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Offline QQQ1970  
#1 Posted : 28 November 2020 01:09:07(UTC)
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The old 60065 is 19V DC 50W. The new 60045 is 15V DC 50W. Any advantage or disadvantage using the 15V PSU instead of old 19V?

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 28 November 2020 01:44:12(UTC)
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There's no practical difference, other than the old power supply having a fixed power cable, the new one having a removable cable. 60045 also has a switchable output of 19 volts / 60 watts AC voltage or 15 volts / 50 watts DC. The 15 volt setting might be intended for N gauge Minitrix trains, with 19v intended for H0 and 1 gauge trains.
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Offline QQQ1970  
#3 Posted : 28 November 2020 02:01:35(UTC)
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Since I only run H0, would it be better to get the old version with 19V DC instead of the new 15V DC PSU?
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#4 Posted : 28 November 2020 04:47:11(UTC)
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If you can get one, it won't hurt but the old power supplies are being phased out and replaced by the new ones. You might also see a DE, GB versions of the 240v power supply. There is no difference with these power supplies other than the type of mains plug on them.

Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
....instead of the new 15V DC PSU?


To be clear, the new power supply is not a 15v DC output supply it is a switchable 19v / 15v DC output supply so you can still use it - just switch it to the 19v setting if you are using it with H0 trains.
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Offline QQQ1970  
#5 Posted : 28 November 2020 05:14:50(UTC)
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From Marklin website it suggests 19V is AC not DC.

This is a switched mode power pack for connections to and supplying power to the 60216, 60226 Central Station as well as the 60213-60215 Central Station and the 60175 and 60174 Boosters. Output 19 volts / 60 watts AC voltage or 15 volts / 50 watts DC voltage (can be switched with a slider switch). This is a tabletop switched mode power pack. It comes in a plastic housing. The unit has mounting tabs. Dimensions 116 x 72 x 65 mm / 4-9/16" x 2-13/16" x 2-9/16". Connections: 4-pin mini DIN high current plug.
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#6 Posted : 28 November 2020 06:39:01(UTC)
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Well if you know this already why did you ask?

I wonder if that is a typo, since the old 60061 / 60065 supplies are listed as 19v DC?
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Offline QQQ1970  
#7 Posted : 28 November 2020 07:30:25(UTC)
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Assuming there is no typo, I wonder is there advantage to use 15V DC vs 19V DC in the old model? That was my original question.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#8 Posted : 28 November 2020 07:56:26(UTC)
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I think I've already answered that.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#9 Posted : 28 November 2020 15:15:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
From Marklin website it suggests 19V is AC not DC.

This is a switched mode power pack for connections to and supplying power to the 60216, 60226 Central Station as well as the 60213-60215 Central Station and the 60175 and 60174 Boosters. Output 19 volts / 60 watts AC voltage or 15 volts / 50 watts DC voltage (can be switched with a slider switch). This is a tabletop switched mode power pack. It comes in a plastic housing. The unit has mounting tabs. Dimensions 116 x 72 x 65 mm / 4-9/16" x 2-13/16" x 2-9/16". Connections: 4-pin mini DIN high current plug.


On a switched mode power supply I would be very surprised if it had an AC output. I think the 19V AC is a copy and paste or transcribing error.
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Offline QQQ1970  
#10 Posted : 28 November 2020 15:29:22(UTC)
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I tend to think so too but want to check with those of you who have 60045 before I invest in one. 60W 60045 is better than 50W for 60065.
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Offline michelvr  
#11 Posted : 28 November 2020 16:05:55(UTC)
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Electrics change and standards are improved so if it was my $ I would buy the latest items. My 2 cents worth of advise. BigGrin
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Offline QQQ1970  
#12 Posted : 28 November 2020 16:25:15(UTC)
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Thanks. I checked with local dealer and both options are DC outputs. The 15V 50W is for Minitrix.
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Offline QQQ1970  
#13 Posted : 28 November 2020 20:11:08(UTC)
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Bought it. The manual says DC but the box English text says AC 19V or DC 15V. It confused everyone.
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Offline TEEWolf  
#14 Posted : 28 November 2020 20:46:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
Bought it. The manual says DC but the box English text says AC 19V or DC 15V. It confused everyone.


Sorry Sir, not everyone. The text at Maerklin's German website reads as follows:

"Switching power supply unit for connection or supply of the Central Station 60216, 60226 as well as 60213-60215 and the booster 60175 and 60174. Output 19 V/60 W or 15V/50 W DC voltage (switchable by slide switch). Table power supply unit in plastic housing. Fixing straps. Dimensions 116 x 72 x 65 mm. Connection: 4-pin mini DIN high current plug."
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Offline QQQ1970  
#15 Posted : 28 November 2020 20:53:59(UTC)
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See box pic.

20201128_144956.jpg
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Offline clapcott  
#16 Posted : 28 November 2020 23:43:27(UTC)
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As a side branch, with a reference to the Marklin provided documentation and terminology ...

Marklins website fails to link a manual to the 60043,60045 or 60046 in their naivety, however a manual is available via a link against the 60041.

That said it is worth appreciating that the power supply , without power cable, has the part number 960041.
https://static.maerklin....7728ba3c5e1591100066.pdf
333889/0520/Sc4Ef

(Ignoring the fact that the tech writers of the manual cannot even bother to get the image of the power supply to match what is being sold much less a view that shows the cord connection(s) )

It is the Bundling of the 960041 with an appropriate cable that turns the single item into a marketing package
- 60041 Schaltnetzteil 50/60 VA, 100 - 240 Volt, DE/EU Marketing image
- 60042 Schaltnetzteil 50/60 VA, 100 - 240 Volt, UK Marketing image
- 60043 Schaltnetzteil 50/60 VA, 100 - 240 Volt, AU Marketing image
- 60045 Schaltnetzteil 50/60 VA, 100 - 240 Volt, US Marketing image
- 60046 Schaltnetzteil 50/60 VA, 100 - 240 Volt, JP Marketing image


It is rather disappointing that the manual makes a text reference, in the cover page , to the 5 product offerings "by their numbers", but otherwise quite fails to distinguish the difference as being the power cord.

More importantly, it does not offer the part number for just the power cord .
The international references are alluded to , which is good but far from comprehensive. And how hard is it to include an image (which is available on the website)

The cable from the power pack to the layout may not be
changed, replaced, or lengthened.
For U.S. only: The detachable power cable must be at least of type SP-2, SPE-2, SPT-2, SV, SVE, SVT
and must be longer than 3 feet, but must not be longer than 10 feet.
It must be fitted with NEMA 1-15 or 1-15P plug and appliance coupler C7.
Do not use an extension cord.

The IEC C7 bit (which is the "figure 8" coupler reference) should be enough to tell you that you can find the cable for your geo. in a local electrical store.
Peter
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Offline TEEWolf  
#17 Posted : 29 November 2020 00:31:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
See box pic.

20201128_144956.jpg


Oh no - thanks for the picture. But it does not surprise Maerklin is printing this text on their boxes too. Is there a text in German as well on this box?

Maerklin is well known about its strange English. E.g. M names the CS central station, although a main train station in a city is normally called central station not a computer. I think the most known one is the Grand Central Station in New York City.
In the German language sometimes you say for a central station "Zentralbahnhof" instead of "Hauptbahnhof". But "zentral" can be translated by the word "central" too, but as far as I know not in connection with a computer. Probably saying for CS "controller station" name this computer much clearer than "central station".
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#18 Posted : 29 November 2020 01:24:13(UTC)
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German text makes no mention of AC
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#19 Posted : 29 November 2020 02:37:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
The text at Maerklin's German website reads as follows:

"Switching power supply unit for connection or supply of the Central Station 60216, 60226 as well as 60213-60215 and the booster 60175 and 60174. Output 19 V/60 W or 15V/50 W DC voltage (switchable by slide switch). Table power supply unit in plastic housing. Fixing straps. Dimensions 116 x 72 x 65 mm. Connection: 4-pin mini DIN high current plug."


Actually, no it doesn't.....But yes it does (sort of).

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Note the 2 letters after 'Output 19 V/60 watts'

'AC voltage'!

The German text version however makes no mention of 'AC Voltage'.
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#20 Posted : 29 November 2020 10:34:33(UTC)
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Some germans are just stupid... Laugh
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#21 Posted : 29 November 2020 13:43:18(UTC)
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Interesting that the illustration of the product label in the instruction manual shows a 'double insulated' symbol with the legend "not valid in US and Canada".

Wonder why this statement exists.
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#22 Posted : 30 November 2020 02:36:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
16066093331197906717350100641076.jpg

German text makes no mention of AC


Thanks and yes, this is what the original version at Märklin's German website is saying too. Did not know Maerklin is doing such bad and wrong information at its English website version and product boxes. It is very bad they cannot even translate their own words.
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#23 Posted : 01 December 2020 19:13:34(UTC)
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It is probably down to a lack of proper proof reading and cross checking.
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#24 Posted : 02 December 2020 08:11:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
It is probably down to a lack of proper proof reading and cross checking.
It's also lack of domain knowledge - they hire translators without special train knowledge.

And we have seen security advices that did not make any sense after translation - that is potentially dangerous and no longer funny.

Proof reading by train experts would surely improve the situation.
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