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Offline cookee_nz  
#1 Posted : 04 October 2019 11:25:00(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Reposting this from the FB group on behalf of Paul Van Grieken because I think it's a great topic that others might be interested in...

twinbox.jpg

The following is the list of twin-pack items that Paul originally added;

304/E - Esso tankcar
304/A - Aral tankcar
305 - Flatbed car
306/1 - Brown goods car
306/2 - with “stuckgutt schnellverkehr”
307/1 - Kuhlwagen
308/1 - Wine car “Bordeaux”
308/2 - Brown coal car
362 - Red kippwagen

Many enthusiasts have never seen these twin-box items as they were more often sold separately by the retailer and the box discarded.

Would be interested in discussion of these
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Offline cookee_nz  
#2 Posted : 04 October 2019 11:28:18(UTC)
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I was sure I had one of them myself but could not check while we were travelling, I've now confirmed my one which is "2 ST 304A" (2 Stück/Pieces - 304 Aral Tanker)

2 St 304A-1.JPG

2 St 304A-2.JPG

Unfortunately the previous owner or store wrote over the label and the inside box is not the correct one for the lid, it's slightly smaller

They are an interesting item all the same

Cheers
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Offline cookee_nz  
#3 Posted : 04 October 2019 11:36:49(UTC)
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A link was posted to a timely auction which has several of them

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/...4?_trksid=p2471758.m4704 - (images from auction copied below to prevent loss after expiry)

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s-l1600 (12).jpg

s-l1600 (1).jpg

s-l1600.jpg

s-l1600 (2).jpg

s-l1600 (3).jpg

I'm sure the boxes are original but I'm suspicious these are recreated contents - the two Banana Wagons in particular are slightly different versions and I think this highly unlikely ex-factory
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Offline Henrik Schütz  
#4 Posted : 06 October 2019 11:11:00(UTC)
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The stückgut schnellverkehr always ran in coupled pairs , it is logical to sell them in pairs!

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Offline Markus Schild  
#5 Posted : 06 October 2019 19:06:05(UTC)
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Hi Cookee,

It may be interesting, that the stamps vary. The early tankers came in boxes where name of the oil-company was fully written and not only abbreviated.

304shell.jpg

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Offline cookee_nz  
#6 Posted : 07 October 2019 03:04:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Henrik Schütz Go to Quoted Post
The stückgut schnellverkehr always ran in coupled pairs , it is logical to sell them in pairs!

Henrik Schütz Stockholm


Hi Henrick, that might be true but I think for those particular wagons it's coincidental, the twinpacks do seem to be more for economy than anything else.

It's a pity they don't still do it, two small wagons, simply wrapped in a simple box would be economical, especially in the starter/hobby range

Cheers
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Offline cookee_nz  
#7 Posted : 07 October 2019 03:05:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Go to Quoted Post
Hi Cookee,

It may be interesting, that the stamps vary. The early tankers came in boxes where name of the oil-company was fully written and not only abbreviated.

Regards

Markus



Thanks for that Markus, as always, your research and resources come up with the goodies :-)
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#8 Posted : 21 November 2019 14:23:34(UTC)
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Two questions, one simple, one esoteric.

Presuming from the boxes, these sets were in the 1950s.

Were they offered/catalogued over the whole decade or just a few years?

Quote:
From Cookie:
Many enthusiasts have never seen these twin-box items as they were more often sold separately by the retailer and the box discarded.


I had not heard of this, but had wondered at times about (#)/1 and (#)/2 designations on some items. (I thought maybe they were earlier versions of the same item with subtile differences or Momma M re-using the same number for a different car (finite limit to 3-digit item numbers...) Blushing )

Would this have been because it was economical for the retailer (even in the 1950s) to sell them individually? Or might it be that (same as myself sometimes) the customer shies away from multiple sets/packs because of the price, or even needs, space, or focus?

Is that 3 questions? LOL

Jimmy
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Offline Markus Schild  
#9 Posted : 21 November 2019 22:03:46(UTC)
Markus Schild

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Hi Jimmy,

The 30X cars (except 306/1S) were always delivered in the twin-boxes from 1953 to 1956. These boxes were not really intended for the final customer. The customer bought these cheaper models without a box, just wrapped by the dealer. Only the dealers got a notice that the cars could be only ordered in quantities which are multiples of two from the factory. The catalogues did not mention the kind of box.


Regards

Markus
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#10 Posted : 22 November 2019 00:57:51(UTC)
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Markus,

ThumpUp

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