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Offline TGV POS  
#1 Posted : 01 December 2019 11:49:40(UTC)
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The ICE 4 ,today in picture on the website of märklin! Drool
The red ICE 4 39714 https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/39714
ICE 4 marklin.jpg
The green ICE 4 39716 https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/39716
ICE 4 vert.jpg
The supplemantary set 43724/43726 https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/43724 https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/43726
The ICE 4.1.jpg
And the wagon set 43725/43728 https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/43725 https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/43728
ICE 4.2.jpg
Why the supplentary set of the green ICE 4 set is 30€ more expensive of the the supplemantary set of the red ICE 4?Confused
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Offline TEEWolf  
#2 Posted : 01 December 2019 20:34:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TGV POS Go to Quoted Post
The ICE 4 ,today in picture on the website of märklin! Drool

Why the supplentary set of the green ICE 4 set is 30€ more expensive of the the supplemantary set of the red ICE 4?Confused


Everything the Greens are touching is getting extremly expensive for a regular citizen. That is the reason why the Greens are called Greenhorns.LOL LOL LOL

Edited by moderator 02 December 2019 17:14:00(UTC)  | Reason: Remove repeated images

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Offline Minok  
#3 Posted : 02 December 2019 23:06:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TGV POS Go to Quoted Post

Why the supplentary set of the green ICE 4 set is 30€ more expensive of the the supplemantary set of the red ICE 4?Confused


Good question; and just looking at the images there is no difference in the images one can easily spot. They all have red stripes, so unless the difference is in the tiny wagon numbers or some detail that you are hyper concerned about, I don't see why one doesn't just use buys the cheaper version. There appears to be a difference of some sort to run a separate part number.

My guess is there is something about the details/run of the green version that is different in the signage or printing or car numbers on the middle area of the train. If you look at the center print area, there is a difference in the numbering there. So I suspect its supply/demand; they expect less demand for those vs the red makeup train.

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 02 December 2019 23:16:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TGV POS Go to Quoted Post

Why the supplentary set of the green ICE 4 set is 30€ more expensive of the the supplemantary set of the red ICE 4?Confused


Good question; and just looking at the images there is no difference in the images one can easily spot. They all have red stripes, so unless the difference is in the tiny wagon numbers or some detail that you are hyper concerned about, I don't see why one doesn't just use buys the cheaper version. There appears to be a difference of some sort to run a separate part number.

My guess is there is something about the details/run of the green version that is different in the signage or printing or car numbers on the middle area of the train. If you look at the center print area, there is a difference in the numbering there. So I suspect its supply/demand; they expect less demand for those vs the red makeup train.



I wouldn't put too much trust in publicity photos, the photo for the originally announced unit is probably the the correct photo, the photo for the next announced probably is the same one with a touch of photoshop used to blur a detail like the coach road numbers.

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Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 03 December 2019 12:46:21(UTC)
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The pictures are CAD images?
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 03 December 2019 17:07:24(UTC)
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The pictures are CAD images?


Yeah, they could be.
Offline TEEWolf  
#7 Posted : 03 December 2019 20:59:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
The pictures are CAD images?


Don't think so. In the new Maerklin Magazine German edition (MM-GE) 06/2019 page 8 above is the announcement for this 2 different colour versions.

But of course no remark about the price. I think, if you want to be politically correct, you must buy the green version. And it is a must to pay more for your poilitcally correctness.Flapper LOL LOL LOL I ordered the red (gimmick free) version.BigGrin
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Offline TEEWolf  
#8 Posted : 03 December 2019 21:32:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
The pictures are CAD images?


Don't think so. In the new Maerklin Magazine German edition (MM-GE) 06/2019 page 8 above is the announcement for this 2 different colour versions.

But of course no remark about the price. I think, if you want to be politically correct, you must buy the green version. And it is a must to pay more for your poilitcally correctness.Flapper LOL LOL LOL I ordered the red (gimmick free) version.BigGrin


Just received the new Maerklin main catalogue 2019/2020 too. On the pages 114/115 and pages 146/147 is already the ICE 4 green version listed. But also a flyer is attached to the catalogue explaining Maerklin has listed the different modells under the wrong article number. Maerklin explains in its flyer, you can order the red version under article # 39714 (in the catalogue this number is combined with the green version). Parallel they offer under the article number 39716 the ICE 4 green version. Both can be ordered immediately.

Maerklin confused by the DB AG with its politically colours! Laugh Laugh Laugh
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Offline Minok  
#9 Posted : 05 December 2019 20:51:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TGV POS Go to Quoted Post

Why the supplentary set of the green ICE 4 set is 30€ more expensive of the the supplemantary set of the red ICE 4?Confused


Good question; and just looking at the images there is no difference in the images one can easily spot. They all have red stripes, so unless the difference is in the tiny wagon numbers or some detail that you are hyper concerned about, I don't see why one doesn't just use buys the cheaper version. There appears to be a difference of some sort to run a separate part number.

My guess is there is something about the details/run of the green version that is different in the signage or printing or car numbers on the middle area of the train. If you look at the center print area, there is a difference in the numbering there. So I suspect its supply/demand; they expect less demand for those vs the red makeup train.



I wouldn't put too much trust in publicity photos, the photo for the originally announced unit is probably the the correct photo, the photo for the next announced probably is the same one with a touch of photoshop used to blur a detail like the coach road numbers.



True, but the only thing I can imagine that would be different between the 'red' and 'green' versions of the add on cars - where the strip is red in all cases - is some tiny difference that has to do with the specific route the green ended trains run, or some other tiny exterior marking. So its a matter of having to look at the tiny details. In the end I expect that the difference is in some tiny detail, regardless of what the photos in the catalog look like... I was just trying to see if I could see any difference, and that's the one spot I saw a difference.
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#10 Posted : 05 December 2019 21:12:32(UTC)
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I think they are returning to their "Pop Wagen" color scheme - someone in the design department is of the "Old School - Alte Schule" just like me! I would do it! Maybe they "Kicked it up a notch" to neon (or pretty close) - I say Go For It!

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Offline TEEWolf  
#11 Posted : 06 December 2019 01:20:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
BigGrin

I think they are returning to their "Pop Wagen" color scheme - someone in the design department is of the "Old School - Alte Schule" just like me! I would do it! Maybe they "Kicked it up a notch" to neon (or pretty close) - I say Go For It!

jimmy


No. Please read this publicaton of the DB AG, Berlin:

"Extract of the press release

Deutsche Bahn (DB) is making its role as an environmental pioneer visible on its trains by changing the exterior design of its 280 or so ICE trains: on the two cars with the striking ICE profile at the top and at the end of the train, the red stripe is replaced by a green one. [...] An additional green plug symbol shows that all long-distance trains run on 100 percent green electricity. [...] The green ICE is the right signal at the right time.""

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It is a political statement. A reason for me to avoid any transportation with this service provider, whenever it is possible. I do not support political lunacy and antidemocratic attitude. Especially if it is a 100% goverment owned company as a DB AG is.
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#12 Posted : 06 December 2019 13:16:52(UTC)
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O-o-o-o-o-o-o-ohhhh, sorry...got carried away to my memories...Blushing

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Offline PeFu  
#13 Posted : 07 December 2019 13:17:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post

It is a political statement. A reason for me to avoid any transportation with this service provider, whenever it is possible. I do not support political lunacy and antidemocratic attitude. Especially if it is a 100% goverment owned company as a DB AG is.

It’s not necessary a political statement. In Europe even private companies in some areas can boost their sales by ”being green” statements. It’s hard to compete against road and air transportation, and without the ”green” factor, there wouldn’t be those billion Euro investments in European railways as we have right now. Note that I haven’t said that I like this impact from the climate debate, or not.

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Offline TEEWolf  
#14 Posted : 09 December 2019 00:59:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post

It is a political statement. A reason for me to avoid any transportation with this service provider, whenever it is possible. I do not support political lunacy and antidemocratic attitude. Especially if it is a 100% government owned company as a DB AG is.

It’s not necessary a political statement. In Europe even private companies in some areas can boost their sales by ”being green” statements. It’s hard to compete against road and air transportation, and without the ”green” factor, there wouldn’t be those billion Euro investments in European railways as we have right now. Note that I haven’t said that I like this impact from the climate debate, or not.

Cool



You are getting off topic. So please inform yourself about the investments into the railway in Germany. Not much is done into the already existing electrified railway system but rather to get a catenary overhead system on the Autobahn for trucks. And the German railway makes two green stripes instead red ones on its trains? Sorry simply ridiculous. Austria and Switzerland shows Europe what you can do for a good railway system.
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Offline Purellum  
#15 Posted : 09 December 2019 06:37:19(UTC)
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You are getting off topic.


Well, only answering your own very off-topic comments..... LOL

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Offline vilithejou  
#16 Posted : 09 December 2019 08:13:08(UTC)
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The items 39714 and 39716 are not in Marklin database... somdebody knows anything?
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#17 Posted : 09 December 2019 13:03:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post
The items 39714 and 39716 are not in Marklin database... somdebody knows anything?


follow the discussion about how the database was showing the (allegedly) wholesale price.
Offline TEEWolf  
#18 Posted : 09 December 2019 21:29:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post
The items 39714 and 39716 are not in Marklin database... somdebody knows anything?


Why do you read not here at this thread?

https://www.marklin-user...-website-pricing--Whoops
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