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Offline Janne75  
#1 Posted : 06 February 2020 22:55:18(UTC)
Janne75

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Hi all,

These are probably just dumb questions but I have to ask these as I don’t have any experience installing Märklin current conducting close couplers (in NEM pockets). I have a few sets of coaches I want to use these with. I ordered 50 pcs. of these.

With TEE coaches that have factory installed interior lights these should work just fine as they have at the moment current conducting draw bars which are really PITA to put coaches on the track or off the track. This TEE coach set has one or two current pick-up shoes. Similar to my DRG Rheingold 41928 set which has table lights and current conducting close couplers from the factory.

But I have also DRG coaches like 43211 etc. All coaches have their own current pick-up shoe as almost twenty years ago I installed Märklin lightning kits to all these coaches. Is it now possible to just use one or two current pick-up shoes (in the first and the last one) with these coaches and take off those other ones? Then install current conducting close couplers between the coaches?

I have many SNCF Märklin 4244, 4245 and 4246 coaches also with their own current pick-up shoes/sliders. These have Märklin interior lightning kits installed. Is it possible to use with these also only 1-2 pick-up shoes and be able to have lights in all coaches with these current conducting close couplers?

I want to install these couplers also to my DB 27 cm long coaches from 29855 starter set and the extension coach set. There is not any interior light kits installed yet, but I understood that these coaches should be better ready to current conducting couplers. So is it like I only have to change the couplers to current conducting close couplers and install Märklin interior light kits or do I need something else too? If yes what do I need then?

Thank you very much in advance! I’m not an expert in these coach interior light things... RollEyes

Regards,
Janne

Edited by user 12 February 2020 23:59:47(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Agneaux  
#2 Posted : 07 February 2020 01:37:59(UTC)
Agneaux

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When marklin states that coaches "are prepared for lighting" they usually have the conducting plate already installed in the bogies.
This connects the couplers with the lighting kit. The coupler makes contact with one end and the lighting plugs into the other.
Note that theses are large 4-axle bogies. Can't remember doing any single axle carriages.

Check the marklin database for the correct lighting kit. The bogie plate differs, depending on the carriage and the bogies installed on it
I'm sure that the kits come with the plates anyway for the older models. When updating newing models, you'll have parts left over.

Do a google image search for catalogue number. this will show you the difference between the two types. At least two types IIRC.

This is my recollection of how it all works.


EDIT: memories return.
Quote:
I have many SNCF Märklin 4244, 4245 and 4246 coaches also with their own current pick-up shoes/sliders. These have Märklin interior lightning kits installed. Is it possible to use with these also only 1-2 pick-up shoes and be able to have lights in all coaches with these current conducting close couplers?

these may be carriages that dont have any hardware like the bogie plate. Connecting the coupler to the lighting might be difficult, if not impossible.
this is what i meant about carriages with single fixed axles compared to twin axle bogies.
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Offline Agneaux  
#3 Posted : 07 February 2020 01:52:31(UTC)
Agneaux

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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,

they have at the moment current conducting draw bars which are really PITA to put coaches on the track or off the track. This TEE coach set has one or two current pick-up shoes. Similar to my DRG Rheingold 41928

Regards,
Janne


try using those drawbars on the 42283 metal set. the carriages are so heavy that one coupler eventually slips out and you have two half-trains.
i think theres a coupler set that is just couplers and not a "kit" without any more hardware. these should just plug in.
You lose the close coupling effect (unless theres a newer version that fixes this).

Offline Janne75  
#4 Posted : 07 February 2020 11:12:35(UTC)
Janne75

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Originally Posted by: Agneaux Go to Quoted Post
When marklin states that coaches "are prepared for lighting" they usually have the conducting plate already installed in the bogies.
This connects the couplers with the lighting kit. The coupler makes contact with one end and the lighting plugs into the other.
Note that theses are large 4-axle bogies. Can't remember doing any single axle carriages.

Check the marklin database for the correct lighting kit. The bogie plate differs, depending on the carriage and the bogies installed on it
I'm sure that the kits come with the plates anyway for the older models. When updating newing models, you'll have parts left over.

Do a google image search for catalogue number. this will show you the difference between the two types. At least two types IIRC.

This is my recollection of how it all works.


EDIT: memories return.
Quote:
I have many SNCF Märklin 4244, 4245 and 4246 coaches also with their own current pick-up shoes/sliders. These have Märklin interior lightning kits installed. Is it possible to use with these also only 1-2 pick-up shoes and be able to have lights in all coaches with these current conducting close couplers?

these may be carriages that dont have any hardware like the bogie plate. Connecting the coupler to the lighting might be difficult, if not impossible.
this is what i meant about carriages with single fixed axles compared to twin axle bogies.


Hi and thank you for your help

These SNCF 4244, 4245 and 4246 are also four axle coaches. So maybe also these have those conducting plates already installed in the bogies?

It seems like this will be then easier than I first thought. I will soon get those current conducting close couplers so I will test how it goes.

Regards,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline rhfil  
#5 Posted : 07 February 2020 15:51:10(UTC)
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I would also be interested as I have a couple of cars that I would like to light up and installing the drawbar is a pain. In fact I will check to see if the drawbar connects with the coupling by installing one on the car I have lit up to see if there is continuity between the drawbar and the coupling.
Offline rhfil  
#6 Posted : 07 February 2020 18:36:42(UTC)
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I just looked at the manuals for the 72020 and the 72021 and the 72020 seems to be for cars without drawbars and existing lighting while the 72021 seems to be for cars with drawbars and lighting and if you want to replace the drawbars on all but one of the cars. Would love to see or hear your success with the cars without lighting as I would like to do the same with some of my cars.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#7 Posted : 07 February 2020 22:03:39(UTC)
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Hi

Most Märklin passenger cars are not equipped with a slider, a ground return on one of the bogie, a contact tongue on the draw bar.
If you want to illuminate your cars you must install the contact tongue on each draw bar (by far the most delicate thing to do because you need to dis-assemble completely the passenger car, must not lose the central return springs).
Also you need on each car a ground return flat spring (in contact with the 2 axles of one bogie).
and of course the lighting set.
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Offline Agneaux  
#8 Posted : 08 February 2020 05:26:14(UTC)
Agneaux

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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Hi

Most Märklin passenger cars are not equipped with a slider, a ground return on one of the bogie, a contact tongue on the draw bar.
If you want to illuminate your cars you must install the contact tongue on each draw bar (by far the most delicate thing to do because you need to dis-assemble completely the passenger car, must not lose the central return springs).
Also you need on each car a ground return flat spring (in contact with the 2 axles of one bogie).
and of course the lighting set.
Cheers
Jean


^^ all of this.
If your coach doesnt say "prepared for internal lighting" in the description then you have some work as stated above.

Quote:

These SNCF 4244, 4245 and 4246 are also four axle coaches. So maybe also these have those conducting plates already installed in the bogies?

Sorry, youre better placed to decide on that than I am. My guess is that, that specific coach set regardless of livery, will have its own unique lighting set.

The 42757 set was issued in 2002, yet the cars in that set all had slightly differing lighting and I think all had a slider.
the 42767 set issued in 2015? - gets around this problem by dispensing with lighting and the pre-fitment altogether. Not even sure if the diner has lit tables.

M-users 42767 dicsuss

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Offline Janne75  
#9 Posted : 08 February 2020 09:48:56(UTC)
Janne75

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Hi all,

I should get those current conducting close couplers in the beginning of the next week. I opened many types of my coaches like 29855 starter set DB same as 42758 set, plastic silberlinge from some starter set 29820?, those DRG coaches already installed with interior light kits (43201, 43211, 43221, 43231, 43261) and so on. All of these have those metal ”brass?” plates near the couplings in the end of the coaches already installed from the factory. I think this is what makes all of these ”already ready for current conducting close couplers”. But are those NEM sockets also current conducting or how will current go through otherwise? They look like plastic ones but are they made conductive?

I also opened one of that type SNCF 4244, 4245, 4246 and it does not have those ”brass metal plates” in the floor of the coaches so this convinces me about that these are not ”already ready for current conducting close couplers”. It was also the only coach type that I had problems to put it back together as it is very tight in the center section of the body. I decided I will not open again that type of coach.

Interesting that I found out that one of my older era 1 set 42754 all coaches have interior lights factory installed. I had forgot this... But lights are only working in those end baggage coaches as these have sliders. Soon I will install current conducting couplers so this set is easy to get interior lights working in all coaches.

Regards,
Janne

Edited by user 09 February 2020 12:21:31(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline JohnjeanB  
#10 Posted : 08 February 2020 19:49:57(UTC)
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Hi
On Märklin passenger cars I purchased in the last 10 years, the construction includes:
- a frame (plastic) with 2 axle holes for bogies
- 2 bogies with a hollow axle to clip on the frame and to receive the slider
- a metal rectangular iron plate (to add weight)
- 2 coupler mechanisms (a V-shaped piece (Deichsel in German) and its coil spring. They look like this
UserPostedImage
Plse disregard the text I used on a German forum.
- 2 brass plates to hold the coupler mechanisms in place.

This is also what Märklin calls "prepared for lighting".

To have a lighting you need to add:
- a current-conducting coupler (unless you want a slider per car instead of one per consist)
- a flat contact spring that is inserted into the coupler pocket at one end and has the same V- shape of the coupler mechanism. (see note 1)
- an illumination bloc (LEDs)
- a ground pick-up shoe ("H" shaped to be clipsed in one bogie with a ground (brown) wire.

Note 1 : What Märklin could easily do is to factory install this flat contact spring to avoid a complete disassembling of every car when you want to install lights.
For the end user it is a delicate operation that can result in damaging the car by breaking the tiny plastic locking tabs or, losing the mechanism coil spring.
In fact the Preparation means that you can purchase the parts (above) and disassemble and reassemble the whole car.
Competitors more and more sell lighted cars directly with light intensity adjustment.
Sorry for the long yakkeddy yak but it is shocking (I think) that Märklin forces us to such a delicate operation when it could be far simpler.
Cheers
Jean
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Offline Janne75  
#11 Posted : 12 February 2020 23:55:17(UTC)
Janne75

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Hi all,

I got those 50 pcs. current conducting close couplers. Now they are installed to those six TEE coaches and also to six DRG 432xx series coaches. I removed sliders from four of these DRG coaches and left them in the end coaches. Now the lights work perfectly without too much noise and friction from many sliders. Märklin 42754 set is also now equipped with current conducting couplers and work perfectly. I will order some lightning kits 11 x Märklin 7330 for eight 29855/42758 type coaches and three ”Silberlinge” coaches from 29845 starter set. I won a few auctions so I can extend my DRG 432xx train from six coaches to eleven coaches. I bought Märklin 43258 and 43259 DRG sets. They will also get these current conducting close couplers (I had to order more of them... Wink ) and lightning kits 4 x 73150 and 1 x 73155.

I also won an auction of Märklin 43290 ”Merkur” set. These have factory installed interior lightning and current conducting close couplers.

I will not even try to open those SNCF 4244, 4245 and 4246 coaches. They are so difficult to put back together as the sides are so tight fit. Best to let them be just how they are now. One slider per coach. Noisy? Yes! BigGrin

I have one Märklin set DRG 42762 with different type current conducting couplers but I don’t know the manufacturer. These are not compatible with Märklin close couplers. Problem is there are not any sliders in this set. Only interior lightning installed and those odd looking ”like hand shaking” current conducting couplers. I have an extension set of two coaches for this 42762 set = 42763 set with normal Märklin couplers and no interior lightning. I have to figure this out how to get lights to this nice old train consist.

Cheers,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline Agneaux  
#12 Posted : 18 February 2020 10:31:00(UTC)
Agneaux

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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post

I have one Märklin set DRG 42762 with different type current conducting couplers but I don’t know the manufacturer. These are not compatible with Märklin close couplers. Problem is there are not any sliders in this set. Only interior lightning installed and those odd looking ”like hand shaking” current conducting couplers. I have an extension set of two coaches for this 42762 set = 42763 set with normal Märklin couplers and no interior lightning. I have to figure this out how to get lights to this nice old train consist.

Cheers,
Janne


I would have thought that the Mitropa car would have the slider? I can't remember.


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