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cookee_nz		#1 Posted : 29 August 2021 13:29:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 4,012 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Sad to see this grand old lady fall to this state..... https://www.ebay.de/itm/...rt=nc&orig_cvip=true Edited by user 30 August 2021 10:27:22(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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kiwiAlan		#2 Posted : 29 August 2021 13:46:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,512 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Sad to see this grand old lady fall to this state..... https://www.ebay.de/itm/...toolid=10001&mkevt=1 Ay, 'tis rather sad. I guess whoever buys it will be buying it for the box. As a restoration project it will need a rather large amount spent on it although all the problems appear to be in the chassis, the body shells themselves appear to be fine.

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marklinist5999		#3 Posted : 29 August 2021 20:28:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,965 Location: Michigan, Troy		Says it drives fine! Thus, the gearing, axles, motor, siderods, and frame axle journals miust be ok. By chassis being refered to as anything but drreamlike mean cosmetic? Paint is an easy restoration.

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kiwiAlan		#4 Posted : 29 August 2021 21:05:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,512 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Says it drives fine! Thus, the gearing, axles, motor, siderods, and frame axle journals miust be ok. By chassis being refered to as anything but drreamlike mean cosmetic? Paint is an easy restoration. Well, I can't see how it 'drives fine' ... there is a broken wheel, one end the chassis has so many cracks on the casting I don't see how it could be run at all ... maybe he means the motor runs when held in the hand.

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mvd71		#5 Posted : 30 August 2021 00:11:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,935 Location: Auckland,		I wonder how many of these locos there are sitting in display cabinets that cannot be run due to a failed chassis?

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cookee_nz		#6 Posted : 30 August 2021 10:26:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 4,012 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Says it drives fine! Thus, the gearing, axles, motor, siderods, and frame axle journals miust be ok. By chassis being refered to as anything but drreamlike mean cosmetic? Paint is an easy restoration. Going to need a bit more than paint.... and yet it still sold for 2000 Euros. !!
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cookee_nz		#7 Posted : 30 August 2021 10:32:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 4,012 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Sad to see this grand old lady fall to this state..... https://www.ebay.de/itm/...toolid=10001&mkevt=1 Ay, 'tis rather sad. I guess whoever buys it will be buying it for the box. As a restoration project it will need a rather large amount spent on it although all the problems appear to be in the chassis, the body shells themselves appear to be fine. Nope, the body shells are shot as well, maybe the center housing is ok? Grabbed some photos while I could for when the link expires
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xxup		#8 Posted : 30 August 2021 11:45:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,611 Location: Australia		They will need to pack that loco very well or any vibration will result in a box full of crumbs.. What an absolute tragedy, but how can it still be worth 2,000 euro in that state?
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PJMärklin		#9 Posted : 30 August 2021 12:22:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,266 Location: Hobart, Australia		Originally Posted by: xxup how can it still be worth 2,000 euro in that state? Indeed; probably not from salvageable parts alone ?

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marklinist5999		#10 Posted : 30 August 2021 12:32:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,965 Location: Michigan, Troy		How can it even be restored? A replacement frame? Soldering of the body shell cracks? Zinc pest is prevalent throughout castings. It spreads.


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river6109		#11 Posted : 30 August 2021 16:14:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Looks like some grave robber has been at work and dug it out
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cookee_nz		#12 Posted : 30 August 2021 22:49:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 4,012 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Originally Posted by: xxup how can it still be worth 2,000 euro in that state? Indeed; probably not from salvageable parts alone ? Exactly. If there was a part by part listing of which parts on it are actually good, and then compare the cost for replacements from Ritter (for example) that might give some indication. The original box and papers obviously has its own value as well, what might that be, 'maybe' 100-200 Euro's ?? Actually sold for 2,232.22 so even allowing 232.22 for the box, that's still 2,000 euro for all the parts. I can't see it. Bit if you look at it from another angle, let's assume you had the required damaged parts to restore it, would it still even be worth the 2200 as a complete (restored) item? Crazy is the world. Crazy Even the Gents over on FAM are perplexed at the achieved price... http://www.altemodellbah...im-Originalkarton-1.html
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river6109		#13 Posted : 31 August 2021 12:35:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Originally Posted by: xxup how can it still be worth 2,000 euro in that state? Indeed; probably not from salvageable parts alone ? Exactly. If there was a part by part listing of which parts on it are actually good, and then compare the cost for replacements from Ritter (for example) that might give some indication. The original box and papers obviously has its own value as well, what might that be, 'maybe' 100-200 Euro's ?? Actually sold for 2,232.22 so even allowing 232.22 for the box, that's still 2,000 euro for all the parts. I can't see it. Bit if you look at it from another angle, let's assume you had the required damaged parts to restore it, would it still even be worth the 2200 as a complete (restored) item? Crazy is the world. Crazy Even the Gents over on FAM are perplexed at the achieved price... http://www.altemodellbah...im-Originalkarton-1.html I've asked my self the same question, how much is it worth after repairing it, I can't see there is any profit in it unless you want to keep it but than again why buying such a damaged model when you can buy a similar for the same price but in good order.
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#14 Posted : 31 August 2021 19:23:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		It seems crazy, but a complete one fetches double or triple that even when the frames are replaced. The early version (version 1-4) kroks fetch extra crazy prices. Paul
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smurfillo		#15 Posted : 14 November 2021 20:03:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2011(UTC) Posts: 96 Location: Spain		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Says it drives fine! Thus, the gearing, axles, motor, siderods, and frame axle journals miust be ok. By chassis being refered to as anything but drreamlike mean cosmetic? Paint is an easy restoration. Going to need a bit more than paint.... and yet it still sold for 2000 Euros. !! Only the box value is 1000€

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smurfillo		#16 Posted : 14 November 2021 20:16:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2011(UTC) Posts: 96 Location: Spain		Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 It seems crazy, but a complete one fetches double or triple that even when the frames are replaced. The early version (version 1-4) kroks fetch extra crazy prices. Paul Today was sold one v800.1 like new 5830€ (but I suspect it was restored, too good for be real :-)) https://www.ebay.de/itm/294517473885


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CCS800KrokHunter3		#17 Posted : 23 December 2021 02:23:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Originally Posted by: smurfillo Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 It seems crazy, but a complete one fetches double or triple that even when the frames are replaced. The early version (version 1-4) kroks fetch extra crazy prices. Paul Today was sold one v800.1 like new 5830€ (but I suspect it was restored, too good for be real :-)) https://www.ebay.de/itm/294517473885 this one looks completely restored - I don't even think the paint is original. But the box is indeed original, just for a later version. So much wrong with this loco. Paul
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