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Offline doublereefed  
#1 Posted : 22 January 2020 18:03:46(UTC)
doublereefed

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Greetings,

I have an Aster live steam BR 86. I live in the state of Utah in the USA. I have always admired Marklin models but have no experience with modeling German railways.

I would like to model a plausible mixed freight branchline train to go with my BR 86. I'd like to model the 1950's.

From what I can learn, a 1950's train could include wagons from Era II, but only some from Era III. For example, is this type of box van too modern for 1950's? I have scrubbed online and can't find an era listing for these.

box car JPG.png

Also, I'd like to use a set of 2 or 3 Donnerbuchse for the passengar cars. It also looks like I could use Umbauwagen, as they started to appear mid-1950's. Given that Donnerbuchse date back to the 1930's, were Donnerbuchse ever converted to Umbauwagen in the 1950s? Would these type of Umbauwagen actually have been deployed on branch lines?

umbauwagen.jpg

Thanks in advance,

-Richard
Offline Alsterstreek  
#2 Posted : 22 January 2020 20:19:02(UTC)
Alsterstreek

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Originally Posted by: doublereefed Go to Quoted Post
I have an Aster live steam BR 86.
So, we are speaking about gauge 1?

Originally Posted by: doublereefed Go to Quoted Post
For example, is this type of box van too modern for 1950's? I have scrubbed online and can't find an era listing for these.
The listing (sorry, German only) of Märklin art. 5879 Kühlwagen Sinalco
https://www.lokmuseum.de...o&Seite=111&SID=

Originally Posted by: doublereefed Go to Quoted Post
Given that Donnerbuchse date back to the 1930's, were Donnerbuchse ever converted to Umbauwagen in the 1950s?
Maybe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbau-Wagen

Originally Posted by: doublereefed Go to Quoted Post

Would these type of Umbauwagen actually have been deployed on branch lines?
Yes.

Bonus pix:

Class 86 steamer (scroll down):
http://www.bundesbahnzeit.de/seite.php?id=144

Tank engine-hauled three-axle Umbauwagen (scroll down):
http://www.bundesbahnzei...20und%20kleine%20Mikados
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Offline doublereefed  
#3 Posted : 22 January 2020 22:00:00(UTC)
doublereefed

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Alsterstreek,

Yes, Gauge One. Or Spur 1 I think we should say!

THANK YOU for taking the time to reply. It's fun to try to learn these things but I'm just at the start.

That lokmuseum database is perfect. Many thanks for pointing me to that.

OK, so I'm headed in the right direction with Umbauwagen. I like them because they are so unique with that 3rd axle.

The links to the Bonus Pix are tremendous. GREAT stuff there. I will try a few search in bundesbahnzeit, see if I can find some mixed trains led by BR 86.

I notice that the lokmusuem listing for this car shows "kuhlwagon". Were all of these types of cars with the doors kuhlwagons (refridgerated or iced cars?)

box car JPG copy.jpg

Thanks again,

-Richard

Offline Alsterstreek  
#4 Posted : 22 January 2020 22:19:13(UTC)
Alsterstreek

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Happy to help.
:o)
Originally Posted by: doublereefed Go to Quoted Post

Were all of these types of cars with the doors kuhlwagons (refridgerated or iced cars?)

No, those covers you circled are standard box car ventilation openings. Actually, the entire car looks rather like a standard box car painted white. I believe there is some artistic license involved. Maybe Sinalco soft drinks didn’t need sophisticated cooling. Maybe this forum´s beer car collector community knows more?

Here is a drawing of a “classic” contemporary West German mechanic reefer (with insulated doors etc):

3596974E-2E1E-469C-9F85-ACBDFE473BE8.jpeg

P.S.: I have fond memories of travelling through Utah.

Edited by user 23 January 2020 22:51:56(UTC)  | Reason: Typo

Offline doublereefed  
#5 Posted : 23 January 2020 20:42:24(UTC)
doublereefed

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Very interesting. Thank you for all the great info.
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Offline Martti Mäntylä  
#6 Posted : 23 January 2020 21:50:09(UTC)
Martti Mäntylä

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Likewise, thanks for enlightenment! Especially the photos in www.bundesbahnzeit.de were fantastic.
- Martti M.
Era III analog & digital (Rocrail, CAN Digital Bahn, Gleisbox/MS2, K83/K84), C & M tracks, some Spur 1
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Offline doublereefed  
#7 Posted : 24 January 2020 05:42:45(UTC)
doublereefed

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Location: Utah, Midway
Quick question: how are mixed trains referred to in German so I can do a search? Also, what is the correct term for branch line?
Offline Alsterstreek  
#8 Posted : 24 January 2020 10:03:25(UTC)
Alsterstreek

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Mixed train = „gemischter Zug“
Alternatively:
Freight train with passenger service = „Güterzug mit Personenbeförderung“
Passenger train with freight transport =
„Personenzug mit Güterbeförderung“

Branch line = „Nebenbahn“

Edited by user 24 January 2020 15:22:07(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline doublereefed  
#9 Posted : 24 January 2020 23:04:44(UTC)
doublereefed

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Location: Utah, Midway
Thank you Alsterstreek!
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