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In conversation with a modeler here in South Africa recently, discussing various HO brands, he came up with the following comment: "Marklin is the Rolls Royce of model trains and Lilliput is the Bentley, if I can put it like that!" ....I like that...  Joe....still from a waterless Cape Town! |
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Hi Joe,
But BENTLEY never sold cars where the engine was in the trailer. ;-)
Regards
Markus
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Originally Posted by: Markus Schild  Hi Joe,
But BENTLEY never sold cars where the engine was in the trailer. ;-)
Regards
Markus 😆😆🚂 |
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Liliput would probably be more like the Wartburg...
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They have some nice cars at good prices. A nice Audi TT quattro 1.8 for £2950. It is a 2001 model. Still if I still drove I might be tempted. Eddie
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I'd say ESU is the Rolls, Brawa the Bentley, Märklin the Mercedes, Roco the Audi, Fleischmann the BMW and Piko the VW.
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Liliput would probably be more like the Wartburg...
I guess you never have seen, tasted, smelled and driven a Wartburg in real life. Otherwise you never woud have made such a comment.
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf I guess you never have seen, tasted, smelled and driven a Wartburg in real life. Otherwise you never woud have made such a comment. Lol. You guess wrong! :-) (Although I didnt actually DRIVE one...) -And it lives completely up to the experience I´ve had with Liliput train models... |
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Originally Posted by: Markus Schild But BENTLEY never sold cars where the engine was in the trailer. ;-) Did Rolls Royce do that? Märklin sold steam locos with motor in the tender - even for H0 gauge (but not in H0 scale). Nothing wrong about that. |
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What I want to know is which one is the Trabant.  .JPG)
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My grandfather was a motor mechanic trained at Rolls Royce, Coventry England in the period 1900-1910.
He subsequently moved to Australia, where he continued work on cars from Buick (USA) to Triumph (UK) until 1943.
He told my father many times, that Mercedes Benz were the best cars in the world.
He would know.
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow He told my father many times, that Mercedes Benz were the best cars in the world.
He would know. That was 70+ years ago. Mercedes Benz are still in business, but the quality may have changed (the quality of MB and the quality of the competitors). Brands like Grundig and Dual have no relation to the former company, nowadays they are just labels on China products. Märklin is still in business, but they sold Fleischmann locos and Brawa locos in boxes with the Märklin logo, they sold Fleischmann coaches and Tillig coaches in boxes with the Märklin logo, they sold Tillig freight cars. All MRR brands offer varying quality. Originally Posted by: skeeterbuck What I want to know is which one is the Trabant. Too often Märklin sell Trabant quality with a Mercedes price tag. Liliput is not always "Bentley" and Märklin is not always "Trabant", but you have to be careful with all brands to avoid the lemons. |
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Yes this looks like a Trabant. But the car was always a stinkhorn or stinker, because it had a 2-cycle engine. Its nickname was "Plastic" because it was made in plastic. Even at Märklin they know meanwhile the differences between plastic and metal. The communists used plastic because they did not have enough steel for its car production. Although after the bankrupt of the DDR they built the car for a very short time with an 4-cycle engine from VW. But nobody bought the car. This car had a disastrous crash and safety behaviour. Not so important during the communists time. There was no much car traffic there. But nowadays it even would not get an operational license. Too low security standards. So to compare it with a MRR today, for me it is an insult for a model railway.
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Believe it or not in Zagreb there are several more "surviving" Trabants that owners use in everyday traffic!   And I had a caravan for some 45 years that I used to transport the Go-card on the race. If it is powered by adequate strength and safety it is a completely acceptable means of transport that does not rust / sorry for the off topic /
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Hi,
When the TRABANT was developed, the use of plastic for the bodywork was really high technology and was also seen as the future by western manufacturers. Think of the CHEVROLET CORVETTE which also comes from the 1950s and had a plastic-body.
Without doubt the TRABANT was outdated from the 1970s. But up to that time it was on an equal level with other European small cars like the 2CV, the BEETLE or the small FIATs. It ran 120 km/h at good weather and had space for four adults.
Also the two-stroke engine was a solution which was also used in western Europe. The grandfather of the AUDI A6, the DKW F102 came new with a 2-stroke engine in the mid-1960s. Also SAAB used those motors. The "environment" was not invented yet.
It was a reliable, simple car. I owned some from 1990, when also nearly new cars were sold for a few hundred Marks. It was one of the very few cars with enough head-space for a 1.97 m man like me. No, it was not fast. I needed seven hours for a drive from Berlin to my home-village. Today, on new built motorways and with 163hp I need six hours.
Comparing it to model-trains I would equal it to GDR - made - TT - trains. A little bit small, but cheap and well - engineered.
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Markus have you ever seen a Corvette with a fibreglass body after a front end collision or indeed any collision. Not a pretty sight . 
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Hi Malin, I don't remember to have seen one. But I have seen folded TRABANTs. The TRABANT never was known for it's safety. But it was not unsafer than the other small cars of that era. Also in a VW Beetle people died at 30 km/h crashes. The accidents looked spectacular but also at modern cars the outer bodywork is less important for the crash-safety. The structure of the TRABANT is made of steel. That can rust and it did. The first thing owners of a new TRABANT did, was the anti-rust protection which was not done in the factory. My parents often sent materials like TEROSON-wax-spray to our relatives, which lived in the GDR. Regards Markus
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I remember an interesting article about car safety from 2016: http://www.globalncap.or...following-ncap-campaign/And here with video: https://www.npr.org/sect...n-cars-in-mexico-and-u-sAnything that can be sold legally and with profit will be sold. And to get back to MRR: We had a few cases of problems caused by inferior materials. A penny saved is a penny earned. My rolling stock from the '70s didn't have any problems with hardened oil after 30 years in the box. Rolling stock from the '90s, new from the dealer, can be locked out of the box. Did they find a cheaper oil supplier? |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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I seen my fair share of all types of automotive accidents and I would say that Corvettes are safer than similar type cars from the same production years. The difference being that fiberglass cracks where as sheet metal crumples. They have to meet the safety standards or they wouldn't be allowed on the road. Let's forget the Trabant and get back to model quality!  Chuck
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Originally Posted by: Joe Meiring In conversation with a modeler here in South Africa recently, discussing various HO brands, he came up with the following comment: "Marklin is the Rolls Royce of model trains and Lilliput is the Bentley, if I can put it like that!" ....I like that... Joe....still from a waterless Cape Town! Marklin is described as the Rolls Royce, it means everyone can afford a couple of Rolls Royce. RR will be as much as Toyota and VW.  If Marklin is equal to RR, i wonder what the Micro Metakit and KM1 are equal to ? I would consider Marklin as Volvo with the tough and strong body shell made of metal and a bit expensive pricing than other brands like piko, rivarossi equivalent to Renault or Fiat.
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Exactly and in a Trabi driver was dead.
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TEEWolf that was uncalled for and below the belt.Can we not have light banter on the forum. Life is serious enough in reality so we
use model trains,cars,whatever to escape into this dream world . Often we need to grow up but sometimes we need to grow down,
let our hair down,so I humbly ask you to loosen up and ENJOY LIFE God knows its so short.Ask the steam generation!!!
Humbly yours
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Originally Posted by: H0 I remember an interesting article about car safety from 2016: http://www.globalncap.or...following-ncap-campaign/And here with video: https://www.npr.org/sect...n-cars-in-mexico-and-u-sAnything that can be sold legally and with profit will be sold. And to get back to MRR: We had a few cases of problems caused by inferior materials. A penny saved is a penny earned. My rolling stock from the '70s didn't have any problems with hardened oil after 30 years in the box. Rolling stock from the '90s, new from the dealer, can be locked out of the box. Did they find a cheaper oil supplier? Regarding the oil I blame global warming |
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and where does the brand Lima and Rivarossi fit into it ? under Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Alfa Romeo or Lancia ? I'm sure it doesen't go a low as the Fiat. |
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