection of already announced 2023 models.
In the past week and a half, they released a number of last minute new offerings, which were announced as Pre-Christmas Surprise New Items "Vorweihnachtliche Überraschungsneuheiten". This week, they are referenced as Winter New Items on the Roco website.

Regards

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Offline mike c  
#35 Posted : 20 December 2023 01:52:55(UTC)
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I have been wondering why Maerklin announced the Desiro and Metropolitan models in advance of the normal New Items period.
I wonder if this was done in order to beat a rival company to the punch.

Since Maerklin is producing the Metropolitan with rival Piko, that reduces the list of potential rivals for that model significantly. LS Models had already released such a set. I have not heard any suggestion that LSM would be revisiting this model, leaving Roco as the possible rival here. As far as the Desiro, there already was a small production model, but there may also have been a competitor that was working on this model as a project.

I am still waiting for the traditional release dates in the next 21-30 days.

Regards

Mike C
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#36 Posted : 20 December 2023 02:09:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
.......

The coaches are 1:87 and that could be problem on many older layouts.


Hello Tom,
And I think scale length coaches of 285+mm can be a problem for many modern layouts too.

Example my layout was built 2007 to 2014 completely in C track.
It is in a shed 3.3m x 2.7m.
I do not purchase coaches longer than 285mm because on my R1 to R5 curves they look even more strange than the shorter coaches.

Kimball


Kimball this is very true although I think the R4 and R5 curves do not look quite as bad as the R1 curves. Another huge problem is the increased length which can cause problems in all aspects of the layout from station length to block length.

I hope you are well

BR

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Offline GlennM  
#37 Posted : 20 December 2023 02:12:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I have been wondering why Maerklin announced the Desiro and Metropolitan models in advance of the normal New Items period.
I wonder if this was done in order to beat a rival company to the punch.

Since Maerklin is producing the Metropolitan with rival Piko, that reduces the list of potential rivals for that model significantly. LS Models had already released such a set. I have not heard any suggestion that LSM would be revisiting this model, leaving Roco as the possible rival here. As far as the Desiro, there already was a small production model, but there may also have been a competitor that was working on this model as a project.

I am still waiting for the traditional release dates in the next 21-30 days.

Regards

Mike C


Mike,

As far as I can tell both Piko and Marklin announced the Metropolitan on the same day (not sure if similar time) and so I would assume this was pre-agreed marketing strategy and I am sure there will be more items to come in January.

For the Desiro maybe this is more about securing orders early, but it is nice to have some early teasers before the main event.

BR
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Offline AntoinePrt  
#38 Posted : 20 December 2023 04:20:25(UTC)
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Mike,

As far as I can tell both Piko and Marklin announced the Metropolitan on the same day (not sure if similar time) and so I would assume this was pre-agreed marketing strategy and I am sure there will be more items to come in January.

For the Desiro maybe this is more about securing orders early, but it is nice to have some early teasers before the main event.

BR


It’s not a « pre-agreed marketing strategy » …
Piko and Märklin have worked TOGETHER on the Metropolitan. It’s a common project. So obviously yes, they make the announcement together, the same day and at the same time … Piko sells the 2 tracks version. Märklin the AC version.

A.
Offline mike c  
#39 Posted : 20 December 2023 08:34:56(UTC)
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Part of it may be to secure orders for dealers before the competitor can announce their model. Maerklin definitely took a hit in Switzerland when Arwico/Piko got the Giruno model announced and to market first. I do not know whether Roco or other manufacturer intended to announce a model of the Desiro HC or the Metropolitan in January. It would make sense in some ways as both Roco and Piko had announced models of the air tight version of the Pilot coach which was adapted for the Metropolitan.

Piko, Roco, Maerklin and LS Models all have models of the BR101. LS Models already released a complete set in the Metropolitan livery. From what I have heard, the molds for this production were caught up in the Modern Gala bankruptcy and were not available to LSM in order to produce further models or a follow up production without significant additional work. I had not heard any suggestion that LSM/Lemke were working on a new edition of this model. Their current priority is the ET403.

I am hoping that we might see some new models of Stadler FLIRT and KISS type trains as my main interest is Swiss models. The SOB and BLS variants and the new SBB ones would be of great interest and there are international versions of those trains. Think Westbahn, DB FV, DB Regio, ÖBB and Caltrain to name a few.

I guess that we will see in the coming weeks what models will be coming from other manufacturers and which ones may rival the models already released.

Best regards

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Offline H0  
#40 Posted : 20 December 2023 09:40:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
I do not purchase coaches longer than 285mm because on my R1 to R5 curves they look even more strange than the shorter coaches.
Everybody makes the choices they like best.
With respect to appearance on curves, for me there is no significant difference between 282 mm coaches with dislocated pivot points and 292 or 303 mm coaches with correct pivot points.
With respect to obstacles on the inside of curves, the dislocated pivot points make a big difference.

Some folks had problems when they bought Märklin's 303 mm coaches for era III.
Some folks will have problems when they buy Märklin's 303 mm Piko coaches for era V.

It won't do harm to try a 316 mm dining coach when building a new layout.
Regards
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Offline marklinist5999  
#41 Posted : 20 December 2023 15:06:53(UTC)
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Fleischmann and Marklin made the br 610 railcar together, but Fleischmann and Roco anded up merging.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#42 Posted : 20 December 2023 19:10:57(UTC)
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It’s not a « pre-agreed marketing strategy » …
Piko and Märklin have worked TOGETHER on the Metropolitan. It’s a common project. So obviously yes, they make the announcement together, the same day and at the same time … Piko sells the 2 tracks version. Märklin the AC version.

A.


Well, I would class that as a 'pre-agreed marketing strategy' but I'm not here to debate that ...
Marklin and Piko did the same with the Cottbus loco, but were careful there to not sell into each others markets, so the Marklin H0 model was only ever 3 rail, and it didn't appear in the Trix catalogue as a 2 rail, and Pikos H0 model was only ever a 2 rail, and was never offered as a 3 rail. I assume Marklin and Trix will do the same with this set.

Marklin did do the Cottbus as a G1 IIRC, and Piko did it as an LGB sized one, even though they are both the same track gauge.
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#43 Posted : 20 December 2023 19:22:31(UTC)
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For the Desiro maybe this is more about securing orders early, but it is nice to have some early teasers before the main event.


I think this is more about when it will hit the market. They need to get the orders in to set the manufacturing batch size, and I suspect you will see these two items hit the market late Q1 or early Q2.

The replica crocodile that has been announced will be available from the Marklineum in January, and that is also when dealers will be told how large their allocation is, and then the dealer allocations are shipped in February. To meet that time scale that model will be already in production - i would think all the subassemblies will be complete before Christmas, so to deliver in January it is just an assembly of all the subassemblies in the completed model. That is why there is a fixed quantity and dealers cannot order as many as they like but have an allocation.

I suspect the Desiro will already be on the production line as well possibly, or very close to it (remembering that there is still a fair amount of stuff on the Lieferterm list to deliver, and some of that is Q1/Q2 delivery), which will be why they have announced it to get order quantities.

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#44 Posted : 24 December 2023 12:21:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Go to Quoted Post

It’s not a « pre-agreed marketing strategy » …
Piko and Märklin have worked TOGETHER on the Metropolitan. It’s a common project. So obviously yes, they make the announcement together, the same day and at the same time … Piko sells the 2 tracks version. Märklin the AC version.

A.


Well, I would class that as a 'pre-agreed marketing strategy' but I'm not here to debate that ...
Marklin and Piko did the same with the Cottbus loco, but were careful there to not sell into each others markets, so the Marklin H0 model was only ever 3 rail, and it didn't appear in the Trix catalogue as a 2 rail, and Pikos H0 model was only ever a 2 rail, and was never offered as a 3 rail. I assume Marklin and Trix will do the same with this set.

Marklin did do the Cottbus as a G1 IIRC, and Piko did it as an LGB sized one, even though they are both the same track gauge.


Looks like my analysis was correct, looking at the New Items on Modellbahn-Kramms front page. They show the Marklin set as AC, then two Piko sets as DC, one with sound, one without, then an additional coach set of 4 coaches from Piko.

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#45 Posted : 25 December 2023 17:46:07(UTC)
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Looks like my analysis was correct, looking at the New Items on Modellbahn-Kramms front page. They show the Marklin set as AC, then two Piko sets as DC, one with sound, one without, then an additional coach set of 4 coaches from Piko.



I had read (understood) that the coaches would be made by Piko and AC versions released as Maerklin.
It was not clear whether the BR 101 would be a Maerklin production or a Piko one, as both companies have models of that locomotive class.
The Maerklin model had a metal shell. I don't know whether the Piko model had a plastic or metal shell.
With the Cottbus BR 218, each company released their own model. They just reproduced the same livery on their models. AFAIK it was not AC and DC versions of the same model.

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#46 Posted : 25 December 2023 18:08:53(UTC)
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With the Cottbus BR 218, each company released their own model. They just reproduced the same livery on their models. AFAIK it was not AC and DC versions of the same model.


I would expect the same thing here, they each use existing loco models in their own range. They just don't produce a version that will fight with the other manufacturers market.

I am intrigued that Piko have produced a DC set with loco and three coaches, a DCC set with loco and three coaches, and then a four coach add-on set for either of them.

Marklin are doing a single seven coach item with loco instead of having a lower cost set with loco and an add-on coach set.
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#47 Posted : 26 December 2023 07:58:08(UTC)
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I never buy Pikos train models since it reports often faults with theirs train models.
If you want good quality buy Märklin train set instead.
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#48 Posted : 28 December 2023 07:42:53(UTC)
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Goofy,

personally, I have not had any problems with any of my Piko models and the Expert Line seems to be similar quality to the best Maerklin has to offer.
All companies have their Monday models that do not live up to expectations.

In any case, the Metropolitan will be a joint production between the two companies. I do not know if the DC version will have a DC version of the Maerklin locomotive or will be a Piko model. AFAIK the AC version will have a Maerklin locomotive.

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#49 Posted : 28 December 2023 08:02:51(UTC)
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Goofy,

I don't see any major difference of quality between Piko and Märklin with models I have. Piko is also a bit better on the customer support feedback and they don't repair with glue like Märklin is doing so-called genuine quality OhMyGod

Now we are talking about of repairing a normal Vectron (HOBBY) engine so let's understand they doesn't have parts somehow, and in the end I needed to repair it by my self like the original without glue.

Yes, I did have a call from a manager how disappointed he was of their result and situation, but this was after three time of delivery cost to Göppingen for which I request compensation. Honestly, did they compensate?

So please don't highlight M like a genuine quality brand if looking around of the latest models quality issues.......... especially their "Insider" model which should be a little extra.

The best way is if they bought Piko so they get a good stable factory in Asia now when the power bill (supported by Swedish energy) is so high in Göppingen LOL
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#50 Posted : 28 December 2023 11:32:13(UTC)
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I agree but as i did wrote in another topic is that there is always pro and cons.
Of course does Piko too have quality but not always.
Their sound decoder is one of the problems.
I visit Youtube by check after new train models made by Märklin, Trix, Brawa, ESU, Roco and Piko to watch by check after quality like functions.
I see forward news 2024 with all manufacture.
If i think right Märklin will present at week 3 with the news.
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