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Offline PeterF7  
#1 Posted : 17 March 2020 00:04:03(UTC)
PeterF7

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Hi All,

I bought a used Crocodile off eBay and it did not come with a manual. I looked on the Marklin site and it appears that it did not have one originally. The serial number starts off with H00 so I'm assuming that this Croc was manufactured in 2000.

It has a parts list at:
https://www.maerklin.de/...elnummer=3756&lang=2
but the schematic labeled for a 3356. I'm assuming the model number changed but the internals did not.

On the underside, there is a 120 degree angled lever. On the above schematic, it is just to the left of the number 33 (to the left of the 3356 label and below the right pantograph). Does anyone know what that lever does and what position it should be in for various functions???

It almost looks like it could be moved to draw power from the pantographs. Any help would be appreciated.


Offline PeterF7  
#2 Posted : 17 March 2020 00:28:57(UTC)
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This is in reference to my original post. I'm new to trying to link to an internal article and pictures. The name of the topic is:
Märklin 3352 Ce 6/8 Crocodile, Digital Conversion
and the picture is the fourth one in posting #2.

Hopefully, one of this links will take you to the photo with the above lever.

https://www.marklin-user...rce.ashx?p=38442&b=1
https://www.marklin-user...ile--Digital-Conversion#
https://www.marklin-user...rce.ashx?i=38442&b=1
https://www.marklin-user...al-Conversion#post541388




Offline ktsolias  
#3 Posted : 17 March 2020 08:37:53(UTC)
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Hi

The lever is to change between rail and catenary operation.

In my pictures the lever is in the position to take power from the center rail on the rails.

The position in my photos is for the rails feed.

If you post a photo of the loco may be we can tell you witch exactly is.

Regards

Costas
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 17 March 2020 11:52:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post

It has a parts list at:
https://www.maerklin.de/...elnummer=3756&lang=2
but the schematic labeled for a 3356. I'm assuming the model number changed but the internals did not.


The 3356 has an old style analogue reversing unit.
The 3756 is the same mechanically but has a digital decoder instead of the reversing unit.
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Offline PeterF7  
#5 Posted : 17 March 2020 14:28:52(UTC)
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Hello ktsolias!!

Thank you for your quick reply. Smile

Attached is a photo of the switch position. The switch is to the left of the left yellow hand rail and above the prominent rail wheel. It is not easy to spot so I added an arrow where the point is directly on the switch.

Is it possible for the switch to be in a "middle" position where it can draw current from both the center rail and the catenary?

TIA

LokSwitch.JPG

Offline PeterF7  
#6 Posted : 17 March 2020 14:55:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post

It has a parts list at:
https://www.maerklin.de/...elnummer=3756&lang=2
but the schematic labeled for a 3356. I'm assuming the model number changed but the internals did not.


The 3356 has an old style analogue reversing unit.
The 3756 is the same mechanically but has a digital decoder instead of the reversing unit.


Also thank you for your quick reply!!

It looks like the diagram has the reversing unit as I see parts labeled: Fahrtrichtungsschalter and
Schaltschieberfeder for Direction switch and Switch slide spring, respectively.

Does the cover have to be removed to change direction on the 3356? The reason I ask is that there appears to be some electronics on the unit just below the "49" in the attached diagram but the switch itself appears to be mechanical:

switch3356.PNG

This looks like a good candidate for a motor/decoder upgrade. Does this affect the value of a Lok when one goes to sell it?



Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 17 March 2020 14:55:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post
The serial number starts off with H00 so I'm assuming that this Croc was manufactured in 2000.
An orange serial number beginning with "H0" actually indicates year 2000. And it shows digital high-efficiency propulsion (37xx or 37xxx ref. number or equivalent loco from a starter set).
Märklin number 3756, Koll number 3756.10.

See also:
https://www.marklin-user...comotive-s-serial-number
Regards
Tom
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Offline PeterF7  
#8 Posted : 17 March 2020 16:01:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post
The serial number starts off with H00 so I'm assuming that this Croc was manufactured in 2000.
An orange serial number beginning with "H0" actually indicates year 2000. And it shows digital high-efficiency propulsion (37xx or 37xxx ref. number or equivalent loco from a starter set).
Märklin number 3756, Koll number 3756.10.

See also:
https://www.marklin-user...comotive-s-serial-number


I was wondering about whether it has a high efficiency propulsion system or not. The 3356 parts diagram shows a 3 - pole motor. This is what came up when I searched on "3756":

Marklin3756Parts.PNG

You can see the 3756 in the URL window and the 3356 on the parts sheet. Part #26 is a 3-pole motor. Koll's 2019 reference manual lists this Kroc as DIG * (High Performance Drive) which would imply a 5-pole motor and it would go along with what you and your link are indicating.

A Lok built in 2000 would likely need to be upgraded at least electronically to take advantage of the newer features. Is it worth it? I see a lot of "yes" votes.

BTW, I hope you shampooed your carpet!!! <-- ROFLBTCUTS RollEyes
Offline Bart  
#9 Posted : 17 March 2020 17:02:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post
I was wondering about whether it has a high efficiency propulsion system or not.

3356 (3-pole motor / delta decoder) and 3756 (5-pole / 6090 decoder) were both produced approx. 1994-2004.
Both have the 13305 road number as shown in your pic.

If you want to be sure about the motor and decoder, you should open it.
If not:
- The orange H00 serial number proves that it is a 3756 5-pole, unless someone has ripped the motor and decoder
- I suppose you have no box, as that would help: a white 3356 box vs. a grey 3756 box
- If you test drive and start with full throttle: does it have gradual acceleration/deceleration? If so, it is a 3756 with 6090 decoder, if not, is is either a 3356, or a 3756 with acc/dec turned off.
If still in doubt: just open it.

You are correct that the download for 3756 in the Märklin database erroneously links to the 3356 sheet. That is just an error and does not tell you anything about your loco.
*Bart
Offline ktsolias  
#10 Posted : 17 March 2020 17:07:56(UTC)
ktsolias

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Is the 3756 from 2000

In the serial No

H = Digital
Orange H00xxxx means 2000

Catalog 2000/01 page 100

Costas
Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 17 March 2020 17:18:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ktsolias Go to Quoted Post
H = Digital
Orange H00xxxx means 2000
Orange H0xxxxx means 2000, there is only the last digit of the year in an orange serial number.

Regards
Tom
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Offline PeterF7  
#12 Posted : 17 March 2020 17:58:01(UTC)
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Hello Bart, ktsolias & H0,

Thank you all for responding so quickly!! it is much appreciated.

To answer your questions and respond to your comments:

The serial number is orange: H003xxxx
The box is gray.
I haven't had a chance yet to run the engine to test it out. While we are "social distancing", the "honey do" list was dusted off...
I'll let you all know sometime in the next few days.



Offline mike c  
#13 Posted : 17 March 2020 21:02:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post
Is it possible for the switch to be in a "middle" position where it can draw current from both the center rail and the catenary?


No, for the simple reason that you have the option of controlling trains from either the catenary or the track, which enabled separate control of different locomotives on an analog layout and bridging the two would link the two circuits and could damage the respective transformers and potentially result in live output from the plug of the other transformer (if unplugged).

Regards

Mike C
Offline Bart  
#14 Posted : 18 March 2020 17:00:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post

The serial number is orange: H003xxxx
The box is gray.

No reasonable doubt that you have a 3756 with 5-pole motor and 6090 decoder.
If your doubt was just based on the 3356 spare parts sheet that is linked to the 3756 record in the Märklin database - don't worry, that is just a link error.

Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post

This looks like a good candidate for a motor/decoder upgrade. Does this affect the value of a Lok when one goes to sell it?

No need to upgrade a good old 5p/6090 - unless you insist on mfx or sound.
There have been so many Croc versions released since 2007 with mfx and sound, that there won't be a huge market for an upgraded 3756
*Bart
Offline PeterF7  
#15 Posted : 18 March 2020 17:32:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bart Go to Quoted Post

No reasonable doubt that you have a 3756 with 5-pole motor and 6090 decoder.
If your doubt was just based on the 3356 spare parts sheet that is linked to the 3756 record in the Märklin database - don't worry, that is just a link error.

Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post

This looks like a good candidate for a motor/decoder upgrade. Does this affect the value of a Lok when one goes to sell it?

No need to upgrade a good old 5p/6090 - unless you insist on mfx or sound.
There have been so many Croc versions released since 2007 with mfx and sound, that there won't be a huge market for an upgraded 3756


I sent an email off to customer service noting the error. I assume it will be on the low end of their priority list. I'm not intending that to be a slam but a realistic assessment. They have responded to my prior emails but it took awhile.

I won't try to upgrade any time soon. Just enjoy it!!

BTW, that's a beautiful blue Kroc you have. What model number is it?
Offline Bart  
#16 Posted : 21 March 2020 14:15:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post

BTW, that's a beautiful blue Kroc you have. What model number is it?


37564, made for the Belgian dealer Olaerts in 2014.

The model was inspired by old photographs of the 14305 where it appeared to be blueish
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See:
https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/t26422-Marklin-37564-Crocodile-Blue-limited-to-999
*Bart
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