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Offline dconner@freenet.de  
#1 Posted : 22 August 2019 18:21:55(UTC)
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Confused What am I doing wrong? I cannot get my decoupler track to work with a m84. old deoder m83 is okay. Any ideas???
Offline TEEWolf  
#2 Posted : 22 August 2019 18:31:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dconner@freenet.de Go to Quoted Post
Confused What am I doing wrong? I cannot get my decoupler track to work with a m84. old deoder m83 is okay. Any ideas???


You can read German?

See here

https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=155609

https://www.maerklin.de/...5_Digital_MM_2014_04.pdf

MM 01/14 page 24 is a cabeling plan for 2 decoupler t a m83.

https://www.maerklin.de/...2_Digital_MM_2014_01.pdf
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
Offline dconner@freenet.de  
#3 Posted : 22 August 2019 20:52:18(UTC)
dconner@freenet.de

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Dear TEEWOLF, many thanks for your help. I can read German but actualy understandig the examples you sent are another matter. After some consideration, I'm going to stay with the m83 decoder(s) and hopefully get my Windigipet software to rcognise the address.
Vielen Dank!!
Offline rhfil  
#4 Posted : 22 August 2019 22:30:33(UTC)
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https://www.marklin-user...652-m84-screen-questions
Here is how I managed to do it. I even was able to use the uncoupler track on the layout to operate the uncouplers.
Offline JohnjeanB  
#5 Posted : 23 August 2019 12:38:00(UTC)
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Hi
Originally Posted by: dconner@freenet.de Go to Quoted Post
Confused What am I doing wrong? I cannot get my decoupler track to work with a m84. old deoder m83 is okay. Any ideas???


The recommended way to connect a decoupler is to use a m83 (6083, 60831, 60832,..).
1 check the decoupler with a power source (attention there is a component in series with the coil to protect it that may fail and cause the decoupler not to work)
2 connect the entcoupler to a M83: blue wire to a Red or Green plug / screw terminal, the yellow wire to the yellow plug or to the screw terminal marked 1, 2 3 or 4.
3 activate the M83 decoder (on 60831 / 60832) the LED diode in front of your entcouplers blue cable must be briefly lit.

Duration: with old 6083, the solenoid will be activated as long as you push the corresponding "button". With new 60831 / 60832 the duration is set but a CV that you must program.
Note: use of M84 is not recommended because it may burn you solenoid if you forget to turn it off (OK there is this thermal protection but I would'n rely on it too much)
Hope this helps
Here is a CS2 / PC (Rocrail) controlled decoupler using a 60832 decoder

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Online Minok  
#6 Posted : 23 August 2019 20:38:28(UTC)
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Why are you using an m84 on the decoupler track? The decoupler track is to be sent a short power burst (m83), not permanent on (m84).
Or did I mis read something.
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Offline clapcott  
#7 Posted : 23 August 2019 22:23:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Why are you using an m84 on the decoupler track? The decoupler track is to be sent a short power burst (m83), not permanent on (m84).
Or did I mis read something.

You misread / misunderstood.

Please research the Relex concept.

the m83 MAY be used if you bold the button down while the train(coupling) moves over the uncoupler.
Or if it is set up to turn on and off to provide distinct control. i.e. not just a short pulse

using a m84/m84 has other advatages, like not drawing power unnecessarily from your controller
Peter
Offline rhfil  
#8 Posted : 24 August 2019 01:16:22(UTC)
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The M84 can deliver just a short pulse sufficient to uncouple all of the Marklin couplings even the really difficult older conducting ones. Works great on my layout plus has the advantage of being able to use the uncoupler track on the screen layout so that clicking on it operates the uncoupler.
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