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Offline vilithejou  
#1 Posted : 10 January 2023 14:14:29(UTC)
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HiRoco 2023

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Offline marklinist5999  
#2 Posted : 10 January 2023 14:17:44(UTC)
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Knew you meant 2023, Thx!
Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#3 Posted : 10 January 2023 19:10:47(UTC)
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Swiss express RE 4/4II for me please!

Also- does anyone know what the set is on page 10 in the image? Its adorable but not in the catalogue!
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 10 January 2023 20:51:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Go to Quoted Post
Swiss express RE 4/4II for me please!

Also- does anyone know what the set is on page 10 in the image? Its adorable but not in the catalogue!


I was wondering that too, it is a cute little loco and wagons, but no information on any of it.

Further through it looks like they are playing catch-up with the Giruno - "to be announced soon" ...

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Offline marklinist5999  
#5 Posted : 10 January 2023 23:47:15(UTC)
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Alan, is that Page 59? I don't see a Giruno train, but a Dostro long distance double decker. I checed and rechecked. These will run from Basel to St. Gallen, and Zurich, not through the Cenari base tunnel.
I am liking the br 143 "white lady" too.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 10 January 2023 23:58:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Alan, is that Page 59? I don't see a Giruno train, but a Dostro long distance double decker. I checed and rechecked. These will run from Basel to St. Gallen, and Zurich, not through the Cenari base tunnel.
I am liking the br 143 "white lady" too.


That sounds about right (without checking). OK, so it's not the Girano ... Blushing
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Offline river6109  
#7 Posted : 11 January 2023 06:46:46(UTC)
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I'm surprised they're already announcing another ÖBB steam loco Rh 77 for 2023 but haven't delivered the new items for 2022 for a black version.

SBB Re 4/4 11108 has been very popular with the HAG version and has been on sale second hand many times (AC & DC version), I've bought 3 with 2 the same loco number 1 x 11103, I prefer the DC version as you don't have to change the motor which can get expensive.
I don't like their steam locos as the main drive is in the tender
Roco has always been a manufacturer who manufactures foreign locos mainly from the former eastern block and it looks like people from these countries have taken up the hobby and also can afford to buy them now.

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Offline Goofy  
#8 Posted : 11 January 2023 10:39:09(UTC)
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Good news is that Zimo sound decoder are MS type which means there is mfx protocol. Zimo do have better sounds than Märklin.
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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#9 Posted : 12 January 2023 21:46:06(UTC)
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Wonder how many 3R version they will get sold of Dm3 900 Confused

OK, Märklin was crazy made but it must be wasted production investment..........
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#10 Posted : 12 January 2023 22:29:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post
Wonder how many 3R version they will get sold of Dm3 900 Confused

OK, Märklin was crazy made but it must be wasted production investment..........


I was looking at the Br24 for 419 Euro, against Marklins 219 Euro for a 3624x series.

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Offline marklinist5999  
#11 Posted : 13 January 2023 03:31:16(UTC)
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For double the price it better have twice the functions..
Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 13 January 2023 08:13:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
For double the price it better have twice the functions..
My Märklin BR 24 came with "Made in China" on the box.
The Roco model is not "Made in China" AFAIK and it has many separately applied details. That probably explains the higher price.

More decoder functions are cheap - just add some silly sound functions, the modern decoders have enough memory anyway.

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Offline marklinist5999  
#13 Posted : 13 January 2023 13:22:40(UTC)
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Roco also makes some Locos in Vietnam, which cost's about the same as in China. Romania is a bit more, but still a bit less than in Hungary. My br 38 #39380 box says Germany, and was priced over $400, and has intricate seperate details also.
Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#14 Posted : 13 January 2023 19:37:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Roco also makes some Locos in Vietnam, which cost's about the same as in China. Romania is a bit more, but still a bit less than in Hungary. My br 38 #39380 box says Germany, and was priced over $400, and has intricate seperate details also.


In fairness to Roco- and I really appreciate them for this- they charge notably less for the Vietnamese production items, which are usually older toolings and simpler models. my BE 4/6 in AC (no sound) was $185 new a few years ago. Compare that to Marklin at $550 and the Roco was a very easy decision... (and nicer in several ways such as the roof detailing)

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Offline David Dewar  
#15 Posted : 14 January 2023 13:37:11(UTC)
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Dont know where my Marklin BR24 was made but it runs well and I could buy two for the cost of the Roco. Maybe I am missing some detail but as I dont know what It would be so does not bother me.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Goofy  
#16 Posted : 14 January 2023 16:11:07(UTC)
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Rocos new BR 038 are expensive but there is lot of functions outputs.
With Zimo sound decoder MS... and synchronized steam puffing smoke!
Better than Märklins BR 38?

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Offline marklinist5999  
#17 Posted : 14 January 2023 16:31:20(UTC)
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Perhaps? If it weights a bit more like the Roco br 218's do, it's in the frames. Albeit, the drivers cabs aren't as large or detailed as Marklins. The dynamic smoke adds realism.
Is it like saying was the Opel Senator or Omega better than the Ford Granada/Scorpio?
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