Poll Question : price for 2nd Insider BR65 with matching coaches set.
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steventrain		#1 Posted : 30 May 2018 18:44:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		39650 BR65 Price 419 euro and set of three coaches for BR65 price 299 EURO. Please vote.
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Webmaster		#2 Posted : 30 May 2018 20:14:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Voted no, not "my Era" - even if it looks absolutely lovely and I am very tempted to get it. Have to keep some self-discipline but I congratulate all Era III-IV DB modelers... Get it if you can...
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rbw993		#3 Posted : 30 May 2018 20:33:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,048		Not interested - not Swiss or my era. A very nice model though!
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mike187		#4 Posted : 30 May 2018 20:50:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 60 Location: nj		Great loco... I will wait for the version with boiler bands....
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pab		#5 Posted : 30 May 2018 20:51:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		I'm interested in de locomotive. It's era III en a steam locomotive. And I love the SSN BR 65 018. Have to think about the coaches. Those are already populated with preiserlein, have LED lights and conducting couplers. The cab control car has full light functions. So the price is not too steep I think I already have Silberlinge with preiserlein and lights. Probably no shuttle service for that train on my lay-out.
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ROBMODEL		#6 Posted : 30 May 2018 20:57:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 45		I am interested in this nice sister loco of the SSN 65 018, which is still running in the Netherlands. Regards Rob
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petestra		#7 Posted : 30 May 2018 21:15:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 5,862 Location: Leesburg,VA.USA		I would not order this version but I agree with Mike that the version with boiler bands would be great! Peter.
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Minok		#8 Posted : 30 May 2018 22:18:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,318 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Originally Posted by: steventrain 39650 BR65 Price 419 euro and set of three coaches for BR65 price 299 EURO. Please vote. Bad poll given those 2 options My choice is : NO- Steam engines isn't my thing in general, its out of theme for my layout.
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applor		#9 Posted : 30 May 2018 23:44:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,768 Location: Brisbane, Queensland		It seems to me the poll is just asking if the price is acceptable or not.
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mvd71		#10 Posted : 31 May 2018 02:23:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,919 Location: Auckland,		Too expensive for what it is, but the real killer is the roof vents, they are just ugly. Compare that to Mikes Fulgurex model, and his is much nicer. If they did a version with the more discreet vents, I might be able to look past the price.
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Armando		#11 Posted : 31 May 2018 05:51:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Originally Posted by: mvd71 Too expensive for what it is, but the real killer is the roof vents, they are just ugly. Compare that to Mikes Fulgurex model, and his is much nicer. If they did a version with the more discreet vents, I might be able to look past the price. From these images, I believe that the roof vents might not be too far off from the real thing: https://www.dampflokomot...ion=image&position=1 https://www.dampflokomot...ion=image&position=1
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mrmarklin		#12 Posted : 31 May 2018 06:25:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 940 Location: Burney, CA		I like the models even though they are not Era II. I buy all Insider Loks and related sets because they usually represent the cutting edge in Märklin techno. The prices seem reasonable for what one gets. Sadly, this is a prototype that was never in my era.
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mvd71		#13 Posted : 31 May 2018 10:41:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,919 Location: Auckland,		Originally Posted by: Armando Originally Posted by: mvd71 Too expensive for what it is, but the real killer is the roof vents, they are just ugly. Compare that to Mikes Fulgurex model, and his is much nicer. If they did a version with the more discreet vents, I might be able to look past the price. From these images, I believe that the roof vents might not be too far off from the real thing: https://www.dampflokomot...ion=image&position=1 https://www.dampflokomot...ion=image&position=1 Hi Armando, you are probably right, but I still prefer the look of the ones on the Fulgurex loco so I doubt I'll be lining up to spend my money on this one Cheers.... Mike
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dickinsonj		#14 Posted : 31 May 2018 14:47:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,801 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: Minok Bad poll given those 2 options My choice is : NO- Steam engines isn't my thing in general, its out of theme for my layout. I think we just need to view this poll for what it is actually asking. Assuming that this is something that fits on your layout, are you interested and willing to pay this much for this train? The price is irrelevant if you have no interest in these models because of what you collect.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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dickinsonj		#15 Posted : 31 May 2018 14:53:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,801 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: Armando From these images, I believe that the roof vents might not be too far off from the real thing: I agree. I am not familiar with the prototype for this model but judging from those images Märklin's model looks more realistic than the vents on the Fulgurex model do.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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dickinsonj		#16 Posted : 31 May 2018 15:01:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,801 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Voted no, not "my Era" - even if it looks absolutely lovely and I am very tempted to get it. Have to keep some self-discipline but I congratulate all Era III-IV DB modelers... Get it if you can... Early on I made the probably poor decision to collect what appealed to me regardless of a model's Era or country of origin. Self-discipline is definitely not my best feature. Now my collection is richer while my bank account is poorer and luckily it is far too late for me to ever go back.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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Goofy		#17 Posted : 31 May 2018 17:59:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Why to vote for this model?? You didn´t same way for all other Insider model and yes with high price too.
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RayF		#18 Posted : 31 May 2018 18:39:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Goofy Why to vote for this model?? You didn´t same way for all other Insider model and yes with high price too. Why not? You are of course welcome to start a poll on all the other Insider models, but I somehow sense you're not all that interested in Marklin models anyway....
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kiwiAlan		#19 Posted : 31 May 2018 18:39:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: Goofy Why to vote for this model?? You didn´t same way for all other Insider model and yes with high price too. Why not? You are of course welcome to start a poll on all the other Insider models, but I somehow sense you're not all that interested in Marklin models anyway.... No, he'll get the Trix one ...
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dickinsonj		#20 Posted : 31 May 2018 18:51:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,801 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Goofy is certainly welcome to his negative views of Märklin products and free to not buy as many of their items as he wants. That leaves more of them for the rest of us to purchase. The part I don't get is why he feels the need to relentlessly post negative things about Märklin on a Märklin enthusiast website. Most of us come here to celebrate and discuss a favorite hobby not to argue with someone who does not share our love for these trains.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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RayF		#21 Posted : 31 May 2018 18:56:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Some people get pleasure from antagonising others. When done on the internet these people are usually called "trolls". I have been trying to reason with Goofy (Anders) for the last few years, but it generally gets no-where. Generally I tend to ignore his comments, but sometimes I can't help myself and have to answer!
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amartinezv		#22 Posted : 31 May 2018 19:03:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 332 Location: Madrid,		Hello I am interested in the loco, but not in the cars, they will be, probably, 30 cm long, and with the size they can't run in my layout, and the price is high. So I will try to buy only the loco BR 65, that is a very nice model. Best regards
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Sander van Wijk		#23 Posted : 31 May 2018 21:37:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Even though it is not my era, I have to admit I am tempted... Good value on the set and the loco is a beauty. No vote on the poll, though. The two answer possibilities are not exactly exhaustive. My response would be: "No, unfortunately not my era of interest"
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klarinettmeister		#24 Posted : 31 May 2018 22:49:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 811 Location: Kirseberg		I voted no as it's looks uninteresting to me and Ive ordered the insider croc which I don't regret.
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RayF		#25 Posted : 31 May 2018 23:10:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		As the poll is asking about the price I voted no. I do think it's a bit on the expensive side, even for an Insider model. However this model would suit my layout perfectly. Tank engines, especially the larger ones like the Br65, are perfect for a small station like mine. If I can get one of these at a more reasonable price in the future I probably will go for it.
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dickinsonj		#26 Posted : 01 June 2018 00:59:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,801 Location: Crozet, Virginia		I can understand how this set is not right for some people and I like to see their posts which explain why. But to vote no on the price poll because you collect a different Era seems kind of messed up to me. The question is "Is this train nice enough to justify the cost, yes or no". I think a separate poll on whether forum members will get this set and why would be very useful. Thinking about other forum member's decision points often helps to clarify my decision on models that I am not 100% sure on.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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60904		#27 Posted : 01 June 2018 20:08:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 324		I have ordered the loco but not the coaches.
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franciscohg		#28 Posted : 01 June 2018 23:09:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia		Perhaps only the loco, not my era.....sometimes I lack of self discipline thought.
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Armando		#29 Posted : 02 June 2018 04:43:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Already ordered 39650 today However, I will pass on the coach set, as I already have some Silberlinge from the first batch (43800, 43810, 43820).
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twmarklinfan		#30 Posted : 02 June 2018 06:52:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/05/2015(UTC) Posts: 567 Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: Armando Already ordered 39650 today However, I will pass on the coach set, as I already have some Silberlinge from the first batch (43800, 43810, 43820). I ordered today,but I will pass on the coaches. I have the 43800, 43810, 43820 and installed lights and Prieserlings.
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Bigdaddynz		#31 Posted : 02 June 2018 07:58:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,768 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan No, he'll get the Trix one ... Then he'll change his mind and get the Marklin one, and when it breaks he'll sell all of his MRR and go start all over again.... This model is quite expensive (but then M has just increased prices), and it doesn't really appeal to me, plus I have too many items on order as it is!
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dickinsonj		#32 Posted : 02 June 2018 14:15:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,801 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz This model is quite expensive (but then M has just increased prices), and it doesn't really appeal to me, plus I have too many items on order as it is! I am having double sticker shock on Märklin items at the moment. Their prices have indeed increased, and in some cases by quite a bit. In the past the big North American online dealers had decent discounts, which I assume might be due to them not paying the VAT. When I buy from someone like MSL they take the VAT off and the price goes down nicely. But in the last few months NA dealers have started to list prices just 3-4% below the Märklin retail price, which is an additional and even larger increase for me. Maybe Märklin has forced them to end their larger discounts and get more in line with European dealers. Between the two changes I have seen my prices go up considerably though, enough to make me weigh my decisions more carefully about what to buy. Of course if I wait too long the models are already sold out these days and then I save a whole lot of money.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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kimballthurlow		#33 Posted : 03 June 2018 00:54:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,763 Location: Brisbane, Australia		I voted yes in this poll because ..... yes, it is an interesting model, and it is a desirable model for many reasons .... and I do NOT believe the price is too high. Whether I order it or not (for whatever reason ....) is another question, which this poll did not ask. Kimball
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jlopez		#34 Posted : 03 June 2018 05:54:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 143 Location: San Francisco		Like it! And ordered a set yesterday! 👍🏽👍🏽
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Goofy		#35 Posted : 03 June 2018 09:30:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj The part I don't get is why he feels the need to relentlessly post negative things about Märklin on a Märklin enthusiast website. marklin-users.net do support two rail with DCC and mfx too. Märklin support same way. I have seen and read even bad comments from other member here too about Märklin products. There is pro and cons. The worse con made of Märklin are mfx decoder. I do really like theirs locomotives but not their mfx decoder. I hope Märklin this time fix the problem about jerk at the start and when locomotive stop jerk too in this model of the BR65.
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shannon		#36 Posted : 03 June 2018 16:40:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 353 Location: Taipei,		i am interested in BR65 and the wagons set but i don't need figures. i searched the data of production on Marklin website and found 43800, 43810 and 43820 were alike to 41275 set specifically designed to go with BR65. Perhaps i would consider to buy the coaches separately.
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RayF		#37 Posted : 03 June 2018 18:16:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I have the set of coaches from the 29720 set which I'm sure are the same ones.
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kiwiAlan		#38 Posted : 03 June 2018 20:46:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: RayF I have the set of coaches from the 29720 set which I'm sure are the same ones. I suspect they are too, although I suspect with different road numbers.
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RayF		#39 Posted : 03 June 2018 20:57:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: RayF I have the set of coaches from the 29720 set which I'm sure are the same ones. I suspect they are too, although I suspect with different road numbers. I suspect you're right!
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JohnjeanB		#40 Posted : 04 June 2018 13:17:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,555 Location: Paris, France		Hi I voted yes because it is a very interesting loco (although not the most elegant). It is a Fleischmann grand classic . The coaches on the other hand are less; been around for some time, I have one set already and 300 Euros is very expensive I think. Nive idea this vote Cheers Jean
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Purellum		#41 Posted : 04 June 2018 15:34:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Then he'll change his mind and get the Marklin one, and when it breaks he'll sell all of his MRR and go start all over again.... No, the Märklin one will be taken apart, the screws will be damaged and the wires messed with; and then it will be taken back to the dealer and a refund demanded with a strange excuse. One of my favorite dealers can tell a lot of stories about this. Per.
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