Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH
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Im trying to figure out what the rise on a section of track is. In 43 " the track goes up 2.75" . I must be having a senior moment because I used to be able to fig ure it out. Take care Eddie  Edited by moderator 03 February 2018 10:25:03(UTC)
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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2.75 divided by 43 gives 6.4 %. The calculator shows 0,06395348837209302325581395348837. You can multiply with 100 to get the percent value directly. |
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Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH
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Thanks Tom, The rise starts on a curve and finishes on a curve. All my Marklin that I tried go up with no problems except a small drop in speed pulling 10 /12 wagons. Eddie
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Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,319 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest
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Yep, those rubber tires really let our stuff do some non-prototypical stuff, all in the name of 'fitting it in the small room in H0'. And I like that. |
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: Minok  Yep, those rubber tires really let our stuff do some non-prototypical stuff There are railway lines that handle 7%, 8% or even 10% without traction tyres and without cogwheels. So 6.5% is prototypical - but leads to some limitations in both 1:1 and 1:87. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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On Michael Portillo's program, I heard one of the loco drivers state that the incline they drive their locos on is 2% and that was quite steep for a railway. Dereck |
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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2 % is quite steep for a mainline, but still far from the limit. Our locos need traction tyres because model coaches and freight cars require much more tractive effort than the real things with rolling bearings. In real life they need pushing locomotives because the couplers are too weak - a problem that does not exist with our models. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Originally Posted by: dominator  On Michael Portillo's program, I heard one of the loco drivers state that the incline they drive their locos on is 2% and that was quite steep for a railway. Dereck I heard somewhere, but have never verified the figures, that a 1% incline takes twice the power to pull a train at the same speed as it takes on the level. One would need to go through the maths to work this out, and I haven't found the time to sit down and work it through, so ... anybody game?
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Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,319 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest
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With the steep grades (above 4%) one of the chief technical problems is that special braking systems and safety systems need to be installed to ensure the train can stop as needed. |
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Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,252 Location: Sydney, NSW
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Take it easy . . . . or any other way you can get it !!!!
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Originally Posted by: Drongo  -But the frogs are happy, right? After all, that is all that matters... ;-) |
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Joined: 14/12/2002(UTC) Posts: 800 Location: Newcastle NSW Australia
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The same Government is now building a new metro using the tunnels which were built to our normal rail standards & clearances but there is also a long extension westwards joining on to the existing part which is built to totally different specifications which will not allow our current rail stock to fit thru. new signalling ,overhead , platform design etc etc . . At the other end the same tunnel boring machine is set up to drive under the Sydney harbor ,wander around underground till it comes above ground somewhere in the southern suburbs & then use the original rail line thru to Bankstown . with no possible connection or usage for existing trains . demolition of existing historical stations which are on the states register of historical buildings . All of this is to be totally driverless & controlled by someone in a remote building who has no knowledge of what is actually happening outside in the real world. A government that is hell bent on removing train crew from employment opportunities & have stated they will not be employing any more rail staff in future years . With all the current problems this mob have caused state wide with selling off the power stations , power lines , harbor control to overseas companies I cannot seeing them lasting much longerwhen the next election happens .
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at least your trains stop somewhere where people live, our trains will go to the airport (under construction) but an airport is a large parcel of land, what we do is create an airport station as far away as possible from the actual airport hub and you either have to walk or catch a bus to get to the entrance hall a matter of fact 99% of our railway stations are not directly linked to any shopping precinct, people have to walk in the heat (40° C) under no over cover or again take a bus., one particular station comes into my mind; Rockingham, a popular beach front city, parkland and shallow water/wide beaches, a family gem, but you can't see a single train there, its miles away, the government excuse was they didn't have the money to extend it to Rockingham.
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Well since we are apparently playing " The Yorkshiremen" (I'll forgo the tale of how our metro area makes us lick the road clean and we got up 3 hrs before we went to bed).... Seattle built a transit tunnel under downtown decades ago, that was prepared for light rail, and had rail installed in it, but only ran buses through it because Seattle was so farsighted in the 1970's or whenever it was, to think they would never grow and didn't need all that matching millions of federal funding (so Atlanta, Georgia got the money and built a great rail transit system out of it). And when Seattle finally got on the ball in the early 2000's (you know, many decades to late), they discovered those rails would not be usable for modern light rail trains they were looking at and had to rip them all out and replace them with new ones. Meanwhile, the very expensive bridge over Lake Washington that was built to some day take light rail, but over those decades was being used by Mercer Island residents to avoid sticking to the normal highway and High Occupancy routes, is now finally getting claimed for that purpose - and of course all the homeowners are screaming bloody murder and holding things up in court for reasons of "its all about me". |
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The one I like about is consultancy fees, you never hear much about them, it usually starts off as a new political party policy announcement, you get quotes from consultancy firms, than the opposition political party, have their own consultancy fee analysis about the project, in mean time nothing gets done , by the time the term has expired and new elections are on the way, the incoming government (most the time the previous opposition) , starts off their own costing about the project and more consultancy fees are paid., than there are impact studies, environmental studies and all other studies and 10 year down the track nothing has been done, it just got swept under the carpet, forgotten with the general public and than there are announcements, a new strategy has been applied, much cheaper, more effective plan: instead of trains it was decided to have buses. as an economic statement: did you know the richest State in Australia is 43 billion in debt, that is 1.5 billion in interest charges each financial year.
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Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,319 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest
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Buy is that Seattle in a nutshell. Pun intended. During the period before they finally started building light rail there was this effort to extend the monorail system that was built ina small segment for the Worlds Fair back in 1962. They wanted to extend it over more if the city (at huge expense of course singe it's all gotta be up on concrete raises runs with unique cars). The voters of Seattle studied and voted and studied and cited. I think the monorail idea came up for public vote at least 4 or 5 times over the years as constant efforts were floated to add what would be a tiny fraction of coverage. When one thinks how much light rail cups have been built with the money spent on those studies campaigns and repeated elections it's maddening. |
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I think we're getting a bit off topic here..........(and almost venturing into a political discussion).
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I recommended maximum 3 % incline and decline for the trains because most of the digital locomotives do have two traction tyres. To pulling up wagons incline is already hard work for the locomotives with two traction tyres. |
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Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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A test I did some years ago with all the locos I had at the time proved that I could safely rise 10cm over a distance of two metres. I believe that is a gradient of 5%. |
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