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Originally Posted by: Minok  Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: RayF I was thinking how nice the loco looked in the video until it got to the turnouts... That's a hell of a rough ride! No wonder the driver is putting out a smoke screen to hide his embarrassment!  The owner of the layout should be embarrassed to be showing a video of such bad track work. You can see the coaches rocking and rolling as they cross the points as well, not just the loco. And one would fix this how? Isn’t it the track piece geometry and the gaps in it that are going to cause this as the loco crosses over at a slow speed, whereby one gets the maximum movement into any rail gaps? Well, looking at the video there is something sticking way up that seems to interfere with the wheels, and i don't think it is a Puko, but the shooting angle and the 'focus on the nearest object' makes it hard to tell. But I don't believe a 6 wheel item like a V60 would normally bounce like that one is.
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 Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334
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Don't know if it this, but maybe:
At time 2:19 it seems that in crossing it seems that exists an additional part in the piece that pushes the wheels outwards.
I don't know how those peaces are called, but I mean the small segment of rail that are parallell to the outer rails to push the wheels outwards.
Also it doesn't seem they exist everywhere.
Its existence is probably to counter act the fact that DC wheelsets (probably not a problem for the V60 of ESU) don't derrail. The best alternative to this is, of course, to use DC sized wheelsets. |
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 Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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I don't see anything wrong with the track. What I see is that the loco's wheels dip into the gaps in the frogs, probably due to the wheel standards being different from the normal AC standards. The bogies on the coaches seem to cope much better with these crossings than the loco.
There is an audible "clunk" where the loco wheels actually fall in the gaps. I see this happen on my C-track layout sometimes when I use a non-Marklin wagon with its original DC wheel sets. At a higher speed this might even cause a derailment. |
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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 Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,319 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Don't know if it this, but maybe:
At time 2:19 it seems that in crossing it seems that exists an additional part in the piece that pushes the wheels outwards.
I don't know how those peaces are called, but I mean the small segment of rail that are parallell to the outer rails to push the wheels outwards.
Also it doesn't seem they exist everywhere.
Its existence is probably to counter act the fact that DC wheelsets (probably not a problem for the V60 of ESU) don't derrail. The best alternative to this is, of course, to use DC sized wheelsets. It is merely the wheel dipping down into the gap that exists in the switch/crossing. Physics. The gap can be smaller with a more crossing angle, but for a turnout the gap has to be wide. With a loco with a few wheels, the weight will force the corner of the loco down. If this was a longer 8 axel loco, then of course as the first axel went over the gap, the center of gravity is well behind the gap and so the corner would not dip down, and but with this shorter locomotive it pivots down. I suppose if they had the room to do so, they could build the locomotive so that as much of the weight as possible was over the center axel, thus when either of the end axels are over a gap, they don't drop, but just float; of course this would put all the traction requirements on those two center wheels then. To get good traction you want as many wheel doing the work, which be definition means you need downward force on them.  |
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Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334
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It is one great advantage of Märklin over the others: Märklin knows how to do locomotives. Many many years of experience.
The placement of the center of mass, the allowances between the moving parts, the height from the rail to the chassi, the spring tension
of the sky and several other details are critical for the good ride of the locomotives and clearly Märklin knows it well, specially for 3 rails. (Roco
is also good in that although I only saw few 3 rail models from them. Fleischman was also very good in 3 rails). As you say, these problems are usually more evident in smaller locomotives.
Despite all this, the ESU V60 rides witout derrailing. Maybe that video just shows us the worst case scenario.
Anyway, happily I am not having that type of problems, guess why :)
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 Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,453 Location: Scotland
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Does not look a good advert for ESU locos. But they don't make track so they should ensure that their stuff is suitable for Marklin track. However it could be the fault of the track and we will only know of somebody here buys one and gives us a test run. Goofy maybe !! |
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 Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse
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 In our small world, the rolling stock are resting on the flanges when passing a turnout. If the flanges are too big for the turnouts, the loco will "ride high" and not touch the rails when passing the heart-piece. If the flanges are too small for the turnouts, the loco will drop down when passing the heart-piece. In this case we see small ( DC-wheels ) flanges crossing a turnout build for Märklin-standard flanges. PECO makes turnouts for 1-scale, where there's a little shims in the heart-piece that can be removed, if you use G-scale rolling stock. You can see it here, under the screw: https://cdn.shopify.com/....pdf?6123728320125993344 Per. |
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 Joined: 29/11/2009(UTC) Posts: 957 Location: Mount Barker, South Australia
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Well here's my video and all went very well. Granted crossing the points was done at speed, but the loco still ran great. Club layout (at this stage) doesn't have too many switches, but I will give the loco a slower run on my layout (when I re-build it  ....hopefully in the next week  ) No sound as my German is non-existent and I couldn't understand the instruction book (or the ESU video). Also I was using a CS2 and there were many icons repeated, so careful study will have to be done in the next..................... Anyway I hope you enjoy the video It is a very beautiful model, top class workmanship |
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Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,453 Location: Scotland
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Thanks for video. Pity about the sound though. Was considering buying but will give it a miss as there could be too many problems. Interesting to see how it goes over turnouts on different types of Marklin tracks. Looks a reasonable price for the specification. |
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Originally Posted by: DV Well here's my video and all went very well. Granted crossing the points was done at speed, but the loco still ran great. Club layout (at this stage) doesn't have too many switches, but I will give the loco a slower run on my layout (when I re-build it ....hopefully in the next week ) No sound as my German is non-existent and I couldn't understand the instruction book (or the ESU video). Also I was using a CS2 and there were many icons repeated, so careful study will have to be done in the next..................... Anyway I hope you enjoy the video ,,,, It is a very beautiful model, top class workmanship I agree it is a beautiful looking model. I also think that C-track is kinder to all trains. I remember seeing a huge improvement of the running of my trains over turnouts when I switched from M-track to C-track. |
Ray
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Considering folks were commenting that the last version had difficulty pulling more than one truck that video seems to indicate they have solved that issue! For me its still a lot of money for a "shunter"
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Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,319 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest
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Originally Posted by: DV Well here's my video and all went very well. Granted crossing the points was done at speed, but the loco still ran great. Club layout (at this stage) doesn't have too many switches, but I will give the loco a slower run on my layout (when I re-build it ....hopefully in the next week ) No sound as my German is non-existent and I couldn't understand the instruction book (or the ESU video). Also I was using a CS2 and there were many icons repeated, so careful study will have to be done in the next..................... Anyway I hope you enjoy the video It is a very beautiful model, top class workmanship The manual for it is available in English : http://www.esu.eu/en/dow...esu-engineering-edition/ |
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Unless the prototype emits it out vertically several meters ... I feel the smoke pattern could be improved for the next version 
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Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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Originally Posted by: nhumps Unless the prototype emits it out vertically several meters ... I feel the smoke pattern could be improved for the next version Yes I felt that too, but didn't comment as I didn't want to be seen as "negative". The smoke doesn't much resemble the exhaust of a diesel engine does it? |
Ray
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Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: nhumps Unless the prototype emits it out vertically several meters ... I feel the smoke pattern could be improved for the next version Yes I felt that too, but didn't comment as I didn't want to be seen as "negative". The smoke doesn't much resemble the exhaust of a diesel engine does it? I also think that when the smoke is at "full speed". The transitions seems ok to me. I don't know if the maximum "smoke speed" (volume/time) can be limted by configuration. Regards |
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I have ESU V 60 and it works fine.
The locomotive do have Loksound 5 and are mfx compatible.
The locomotive register excellent with the CS3 and all shows up 31 functions.
Function number F13 are "heavy train" but i can´t find any icon symbol to equal F13.
Somebody knows? |
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