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Offline CrownVic  
#1 Posted : 08 May 2020 18:33:26(UTC)
CrownVic

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I’m looking to add some steam locomotives to my collection. I read in some posts that some locomotives made in the late 90s contain plastic gears that might wear out prematurely.

Then I was looking at the older 3005 made in the 60s. Then I came across this youtube video.

At 1:05

Plastic gears.JPG

According to the video, it’s version 7 built from 1961-64. It has at least two gears made of plastic. What’s your opinion? Should these locomotives with plastic gears be avoided?

I don’t know how easy gears are to replace. I just don’t like to buy something with a known “weak link” in the chain.

Thanks for commenting.
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Offline mvd71  
#2 Posted : 08 May 2020 20:49:34(UTC)
mvd71

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They are nylon gears which have a self lubricating property. I don't believe there is anything wrong with these, and they certainly have stood the test of time!

In terms of gear replacement, it isn't too hard for someone who is reasonably practical and has a few hand tool skills.

Cheers....

Mike
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#3 Posted : 09 May 2020 13:43:21(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Märklin started using nylon gears (one per loco) from 1956 or so. The purpose was to reduce the noise.
It is used quite a lot in all servo motors, it is much less expensive, more precise than metal ones and working good.
Jean
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Offline foumaro  
#4 Posted : 09 May 2020 15:39:58(UTC)
foumaro

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Location: Attiki Athens Greece
Never use oil for lubricate plastic gears,only grease.A perfect solution is trix 66626 grease.
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Offline applor  
#5 Posted : 14 May 2020 01:22:45(UTC)
applor

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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
You should use oil to lubricate the shaft though. A plastic safe oil such as Faller 170488 is suitable for this.
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
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Offline TrainIride  
#6 Posted : 14 May 2020 13:39:01(UTC)
TrainIride

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Location: FRANCE
Hi,

I have also some old used locos with nylon gears.
I never had any trouble with them.
I use Märklin 7149 oil without special care.

best Regards
Joël

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Offline jvuye  
#7 Posted : 14 May 2020 16:56:44(UTC)
jvuye

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Location: South Western France
These plastic are not wearing out significantly faster than metal ones, although if your locos are running mostly under heavy loads and on automated layouts with lots of starts and stops, they will need replacement faster than metal ones.

Changing worn gears in a Märklin loco is not particularly difficult (I have done it for decades and you can learn that "skill" in 5 minutes..) you just need a small press with the proper inserts (depending on the axle diameter, but a 2 mm one will solve 95% of the cases)

And you'll need to have a few small wooden blocks tu support the chassis and insure to set the gear axle properly aligned with the press.

Marklin introduced these Delrin gears in a feeble attempt to reduce the noise in their locos.

I say "feeble" because it was just another "cheap shot" of the penny-conscious Schwaben in Goeppingen to solve a basic manufacturing problem.

For the longest time, Märklin gears have been stamped out of a steel ribbon using a shaped die .

This is the cheapest way to produce gears.

Cost being primordial, precison is only a second consideration in "toys" .

But gears can only be "silent" if the teeth are cut following an accurate profile (involute épicycloïdal) which guarantees when truly perfect a friction free transmission of the movement as the surfaces of teh meshing teeths are **rolling** on each other instead of **sliding** , the latter generating friction
It's the friction from that "sliding" that causes the noise.

Simple.

Some locos were quieter, some noisier.

Hit and miss.

If you were lucky enough to get a loco with (all new) gears from a brand new die tooling, the profile was way better than after the same die would have cut of few thousands of the same gears.
So plastic gears being formed by plastic injection was a much cheaper process, and with a somewhat "better" precision...Wink

But...in practice since Marklin continued to mix plastic meshing with metal gears, the *rubbing** (and the noise!!) was still there BigGrin BigGrin , and the plastic gears would wear out eventually (sometimes faster as metal ones..) especially under heavy loads.

In my years of repairing Märklin locos, I started to cut my own replacement gears, in brass, on a milling machine using a set of Mod 0.4 involute cutting gears.
This allowed many restorations of locos that went back to their owners running way more silent than originals.

Nowadays practically all gears are either plastic or machined on CNC controlled gear cutting machines.
Precision and consitency are better and consequently, Marklin locos tend to be quieter and smoother.

I guess we have mostly learned to love that "noise" that is so characteristic of good old Märklin locos! Laugh Wink RollEyes
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
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