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Offline Dr. Tom's Kid  
#1 Posted : 09 January 2017 03:13:33(UTC)
Dr. Tom's Kid

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I can't seem to find any info as to what the product # for this is. There is nothing imprinted on it but what can be seen on the front.

Thank you in advance for any help.

--Laurie

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Offline Markus Schild  
#2 Posted : 09 January 2017 17:32:59(UTC)
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Hi Laurie,

So far I don't know exactly what it is. It is nothing which was ever sold to customers by Märklin or ever announced officially. It looks like a prototype for miniclub-digital which was announced 1988 but never delivered.

Regards

Markus
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Offline cookee_nz  
#3 Posted : 09 January 2017 18:07:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dr. Tom's Kid Go to Quoted Post
I can't seem to find any info as to what the product # for this is. There is nothing imprinted on it but what can be seen on the front.

Thank you in advance for any help.

--Laurie



Interesting item. the 1 - 6 are they LED's or Buttons?

Nothing embossed on the plastic base?

How did you come by it?

Are you in Utah? That is the late Tom Catherall's home State and it's certainly the type of thing he would have had access to

There is clearly another unit it connects to and without that it's probably not going to do much.

Is it able to be opened up? what's inside could also shed some light on it..

Mystery indeed. So many questions OhMyGod

Cookee

*** AH! Think I just made the connection, Tom was your Dad? Big welcome indeed, almost slipped under the radar.
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Offline Bill Dickson  
#4 Posted : 09 January 2017 20:23:07(UTC)
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It could be a controller from a large set with buttons for switching 6 points. Just a guess.
Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 09 January 2017 20:40:26(UTC)
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Pre-production?
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Offline Tom Jessop  
#6 Posted : 09 January 2017 20:55:14(UTC)
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Turntable controller ?
Offline RayF  
#7 Posted : 10 January 2017 13:20:53(UTC)
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To me it looks like a handheld controller for a small layout. It could possibly be something that was cobbled together for a Z-gauge demo layout.

The flat ribbon cable looks like it might have enough wires to cover all the functions on the controller in analogue form. All it would need would be a breakout box built into the layout with a matching connector which would then distribute the cabling to all six solenoid devices and the track feeder.
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Offline waorb  
#8 Posted : 10 January 2017 20:02:16(UTC)
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Maybe a photo from below and another from behind?

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Offline Dr. Tom's Kid  
#9 Posted : 15 January 2017 00:27:39(UTC)
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Thanks for the replies. Here are a few more pics.

IMG_4412.jpgIMG_4413.jpgIMG_4474.jpgIMG_4414.jpgIMG_4473.jpg
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Offline xxup  
#10 Posted : 15 January 2017 00:58:10(UTC)
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I think that it might belong in the Marklin Museum.. It is very unusual..
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Offline Crazy Harry  
#11 Posted : 15 January 2017 03:46:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
To me it looks like a handheld controller for a small layout. It could possibly be something that was cobbled together for a Z-gauge demo layout.

The flat ribbon cable looks like it might have enough wires to cover all the functions on the controller in analogue form. All it would need would be a breakout box built into the layout with a matching connector which would then distribute the cabling to all six solenoid devices and the track feeder.


I agree with this evaluation, especially after seeing the additional photos. The blue and red wires are the ones that go to the feeder track. The seven 1.2V rechargeable batteries deliver about 9V, the normal operating voltage for Z (Mini Club) layouts. The circuit board under the pushbuttons looks like it provides contacts for analog solenoid devices i.e. a 6 switch version of a 70729 control box and connects to the layout via the ribbon cable. The jack on the ribbon cable end is probably for a recharger for the internal batteries.

The throttle rheostat is probably a centre off, turning right to go forward and left to go in reverse.

I'm surprised that they didn't have all wires come out of the same end in order to make it more handy.

Interesting find!

Cheers,

Harold.
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Offline Dr. Tom's Kid  
#12 Posted : 18 January 2017 17:52:38(UTC)
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Thanks for the great help. Since I can't find another like it or a value, I will list it as an auction on ebay and get what I can for it. Harold, would you mind if I use your explanation in the item description when I list it? You were very thorough and clear.

Until the next mystery item...

Laurie
Offline Purellum  
#13 Posted : 18 January 2017 18:12:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dr. Tom's Kid Go to Quoted Post
I will list it as an auction on ebay and get what I can for it.

Laurie


Personally I'm not interested; but I think some of the other guys here will appreciate a link when you do.

Per.

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Offline Dr. Tom's Kid  
#14 Posted : 18 January 2017 22:44:10(UTC)
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I posted this earlier but can't find it so here's the link again;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marklin-Mini-Club-Hand-Held-Controller-Z-Gauge-/252730385253

My eBay username is dadstuff if anyone is interested in seeing what I've listed. I rarely put things up as an auction since I am not in a hurry and there is still a lot to list, but if I can't find anything to help me with pricing I do. The eBay store name is Dr Tom's Trains and Hobbies.

Thanks again for the advice -- Laurie
Offline mike c  
#15 Posted : 19 January 2017 02:09:59(UTC)
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Hi Laurie,

It is very hard to tell what this is, especially without a photo of the top side of the circuit board. The way in which the blue and red leads are fed into the unit suggests that this was very experimental. If this a finished product, there would hopefully be some fixation to prevent tension on the cable from reaching the soldering points/circuit board. It could be a selector which allows for the control of up to 6 locomotives (digital) or it could be a simple controller that also allows for the control of up to 6 accessories from the same unit.

Have you contacted anybody at Maerklin to find out more information? I haven't heard from my principal contact in Goeppingen in years.

I will post a link to the item in some of the German forums and will let you know what I find out.

Regards

Mike C
Offline mike c  
#16 Posted : 19 January 2017 02:25:47(UTC)
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I am actually wondering if this could be some kind of controller for a display or suitcase layout. The main leads would go to connections for the track power while the flat cable would connect to a socket to connect all of the accessories. This would allow for the operation of such a setup without electricity.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Crazy Harry  
#17 Posted : 19 January 2017 03:28:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dr. Tom's Kid Go to Quoted Post
Harold, would you mind if I use your explanation in the item description when I list it? You were very thorough and clear.
Laurie


Laurie

No problem, hope I'm right!

Harold.
Offline Markus Schild  
#18 Posted : 19 January 2017 15:50:32(UTC)
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Hi,

someone else knew the correct answer: Nothing digital and also no prototype. It is a controller delivered with the factory layout 0623: Z-layout in a suitcase. Pictures of the layout (with the controller) can be seen here:

http://www.sammeln.z-ins...erklin-werksanlage-0623/

Regards

Markus
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Offline jvuye  
#19 Posted : 19 January 2017 23:03:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

someone else knew the correct answer: Nothing digital and also no prototype. It is a controller delivered with the factory layout 0623: Z-layout in a suitcase. Pictures of the layout (with the controller) can be seen here:

http://www.sammeln.z-ins...erklin-werksanlage-0623/

Regards

Markus

Yes that's exactly it.
I have known with Dr Catherall for years when he was doing quite a lot of experimenting with Märklin.
So it's normal you'll find a number of unusual items, and even some "one off" devices.
I still have a couple of contacts in the factory, dating back to the 1990's and some may be a resource.
But better hurry, they are all ready for Ruhestand, if not there already.
Cheers


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Offline mike c  
#20 Posted : 20 January 2017 06:07:34(UTC)
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It looks like my hunch was pretty much bang on. The unit pictured in the photos attached to Markus Schild's post show different cables, which would solve the issue that I mentioned about possible tension damage on the cables and potential damage to the soldering joint/circuit board, so Laurie's board has been somehow modified from the one pictured with the layout.
After looking at it for a few minutes, it occurred to me that somebody showing off a portable (suitcase) layout might want to have a controller/power supply that could be operated independently of AC mains. This was how I was led to the conclusion that it was a controller for train and accessories for such a layout. I was surprised that it did not have all the leads coming out of the same end, as that would have made more sense to me.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Dr. Tom's Kid  
#21 Posted : 20 January 2017 20:14:23(UTC)
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I'm glad the mystery has been solved. My dad did have a suitcase layout that I sold to someone but it was much smaller than the one shown. More like a briefcase layout.

Next mystery:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/...trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

Is this supposed to go with something else? The circle is so small that very few locos types can be used on it. It has a bunch of velcro pieces with it like it was supposed to be stuck down on another board or layout.

Thanks -- Laurie
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