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Offline Artologic  
#1 Posted : 15 August 2017 17:32:23(UTC)
Artologic

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Hey Everyone,

Has anyone attempted to upgrade the old marklin 216 (8874/8875) to 5 pole motor and or led lights? The old br216 can t convince me in the slow running department nor can the light part of the loco.

I hope to hear from someone who has an experience about it.

Kristof
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Offline zscalehobo  
#2 Posted : 15 August 2017 19:04:45(UTC)
zscalehobo

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Location: CALIFORNIA, Irvine
http://www.zscale.org/articles/fivepole.html

There's a comment about it, it is not easy due to form factor with the capacitor.
Frank Daniels
Owner - z.scale.hobo
A Noch "Top Dealer"
Marklin Dealer and Z Locomotive Service
Irvine, California, USA
www.zscalehobo.com
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Offline Artologic  
#3 Posted : 15 August 2017 19:34:06(UTC)
Artologic

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Is there a chance you are confusing with the 8899? That remark I found, but not one about the 8874/8875? I m still not afraid to do it, but I would want some first hand experience since if it really isn t worth it, it s a waste of time and money. I know they in general make the loco run better, but there are some exceptions, where it all doesn t help that much. Or that is at least what I heard...

Kristof
Offline zscalehobo  
#4 Posted : 16 August 2017 00:45:25(UTC)
zscalehobo

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8874 261920 211901(B) 8988/89881 no
8875 261920 211901(B) 8988/89881 no

Take note of note (b)... expanding that:
For locomotives of type BR 103, BR 151 and Ae 6/6 produced after mid-2002, you will need 211903 instead. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to differentiate the two versions of these models. Instead, make an educated guess: if your engine is brand-new, order the newer motor (211903); otherwise, purchase the older motor (211901). If you're not sure, purchase both motors and sell the one that doesn't fit on eBay. Please let me know if you have more information on this issue.

Not sure how you missed that, as it is pretty clear.

All quoted, again, from http://www.zscale.org/articles/fivepole.html
Frank Daniels
Owner - z.scale.hobo
A Noch "Top Dealer"
Marklin Dealer and Z Locomotive Service
Irvine, California, USA
www.zscalehobo.com
Offline Zme  
#5 Posted : 16 August 2017 02:19:28(UTC)
Zme

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Posts: 377
Location: West Texas
Hello

I have been watching for a five pole for my older 8874, please let me know if you find one.

Some say the five pole is not that much of an improvement over the three pole. I had the same problem with slow running, until I really took it apart and did a real good cleaning. It is amazing how much of a difference this can make. Once the wheels and gears are gummy and not moving easily, the slow speed really is disappointing. It would also heat and the body would not stay on the chassis. Cleaning the wheels can make a difference too.

Here is a YouTube I found which shows the take apart on this loco.



Sorry it is German language I think. This is the model I have and I think it shows most of the take apart steps. The motor looks like it may be possible to just drop in the new one while you are at it. Watch that piece of tape added to the top of the motor, this shows the side of the motor which you would want to have pointing up. The new motor would need to be placed the same, a little trial and error may come into play. If it seems to go in a direction opposite from what it was previously, just flip the motor and it should be good.

I have located LED light conversions on Ebay and they are fairly straight forward regarding the process. Instructions just need to be studied to make sure you have it correct. A good solder gun may be needed also.

Good luck

Dwight

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Offline strummer  
#6 Posted : 16 August 2017 03:55:58(UTC)
strummer

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Location: Oregon, Waldport
That was a good video; I have yet to obtain a Marklin diesel (hope to get such as a "215") so this was most helpful.

It appears to be almost identical in design to some of the Arnold N scale locos I have...so maintenance seems very "doable". :)

Mark in Oregon
Offline Zme  
#7 Posted : 18 August 2017 04:30:51(UTC)
Zme

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Joined: 02/10/2013(UTC)
Posts: 377
Location: West Texas
Hello

Yes you are correct these locomotive are doable.

As a do it yourselfers it might take you longer but there are professionals who know all about the problems you can run into. Try locating a spring for a coupler if one is dropped on the floor. Hours could be spent just trying to find it. It is hard to have all the replacement parts you need. I accidentally left some center gears soaking to long and had to replace them and I bet it took a month. A professional likely can avoid these kind of problems.

It is really up to you and what you feel you are ready for. A Br 74 is one of the simpler ones but it takes a bit of work to get the wheels correct. The more wheels on a steamer and the more time you can expect to spend on it. And remember don't drop anything in the process. I would not recommend these for beginners.

Best wishes on what you choose to do. The 216s are good puller s.

Dwight

Offline Artologic  
#8 Posted : 21 August 2017 11:30:08(UTC)
Artologic

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Hey Everyone,

Thanks for the replies.

@Zscalehobo: I missed out on the (b), and since the information didn t say anything about the v216, I never noticed the reference. Still, if I recall correctly, the 8874 and 8875 were already out of production in 2002 and thus only use the old motor. But that s how I missed it lol.

@D_Landen: I will do that, I ll have to look for on myself if I choose to convert it to 5 pole. To be honest, the loc was bought very much used and had a big cleaning afterwards. They indeed tend to run bad if it all gets gummed up and dirty. I must say that the 8874 is the only one that can t convince me with his running, but since it has been cleaned it must be the loco/construction itself. Btw there is no heat issue either, but what I noticed is that the old loco s tend to loose tension in the body, after which they get loose a bit. Thanks for the link btw :-), do you have a link on the led conversion parts, I m curious about those?

@Strummer: Keep in mind that the v215/218 and the v216 (old models like 8874/8875) are slightly different in the way they are build, but the general idea is well explained in the movie. But indeed, they are nice to maintain :-).

@D_Landen (second reply): How did you do that, keeping it soaking too long? Did you put it in acid? What you say about the professionals is true, we probably take longer to complete the job, but since it s a hobby and I m in no hurry, I don t mind. And I think everyone makes his/her share of stupid mistakes lol. Also, the most part of the job is to dare do it and to take your time/have patience. That combined with a bit of skill and a shout out if you are stuck and it s very doable, but steamer indeed tend to be a bit more difficult. Start with a small engine and work you way "up".

The v216 is a great puller, better then my v218, I guess that comes because of the extra weight it has. Still the v218 I a superbe runner compared to the v216 and still manages to pull a fair train as well.

Kristof
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Offline Zme  
#9 Posted : 22 August 2017 03:30:24(UTC)
Zme

United States   
Joined: 02/10/2013(UTC)
Posts: 377
Location: West Texas
Hello

I believe Mr. Hobo likely has the information regarding the LED conversion. He is a professional, reliable dealer with a great deal of experience with Z. http://www.zscalehobo.com/ or look for his listings on Ebay US.

I am not certain which conversions are available, or if they are made for the 8874/5.

If he does not, I am certain Hightech Eisenmodelbahn would have something. http://www.z-hightech.de...g=6&sprache=englisch

I installed a LED kit on my Br 111 recently and now have a steady headlight at low speed and a trailing red light on this loco. Just needed to do a bit of soldering. I believe I got that one from GPS_97 a vendor on Ebay US, but I am certain something similar would be available on Ebay.de or one closer to you. The older 216 is designed very differently than current models, it is hard to say if there is a kit for it. Perhaps one could be adapted.

I have since learned not to keep any parts in a alcohol soak for too long. The finish actually comes off of the gears if left in too long. To avoid this, I now use a small jewelry ultrasonic cleaner and pay attention to make certain they are just cleaned and not damaged. Mr. Hobo says he has seen lighter fluid used to clear the hardened oil. I have not tried this yet, but I bet it works. Taking anything apart which has so many small parts, it is easy to get into trouble, either on reassembly or just losing something. It you decide to DIY, just keep this in mind. The professional are there to help and can come in handy too.

Best wishes in whatever you decide to do. Just enjoy and have fun, it is a great hobby.

Dwight





Offline Artologic  
#10 Posted : 24 August 2017 10:01:14(UTC)
Artologic

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Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC)
Posts: 430
Hey Dwight,

I can do them myself, if I have the pieces, that s not the issue, making them myself, that s a bit too small for now (I attempted to make a silberlinge coach with lightning, but it wasn t a full success lol). The link you provided looks really interesting, thanks a lot for that! I m inventive so there will be something that fits all right :-).

You don t have by any chance an example of the lighting? I m curious to see it.

I never had the idea to put it in alcohol, I just use washing benzeen if that s the correct call, as long as you don t put any painted parts in it, it will be fine. I once tried to rub something off with alcohol and indeed it came off, including all the paint under it... Never used it again after that. The lighter fluid idea sounds like one to remember, thanks for bringing it up and thanks Mr. Hobo for sharing it. Spoken about professionals, it s a shame that the closest professionals I know about here are in The Netherlands or Germany and I don t really trust postal services, I wish I knew one in Belgium :-(.

Thanks I wish you the same, it indeed is a great hobby :-)

Kristof
Offline strummer  
#11 Posted : 01 September 2017 02:19:00(UTC)
strummer

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Posts: 47
Location: Oregon, Waldport
For whatever it's worth: I just purchased a "8875" from that auction site; should be here in a few days, and will file a report with you all as to how it turned out... Smile

Mark in Oregon
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