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Offline cookee_nz  
#1 Posted : 29 August 2021 13:29:19(UTC)
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Sad to see this grand old lady fall to this state.....

https://www.ebay.de/itm/...rt=nc&orig_cvip=true

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#2 Posted : 29 August 2021 13:46:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Sad to see this grand old lady fall to this state.....

https://www.ebay.de/itm/...toolid=10001&mkevt=1


Ay, 'tis rather sad. I guess whoever buys it will be buying it for the box.

As a restoration project it will need a rather large amount spent on it although all the problems appear to be in the chassis, the body shells themselves appear to be fine.

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Offline marklinist5999  
#3 Posted : 29 August 2021 20:28:06(UTC)
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Says it drives fine! Thus, the gearing, axles, motor, siderods, and frame axle journals miust be ok. By chassis being refered to as anything but drreamlike mean cosmetic? Paint is an easy restoration.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 29 August 2021 21:05:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Says it drives fine! Thus, the gearing, axles, motor, siderods, and frame axle journals miust be ok. By chassis being refered to as anything but drreamlike mean cosmetic? Paint is an easy restoration.


Well, I can't see how it 'drives fine' ... there is a broken wheel, one end the chassis has so many cracks on the casting I don't see how it could be run at all ... maybe he means the motor runs when held in the hand.

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Offline mvd71  
#5 Posted : 30 August 2021 00:11:25(UTC)
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I wonder how many of these locos there are sitting in display cabinets that cannot be run due to a failed chassis?
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Offline cookee_nz  
#6 Posted : 30 August 2021 10:26:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Says it drives fine! Thus, the gearing, axles, motor, siderods, and frame axle journals miust be ok. By chassis being refered to as anything but drreamlike mean cosmetic? Paint is an easy restoration.


Going to need a bit more than paint.... and yet it still sold for 2000 Euros. !!


s-l1600.jpg



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Offline cookee_nz  
#7 Posted : 30 August 2021 10:32:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Sad to see this grand old lady fall to this state.....

https://www.ebay.de/itm/...toolid=10001&mkevt=1


Ay, 'tis rather sad. I guess whoever buys it will be buying it for the box.

As a restoration project it will need a rather large amount spent on it although all the problems appear to be in the chassis, the body shells themselves appear to be fine.



Nope, the body shells are shot as well, maybe the center housing is ok?

Grabbed some photos while I could for when the link expires

s-l1600 (4).jpg
s-l1600 (1).jpg
s-l1600 (3).jpg

s-l1600 (2).jpg
s-l1600 (5).jpg
s-l1600.jpg

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Offline xxup  
#8 Posted : 30 August 2021 11:45:32(UTC)
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They will need to pack that loco very well or any vibration will result in a box full of crumbs.. What an absolute tragedy, but how can it still be worth 2,000 euro in that state?
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Offline PJMärklin  
#9 Posted : 30 August 2021 12:22:51(UTC)
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how can it still be worth 2,000 euro in that state?


Indeed; probably not from salvageable parts alone ? Confused
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Offline marklinist5999  
#10 Posted : 30 August 2021 12:32:26(UTC)
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How can it even be restored? A replacement frame? Soldering of the body shell cracks? Zinc pest is prevalent throughout castings. It spreads.
Offline river6109  
#11 Posted : 30 August 2021 16:14:18(UTC)
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Looks like some grave robber has been at work and dug it out
https://www.youtube.com/river6109
https://www.youtube.com/6109river
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Offline cookee_nz  
#12 Posted : 30 August 2021 22:49:40(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
how can it still be worth 2,000 euro in that state?


Indeed; probably not from salvageable parts alone ? Confused


Exactly. If there was a part by part listing of which parts on it are actually good, and then compare the cost for replacements from Ritter (for example) that might give some indication.

The original box and papers obviously has its own value as well, what might that be, 'maybe' 100-200 Euro's ??

Actually sold for 2,232.22 so even allowing 232.22 for the box, that's still 2,000 euro for all the parts. I can't see it.

Bit if you look at it from another angle, let's assume you had the required damaged parts to restore it, would it still even be worth the 2200 as a complete (restored) item?

Crazy is the world. Crazy

Even the Gents over on FAM are perplexed at the achieved price...

http://www.altemodellbah...im-Originalkarton-1.html



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Offline river6109  
#13 Posted : 31 August 2021 12:35:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
how can it still be worth 2,000 euro in that state?


Indeed; probably not from salvageable parts alone ? Confused


Exactly. If there was a part by part listing of which parts on it are actually good, and then compare the cost for replacements from Ritter (for example) that might give some indication.

The original box and papers obviously has its own value as well, what might that be, 'maybe' 100-200 Euro's ??

Actually sold for 2,232.22 so even allowing 232.22 for the box, that's still 2,000 euro for all the parts. I can't see it.

Bit if you look at it from another angle, let's assume you had the required damaged parts to restore it, would it still even be worth the 2200 as a complete (restored) item?

Crazy is the world. Crazy

Even the Gents over on FAM are perplexed at the achieved price...

http://www.altemodellbah...im-Originalkarton-1.html


I've asked my self the same question, how much is it worth after repairing it, I can't see there is any profit in it unless you want to keep it but than again why buying such a damaged model when you can buy a similar for the same price but in good order.

https://www.youtube.com/river6109
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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#14 Posted : 31 August 2021 19:23:20(UTC)
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It seems crazy, but a complete one fetches double or triple that even when the frames are replaced. The early version (version 1-4) kroks fetch extra crazy prices.

Paul
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Offline smurfillo  
#15 Posted : 14 November 2021 20:03:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Says it drives fine! Thus, the gearing, axles, motor, siderods, and frame axle journals miust be ok. By chassis being refered to as anything but drreamlike mean cosmetic? Paint is an easy restoration.


Going to need a bit more than paint.... and yet it still sold for 2000 Euros. !!


s-l1600.jpg





Only the box value is 1000€


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Offline smurfillo  
#16 Posted : 14 November 2021 20:16:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Go to Quoted Post
It seems crazy, but a complete one fetches double or triple that even when the frames are replaced. The early version (version 1-4) kroks fetch extra crazy prices.

Paul


Today was sold one v800.1 like new 5830€ (but I suspect it was restored, too good for be real :-))


https://www.ebay.de/itm/294517473885
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#17 Posted : 23 December 2021 02:23:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: smurfillo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Go to Quoted Post
It seems crazy, but a complete one fetches double or triple that even when the frames are replaced. The early version (version 1-4) kroks fetch extra crazy prices.

Paul


Today was sold one v800.1 like new 5830€ (but I suspect it was restored, too good for be real :-))


https://www.ebay.de/itm/294517473885


this one looks completely restored - I don't even think the paint is original. But the box is indeed original, just for a later version. So much wrong with this loco.

Paul

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