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danmarklinman		#1 Posted : 04 January 2019 18:38:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,379		I have a new 60760 decoder, and I have the instructions for it. I want to use it as a function decoder for my driving trailer. The only trouble is. What do I do with the white and black wire? What are they for. It says function F2 and F3. But know clear instructions on what for? Also it says it has two orange wires but only one? The common return for head lights? Can I use the motor wires to power the coach interior lighting? The green and the blue? Any ideas please. Dan
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Goofy		#2 Posted : 04 January 2019 18:58:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,020		The motor wires cannot be using for the interior lighting! Use the orange wires. The orange wires are permanent function while the headlights are function F0. What black and white wires?
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Goofy		#3 Posted : 04 January 2019 19:01:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,020		By the way...you did write 69760 as post but in the topic you write 60760...
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danmarklinman		#4 Posted : 04 January 2019 19:19:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,379		Originally Posted by: Goofy By the way...you did write 69760 as post but in the topic you write 60760... Thank you for your reply. Yes I did mean 60760👍 Yes the decoder has also a black and a white wire sticking out the black bag? Thanks Dan
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Minok		#5 Posted : 04 January 2019 20:29:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,311 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		The instructions for the 60760 decoder from Märklin describes the wires coming from the decoder: The yellow and grey wires go to the lights that are activated direction dependent on the controller, the orange wire is the common for those lights (the +ve lead). If you give this decoder the same address as the one the loco, you could have different lighting schemes based on direction, such as activating the tail lights as red or white depending on if the loco is going forwards or back. No white and black. I wonder if there was a different variation of this decoder in the past.
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danmarklinman		#6 Posted : 04 January 2019 20:33:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,379		Originally Posted by: Minok The instructions for the 60760 decoder from Märklin describes the wires coming from the decoder: The yellow and grey wires go to the lights that are activated direction dependent on the controller, the orange wire is the common for those lights (the +ve lead). If you give this decoder the same address as the one the loco, you could have different lighting schemes based on direction, such as activating the tail lights as red or white depending on if the loco is going forwards or back. No white and black. Thanks for your help Minok, much appreciated. Yes that’s the same diagram I have! What i can’t work out is, why are the white and black wires as well. 😱
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Purellum		#7 Posted : 04 January 2019 21:11:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy The motor wires cannot be using for the interior lighting! Why not ?? Per.
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Webmaster		#8 Posted : 04 January 2019 21:21:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Originally Posted by: Purellum Why not ?? Per. Indeed, if you give it a separate address you can control the intensity of the lights... Which of course gives me an idea... If you have several onboard train lighting in different trains with the same digital address you can control the intensity in all those trains with one address depending on how much lights you want regarding train room darkness an such ambience factors by setting the "speed" for the decoder... Just a thought...
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Purellum		#9 Posted : 04 January 2019 21:45:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Indeed, if you give it a separate address you can control the intensity of the lights... And a rectifier if the light is LED......... I don't think "reverse light" is a good idea; it might ruin your dark suckers. Per.
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Bigdaddynz		#10 Posted : 04 January 2019 22:21:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Yes, but they use orange wire which must please Per no end! There are some undocumented function outputs on this decoder - the topic has been discussed in the forum many times. See https://www.marklin-user...locos-with-60760-Decoder
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kgsjoqvist		#11 Posted : 04 January 2019 22:42:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 754 Location: Täby		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Yes, but they use orange wire which must please Per no end! There are some undocumented function outputs on this decoder - the topic has been discussed in the forum many times. See https://www.marklin-user...locos-with-60760-Decoder Probably the black and white wires have been soldered on the decoder afterwards. As delivered this decoder has only motor + lights front and rear. If the loco is MM only as well, it is easy to use the same address and get automatic light changeover with direction.
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Ross		#12 Posted : 05 January 2019 01:45:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 872 Location: Sydney, NSW		Hello Juhan/All I have started to have variable LED lighting in my trains and you can find the article below Variable LED lighting decoders I hope you find it useful. Originally Posted by: Webmaster Originally Posted by: Purellum Why not ?? Per. Indeed, if you give it a separate address you can control the intensity of the lights... Which of course gives me an idea... If you have several onboard train lighting in different trains with the same digital address you can control the intensity in all those trains with one address depending on how much lights you want regarding train room darkness an such ambience factors by setting the "speed" for the decoder... Just a thought...
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Ross		#13 Posted : 05 January 2019 01:49:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 872 Location: Sydney, NSW		Hi David/all, I have used this poor engine decoder for a coach lighting project Thunder box LED lighting Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Yes, but they use orange wire which must please Per no end! There are some undocumented function outputs on this decoder - the topic has been discussed in the forum many times. See https://www.marklin-user...locos-with-60760-Decoder
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Bigdaddynz		#14 Posted : 05 January 2019 08:50:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Ross I have used this poor engine decoder...... Basic, but I would never say poor! Believe me having 128 speed steps in a decoder is way overrated, you have turn the controller knob half a dozen times just to get a loco with one to stop which is a real pain! You don't have this problem with a 60760. Like Ray, I think they are great kit for a cheap loco conversion that you don't want sound in and have no functions other than lights.
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Ross		#15 Posted : 05 January 2019 09:36:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 872 Location: Sydney, NSW		Hi David/All, Please read my reasons for stating that this decoder is poor see page 28 of my strange bits log. Strange Bits Log Part 1 Please note the date I wrote this comment. It may well be an early version of this decoder, but once I have had a bad experience I don't want to repeat it. As for 126 speed steps in a in a MFX decoder I agree but I never mentioned it. Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Ross I have used this poor engine decoder...... Basic, but I would never say poor! Believe me having 128 speed steps in a decoder is way overrated, you have turn the controller knob half a dozen times just to get a loco with one to stop which is a real pain! You don't have this problem with a 60760. Like Ray, I think they are great kit for a cheap loco conversion that you don't want sound in and have no functions other than lights.
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H0		#16 Posted : 05 January 2019 09:40:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Like Ray, I think they are great kit for a cheap loco conversion that you don't want sound in and have no functions other than lights. They have undocumented F1 and F3 outputs - and the logical function ABD off. And when used as a function decoder, the motor outputs can most likely also be used for lights and other accessories. Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Believe me having 128 speed steps in a decoder is way overrated, you have turn the controller knob half a dozen times just to get a loco with one to stop which is a real pain! You don't have this problem with a 60760. With a CS2 all decoders require the same amount of rotations, whether they have 14 speed steps or 126. Good controllers let you choose 32 speed steps for mfx decoders or 14/28 speed steps for DCC decoders. 14 speed steps are very basic, I prefer 27/28 speed steps (which the 60760 does not have). 126 is too much for my taste, but I don't mind having an unused feature in the decoder.
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Bigdaddynz		#17 Posted : 05 January 2019 11:02:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Ross As for 126 speed steps in a in a MFX decoder I agree but I never mentioned it. No, I realise that but it is a particular bugbear of mine!
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Ross		#18 Posted : 05 January 2019 22:31:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 872 Location: Sydney, NSW		Hi David/All, On the ECoS you can set MFX decoders to be mapped to just 28 speed steps, is this possible with the CS2/3? Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Ross As for 126 speed steps in a in a MFX decoder I agree but I never mentioned it. No, I realise that but it is a particular bugbear of mine!
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H0		#19 Posted : 05 January 2019 23:02:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Ross On the ECoS you can set MFX decoders to be mapped to just 28 speed steps, is this possible with the CS2/3? Not possible with a CS2.
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