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Dave Banks		#1 Posted : 21 December 2017 10:41:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,041 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Hi all i know this is a sore point with all those that have lost these lovely model to Zinkpest. I was just wondering if anybody has had any luck in tracing down replacement frames #35 part number E321289 Seetal Link I was just hoping somebody out there has come up with a method to replace this frame using another material albeit 3D printing. I have two frame needing replacement sadly . Looking forward to your input.
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mike c		#2 Posted : 21 December 2017 17:00:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,217 Location: Montreal, QC		My recommendation would be to send an email to service(at)maerklin.de, informing them that you are having a problem with this model and are looking for a replacement frame. So far, there were at least 4 different models of the De 6/6 (37521, 37522, 37524, 37526), so hopefully at least one of them had metal that was not affected. It is possible that Maerklin had the parts in stock for repairs but not as spare parts for sale. You could also try getting in touch with Maerklin's Swiss Service Centre: http://www.maerklin.ch/de/service/repservice.html Regards Mike C
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5HorizonsRR		#3 Posted : 21 December 2017 18:01:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,973 Location: CA, USA		I had two issues (37521 and 37522), one of which marklin replaced themselves for me free of charge while it was a somewhat new loco, and the second of which I jsut bought the part and did it. Now the second problem: the plastic gears in these also crumble. Not a good situation. I sold mine off as I didn't have the heart to deal with it anymore. I'd be curious as well to hear if the newer ones are "safe", as they really were two of my favorite locomotives...
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Dave Banks		#4 Posted : 21 December 2017 19:50:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,041 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Hello Mike, many thanks for your reply. I have a contact living in the town of Göppingen whom I met while living in New Zealand. She has a friend employed in the Marklin factory. I thought a little insider help would end all my woes only to find they truly don't have this item available at all & the pair of them really did try hard for me. Maybe the Swiss option is the way to go. Hello John,these two locos are also my two favourites & it pains me to see them just sitting there in that diseased state.
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Armando		#5 Posted : 21 December 2017 20:30:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		The problem, unfortunately, goes beyond just the frame. My 37521 has been plagued by the pest on two occasions already. The first time, it attacked the frame. I had to send it to the Märklin factory in Goppingen, pay for postage there and back and also for the repair (replacement of the frame), as this happened during the Pluta years when they did not have any money for warranties. The second time around, this year, I noticed that my 37521 would not move. After further investigation, it turned out that some of the gears were in the process of becoming disintegrated. And there is no replacement for all of them. My recommendation is that you work with your dealer or with Märklin Service and see if they can offer some sort of solution, which is what I did. However, the most recent Seetal croc, which is supposed to be free of problems, is already sold out at the factory.
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kiwiAlan		#6 Posted : 21 December 2017 21:36:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Dave Banks Hello Mike, many thanks for your reply. I have a contact living in the town of Göppingen whom I met while living in New Zealand. She has a friend employed in the Marklin factory. I thought a little insider help would end all my woes only to find they truly don't have this item available at all & the pair of them really did try hard for me. Maybe the Swiss option is the way to go. Hello John,these two locos are also my two favourites & it pains me to see them just sitting there in that diseased state. The other place to try would be Ritter Restoration.
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Nigel Packer		#7 Posted : 21 December 2017 22:00:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 694 Location: Cheshire, UK		Originally Posted by: Armando However, the most recent Seetal croc, which is supposed to be free of problems, is already sold out at the factory. ... and the newer frame is a different casting and not interchangeable, sadly. Nigel
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Dave Banks		#8 Posted : 21 December 2017 23:24:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,041 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Hello Nigel, I had a look at the frame of 37526 & yes completely different. So no chance with that dream. Kiwi Alan I will try your suggestion next. Armando I will check the gears on both of my unit to see if they too have been plagued with the disease. Thanks to all for your responses. Too all the forum members & Johan, have a very merry Christmas.
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Dave Banks		#9 Posted : 22 December 2017 01:00:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,041 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Armando you are right. Both gears "small plastic gears" that drive all the other gears from the worm shaft have split apart at one end on both bogies. I suppose now I have to purchase the whole shaft assembly #51 minus the brass bearings. Hope it includes the small splined gear which is the one that has split. https://www.maerklin.de/service/...&artikelnummer=37521 E307117 Schneckenrad / Welle 3 Stück 6,00 € VPE: 3 I was wondering if : https://www.maerklin.de/service/...&artikelnummer=37526 Item 25 E248862 Getriebekasten @ 15,00 € is the same as that of Marklin #37521. Here they sell it complete? Edited by user 22 December 2017 04:46:29(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Dave Banks		#10 Posted : 23 December 2017 00:08:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,041 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		I found the answer on the "Three Rail Forum". They suggested this seller for Seetal parts. He has the parts I want. Seetal spare parts
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river6109		#11 Posted : 23 December 2017 02:18:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,873 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: Dave Banks I found the answer on the "Three Rail Forum". They suggested this seller for Seetal parts. He has the parts I want. Seetal spare parts Dave, just amazing, good luck regards, John
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COCCODRILLO114		#12 Posted : 12 April 2018 18:15:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2018(UTC) Posts: 6 Location: emilia romagna		hello. GOOD NEWS !! the replacement for 37521 frame will be soon available ! please contact me at: commerciale@modeltreno.com It has been completely redesigned with a new mould and in pure zamak.....on ebay u can find the reservation
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5HorizonsRR		#13 Posted : 12 April 2018 18:31:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,973 Location: CA, USA		Originally Posted by: COCCODRILLO114 hello. GOOD NEWS !! the replacement for 37521 frame will be soon available ! please contact me at: commerciale@modeltreno.com It has been completely redesigned with a new mould and in pure zamak.....on ebay u can find the reservation Nice- are there new/better gears available as well?
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COCCODRILLO114		#14 Posted : 13 April 2018 01:16:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2018(UTC) Posts: 6 Location: emilia romagna		Hello, not yet but we have all gears availables
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COCCODRILLO114		#15 Posted : 29 December 2018 19:18:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2018(UTC) Posts: 6 Location: emilia romagna		Hello I wanna inform all the guys on this forum that now is available the Rahmen 321289 at modeltreno .com or on ebay !
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COCCODRILLO114		#16 Posted : 29 December 2018 19:23:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2018(UTC) Posts: 6 Location: emilia romagna		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Dave Banks Hello Mike, many thanks for your reply. I have a contact living in the town of Göppingen whom I met while living in New Zealand. She has a friend employed in the Marklin factory. I thought a little insider help would end all my woes only to find they truly don't have this item available at all & the pair of them really did try hard for me. Maybe the Swiss option is the way to go. Hello John,these two locos are also my two favourites & it pains me to see them just sitting there in that diseased state. The other place to try would be Ritter Restoration. Hello the 321289 is now available on ebay !!
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Troy Yang		#17 Posted : 31 December 2018 09:42:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/12/2003(UTC) Posts: 356 Location: San Francisco, California USA		Originally Posted by: COCCODRILLO114 Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Dave Banks Hello Mike, many thanks for your reply. I have a contact living in the town of Göppingen whom I met while living in New Zealand. She has a friend employed in the Marklin factory. I thought a little insider help would end all my woes only to find they truly don't have this item available at all & the pair of them really did try hard for me. Maybe the Swiss option is the way to go. Hello John,these two locos are also my two favourites & it pains me to see them just sitting there in that diseased state. The other place to try would be Ritter Restoration. Hello the 321289 is now available on ebay !! This is the link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MARKLIN-MARKLIN-321289-RAHMEN-37521-37522-37524/202286065825
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JosefromBolivia		#18 Posted : 01 April 2025 00:19:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/08/2023(UTC) Views messages in topic : 3 Location: Santa Cruz, Warnes		Hello, I just got a marklin 37521 Seetal locomotive, it is really beautiful. Since it is second-hand, I wasn't sure about the condition I would find it in, but it works correctly and has no broken parts on the chassis. From what I have seen in this forum, it is common for the plastic to break and Marklin no longer manufactures this part. Is there any way to prevent or stop the plastic from breaking?"
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marklinist5999		#19 Posted : 01 April 2025 13:35:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,866 Location: Michigan, Troy		True, the plastic gears are not top quality and may crack or wear. The bigger problem like with mine is the bogie frames. They can develop zinc pest and crack and degrade. Don't drop it, and handle it carefully. Mine detached from the center frame at one end. Otherwise no visible damage yet. I bought new in 2002. Marklin was under Kingsbridge capital ownership so by the time it broke, Marklin was under new ownership and no out of warranty coverage. In order to run it, I removed the one cardan shaft and a gear, and loosely tightened the bogie screws so the axles free wheel. The bogie locates to the center frame once on the rails. It can pull two short light wagons. Store it in a dry location to reduce humidity and condensation to retard zinc pest. If in the box, maybe include a dessicant packet.
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mike c		#20 Posted : 06 April 2025 00:29:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,217 Location: Montreal, QC		Originally Posted by: JosefromBolivia Hello, I just got a marklin 37521 Seetal locomotive, it is really beautiful. Since it is second-hand, I wasn't sure about the condition I would find it in, but it works correctly and has no broken parts on the chassis. From what I have seen in this forum, it is common for the plastic to break and Marklin no longer manufactures this part. Is there any way to prevent or stop the plastic from breaking?" From what I recall, this model was affected by Zinkpest and customers were reporting that the chassis of their model was cracking and developing hairline fissures. There was at some point a recall campaign from Goeppingen, but I don't think that the campaign is still active. I don't recall seeing any issues with the plastic gears, although that may be an issue for some as well. If you can find a part number, there are a number of parts on eBay, especially from models that have suffered the zinkpest issue. Regards Mike C
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marklinist5999		#21 Posted : 06 April 2025 01:13:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,866 Location: Michigan, Troy		Isn't there an archived thread about a supplier in Italy that has replacement frames?
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JosefromBolivia		#22 Posted : 10 April 2025 02:11:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/08/2023(UTC) Views messages in topic : 3 Location: Santa Cruz, Warnes		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Isn't there an archived thread about a supplier in Italy that has replacement frames? Thanks for the responses. From what I see in this other thread https://www.marklin-user...m/posts/t44115-Zinkpest, we can only wait for the worst to happen. But, isn't there some product you can spray to prevent the chassis from fragmenting, something that allows the part not to disintegrate?
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mvd71		#23 Posted : 10 April 2025 04:00:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,916 Location: Auckland,		Originally Posted by: JosefromBolivia Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Isn't there an archived thread about a supplier in Italy that has replacement frames? Thanks for the responses. From what I see in this other thread https://www.marklin-user...m/posts/t44115-Zinkpest, we can only wait for the worst to happen. But, isn't there some product you can spray to prevent the chassis from fragmenting, something that allows the part not to disintegrate? Unfortunately not, the zinc pest comes from impurities in the casting. Any corrosion preventative you spray will only work on the surface.
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mike c		#24 Posted : 10 April 2025 05:52:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,217 Location: Montreal, QC		The information about the Italian seller who offered the parts is in Post #12 of this thread regards Mike C
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5HorizonsRR		#25 Posted : 10 April 2025 06:47:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,973 Location: CA, USA		A bit of first hand experience: I have lived this nightmare with a 37521, and a 37522 These were one of my favorite models. Both crumbled (frames). I paid a lot of money to have marklin service in germany fix one, I fixed the other myself using parts from Marklin. Then the gears started splitting, and these were not as easy to identify and order (at the time). I sold the 37521 which had issues first, being dejected by the situation and not realizing it would become common. Then the 37522 split a few, I sold that as well in frustration. I was young and had little disposable income so the loss of 2 favorite locomotives I had bought new hurt me. What I would love to know, if anyone can answer definitively, is: are any of the later variants of this locomotive 100% safe from both zinc pest and the gear issue? I still would love to own one...
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COCCODRILLO114		#26 Posted : 10 April 2025 09:41:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2018(UTC) Posts: 6 Location: emilia romagna		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Isn't there an archived thread about a supplier in Italy that has replacement frames? https://www.ebay.it/itm/196440749195
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marklinist5999		#27 Posted : 10 April 2025 15:04:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,866 Location: Michigan, Troy		Yes 5horizonsRR, a later version in brown and green were made. After Kingsbridge no longer owned Marklin. I believe these to have metal gears, like the Trix designs, which Marklin owns and uses per the aquisition. Edited by moderator 11 April 2025 05:57:37(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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owidgie		#28 Posted : 10 April 2025 20:48:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2007(UTC) Posts: 167		Here is a link to the 2018/2019 version - No Zinc Pest! https://www.maerklin.de/...ts/details/article/37511 I have one and it is wonderful! Rick
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5HorizonsRR		#29 Posted : 11 April 2025 05:54:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,973 Location: CA, USA		Originally Posted by: owidgie Here is a link to the 2018/2019 version - No Zinc Pest! https://www.maerklin.de/...ts/details/article/37511 I have one and it is wonderful! Rick Thanks Rick!
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