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BombasPC		#1 Posted : 23 December 2019 19:43:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Lisbon		Hi, I need your help one more time. I purchased an old Marklin 3147 Locomotive as being digital. I have a mobile station 2 and it is unable to automatically find the loco. I tried then through the database list and 3147 doesn't seem to exist. Then i tried manually by choosing all the addresses from 1 to 80, and again, the loco is not recognise. The loco turns the front light on, when the MBS2 is finding it, sometimes the lights blink, and some times I can hear a very low and quick sound from the engine, but the Loco never moves. Am I doing something wrong? I opened the loco and I can't see any dip switches. I took a photo, could you please let me know if it could be digital? Thank you, Paulo
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Unholz		#2 Posted : 23 December 2019 20:56:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,392 Location: Switzerland		Hi, unfortunately your picture of the decoder (?) is not very clear, but if it is actually a decoder I would guess that it could be one from Uhlenbrock like in this Stummi-Forum thread: https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=143431 The 3147 was produced quite a long time ago, and the early models were not yet equipped for digital operation.
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Dave Banks		#3 Posted : 23 December 2019 21:00:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,026 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Paulo this locomotive has been converted from its original (Analog) to Digital. Simple way to find the address as you do not have the equipment to find the address electronically is to just go through all the address namely from 1 to 80 individually. Its tedious but you will get hopefully a result.From the picture that looks like one of Marklin's FX bottom of the range decoders fitted to "hobby line" locos. Pity the last owner did not tell you what the address was. http://maerklin-sammler-infos.d...otiven/03147/03147_m.htm
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kiwiAlan		#4 Posted : 23 December 2019 22:42:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,101 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		It has a large capacitor attached to the decoder, which looks like it is being used as a keep alive capacitor. This could be stopping the controller identifying the address automatically.
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DaleSchultz		#5 Posted : 23 December 2019 22:53:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		you will need to place the loco on a programming track of a controller that can read the address from the decoder.
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DaleSchultz		#6 Posted : 23 December 2019 22:54:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		tip: looks for a handwritten number written on the box or on the loco, many people write the loco address down.....
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Purellum		#7 Posted : 23 December 2019 22:58:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Could the decoder be DCC ? Paolo wrote that he tried all addresses from 1 to 80; but on which protocol ? Per.
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BombasPC		#8 Posted : 24 December 2019 19:37:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Lisbon		thank you for your answers, In fact I tried 1 to 80 in DCC, should I try the other ones? I think is MM2 Programable and MM2 Switches. I don't have the original box, so I'm not bale to check it. I opened the loco again and I took a more detailed picture. What for me is weird is that the Loco doesn't move at all, when I place some other Delta Locos in the track, and they are in analog mode, the locos start running like hell. This one doesn't move, only turns the lights on. The detailed picture:
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Goofy		#9 Posted : 24 December 2019 20:00:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		You did bought this loco as second hand but did you know if the loco does work before you did bought it?? It seems fault decoder and i cannot identification decoder in the pictures. I recommended you buy a new decoder from Märklin or ESU lokpilot. By the way...what kind of motor is it?
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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BombasPC		#10 Posted : 24 December 2019 23:12:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Lisbon		Originally Posted by: Goofy You did bought this loco as second hand but did you know if the loco does work before you did bought it?? It seems fault decoder and i cannot identification decoder in the pictures. I recommended you buy a new decoder from Märklin or ESU lokpilot. By the way...what kind of motor is it? I bought it from ebay from a seller with thousands of positive feedback, he assures me that it was working..... but I am not sure..... regarding the motor.... how can i know it? :) To replace the decoder is it something easy and will I be able to do it? Paulo
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Dave Banks		#11 Posted : 25 December 2019 00:06:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,026 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		[Hello Paulo, Merry Christmas to you. Have you checked if you can get the motor to move by pushing on the big cog that drives the motor to see if it is freed up or seized? Also if you can check if power is getting to the motor via a test lamp. That will tell us that the motor is or is not getting power. I have never seen a decoder like that before & I believe a ESU lokpilot replacement would be the way to go.You also need to either change the whole motor or at best you will need a permanent magnet if you believe the motor still to be good. If your confident enough with your soldering skills I am sure you can do it. We are here to guide you if in doubt. http://www.marklin.me/3072.htm Just something you may want to look at before you attempt any sort of conversion with this particular model: https://simpledigitalloc...m/br-212-m3072-3147.html Dave... Edited by user 25 December 2019 07:57:16(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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bph		#12 Posted : 25 December 2019 00:14:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 994		I believe you have a LD-W-3 decoder from Tams Elektronik GmbH (tams-online.de) Try to reset and reprogram the decoder according to the manual: https://tams-online.de/epages/642f1858-c39b-4b7d-af86-f6a1feaca0e4.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/642f1858-c39b-4b7d-af86-f6a1feaca0e4/Categories/Download1/Anleitungen_fruehere_Produkte/Lokdecoder try that, before you start replacing the decoder. If you need a new decoder you can start looking at this simple option, 60906. several makers have more advanced ones with sound etc. Its quite doable if you have some soldering skills.
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Goofy		#13 Posted : 25 December 2019 11:37:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: bph I believe you have a LD-W-3 decoder from Tams Elektronik GmbH (tams-online.de) Try to reset and reprogram the decoder according to the manual: https://tams-online.de/epages/642f1858-c39b-4b7d-af86-f6a1feaca0e4.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/642f1858-c39b-4b7d-af86-f6a1feaca0e4/Categories/Download1/Anleitungen_fruehere_Produkte/Lokdecoder try that, before you start replacing the decoder. If you need a new decoder you can start looking at this simple option, 60906. several makers have more advanced ones with sound etc. Its quite doable if you have some soldering skills. Before to reset decoder you must first know decoder adress by set it. The locomotive adress must first call up before to reset decoder.
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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Purellum		#14 Posted : 25 December 2019 12:13:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy Before to reset decoder you must first know decoder adress by set it. The locomotive adress must first call up before to reset decoder. No, just RTFM Per.
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BombasPC		#15 Posted : 25 December 2019 13:12:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Lisbon		RTFM stands for what?
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Purellum		#16 Posted : 25 December 2019 13:25:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: BombasPC RTFM stands for what? Read The hmmm Fantastic Manual Bph gave you a link already; but here's a link directly to the relevant manual: https://tams-online.de/W...003_LD-G-3_LD-W-3_GB.pdf Start on page 35; which will tell you to read on page 33 Per.
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kiwiAlan		#17 Posted : 25 December 2019 14:25:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,101 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: BombasPC RTFM stands for what? Read The Fine Manual (other interpretations are often given to the third word ... .
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BombasPC		#18 Posted : 25 December 2019 15:24:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Lisbon		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: BombasPC RTFM stands for what? Read The hmmm Fantastic Manual Bph gave you a link already; but here's a link directly to the relevant manual: https://tams-online.de/W...003_LD-G-3_LD-W-3_GB.pdf Start on page 35; which will tell you to read on page 33 Per. thank you, I read the manual, can I do the programming with a Mobile Station 2?
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Purellum		#19 Posted : 25 December 2019 17:39:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: BombasPC can I do the programming with a Mobile Station 2? I really don't know; I've never tried with this type of decoder The decoder is made 5 years before the MS2 came from Märklin, so it could be impossible There's a small chance you can run your loco, if you try this, and then find the right address: 1: Do a factory reset on your MS2 2: Enable only MM2 / disable DCC and MFX 3: Find an old loco in the loco list, e.g. 3618 4: Try all addresses from 1 to 80 by changing the address of the 3618 in the MS2 This is not programming your loco to any other address; but hopefully finding the address used by the previous owner. If this doesn't work, I have no more ideas; maybe others here can help. Per.
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Goofy		#20 Posted : 25 December 2019 19:56:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: BombasPC can I do the programming with a Mobile Station 2? I really don't know; I've never tried with this type of decoder The decoder is made 5 years before the MS2 came from Märklin, so it could be impossible There's a small chance you can run your loco, if you try this, and then find the right address: 1: Do a factory reset on your MS2 2: Enable only MM2 / disable DCC and MFX 3: Find an old loco in the loco list, e.g. 3618 4: Try all addresses from 1 to 80 by changing the address of the 3618 in the MS2 This is not programming your loco to any other address; but hopefully finding the address used by the previous owner. If this doesn't work, I have no more ideas; maybe others here can help. Per. Try set adress 78 via MS2 and write CV adress 8 and reset by write 8 in value. If this is not working you have wrong locomotive adress or fault decoder. Remember...when you start program with the MS2, make sure alone locomotive stand on the track and nothing else.
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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Purellum		#21 Posted : 25 December 2019 20:59:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy Try set adress 78 via MS2 and write CV adress 8 and reset by write 8 in value. There are no CVs in these decoders. You are NOT helping anybody with all this wrong information. Please do STFU and RTFM Per.
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Goofy		#22 Posted : 26 December 2019 00:54:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy Try set adress 78 via MS2 and write CV adress 8 and reset by write 8 in value. There are no CVs in these decoders. Please do STFU and RTFM Per. Then in case...you cannot even use MS2 by fix the problem about Tams decoder.
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