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Fernando Perez		#1 Posted : 21 December 2016 11:45:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 21 Location: Victoria		Hi guys I have a question about CS2 and a black box 191724. I connected the B and O to the tracks but I am not sure what to do with the programs. Do I have to connect the yellow and blue wires on it for lighting, turnout and solenoids in that terminal? If not, how can I program the turnout and lighting?. It is possible to program from the Bus wiring? Thank you guys for your help. Fernando


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H0		#2 Posted : 21 December 2016 17:03:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Originally Posted by: Fernando Perez I have a question about CS2 and a black box 191724. The black box is just a radio-interference suppressor. The two outputs of the black box, main track and programming track, can be used just like the outputs that are directly on the CS2. See CS2 manual for further information.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS


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Fernando Perez		#3 Posted : 21 December 2016 23:51:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 21 Location: Victoria		Thank you Tom for the information provided. The CS2 manual don't mention anything about this, that is why I asked the forum to get more information about it. So I understood that I can use the programming track for the yellow and blue wires to control the turnout and lighting. Is that correct? Thanks again. Fernando


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Fernando Perez		#4 Posted : 22 December 2016 00:08:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 21 Location: Victoria		I will use M83 decoders for turnouts and that is my doubt, if I have to use the programming output of the radio interference suppressor for it. Thank you all. Fernando


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H0		#5 Posted : 22 December 2016 08:29:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Fernando Perez I will use M83 decoders for turnouts and that is my doubt, if I have to use the programming output of the radio interference suppressor for it. Now that is a clear question. Connect the m83 decoders to the main track output, not the programming track output. The purpose of the programming track output is programming decoders. The purpose of the main track output is operating locos and accessories. The programming track output can be used to operate locos and accessories when not in programming mode, so your m83 should also work when connected to the programming track. But sooner or later you will have problems changing the address of a loco and you will have to disconnect the m83 to get it work.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS


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Bigdaddynz		#6 Posted : 22 December 2016 09:03:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Topic moved to the Digital forum.
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Fernando Perez		#7 Posted : 02 January 2017 00:24:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 21 Location: Victoria		Happy New Year to all of you guys and thanks for your support during 2016. I did everything to connect the m83 decoder on my layout. The red led light started to flash and I addressed the unit that appear on the screen of the Cs2 on DCC. The address was 9 and the Dip Switches 1-2-0, but no response on green and red LED. The test button showing that is working, but I have no response on the turnout and green and red lights. I reconnect the wires again and I addressed the m83 now on MM, but I have exactly the same response. The address on MM was the same 9 and the Dip switches 1-2 no 0 this time. I will appreciate if you can help me to solve this issues. Regards Fernando


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Fernando Perez		#8 Posted : 02 January 2017 00:37:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 21 Location: Victoria		I connected the m83 to the bus wiring. I didn't use the prog of the 191724 mentioned at the beginning of this topic.


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Fernando Perez		#9 Posted : 03 January 2017 23:08:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 21 Location: Victoria		Hello Tom Happy new year. I am in trouble with the m83 decoder. I addressed but doesn't work. I followed your instructions but only the red light blinking, but no response from green and red LEDS


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Fernando Perez		#10 Posted : 05 January 2017 00:32:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 21 Location: Victoria		Hi all. I found an article that help me to solve some issues, now I am trying to work out on this. This is the article. Home RAILWAY.ZONE The German Railway in H0 CV Table For Märklin m83 The Way It Should Have Been 27. June 2014 20:06 / Søren Jacob Lauritsen / Digital Control / Comments The Märklin m83 (Märklin #60831) accessory decoder is actually a really good accessory decoder. There are, however, parts of the User's Manual that can be a bit confusing to the consumer. This article clears up a few of the problems that I had while trying to understand the decoder. The most important features are of course the control of accessories, like point motors and magnetic uncoupler tracks. The default settings somewhat tries to meet this requirement, but one completely, by many people, overseen feature is the decoder's several options for light effects. To take advantage of this, you only need to program the outputs using DCC and the values from CV-table in the manual. Unfortunately, this is where the manual is a bit unclear. The table in the manual talks about a "button value" and a "switch value". It is a bit unclear to me what this means. Reading an article in the Märklin Magazine did not really help me, but it did give me an idea to just use either button-value or switch-value as the CV value, depending on what you want to happen. Update: I finally got it! "Button value" means things you can do with a button (e.g. start a flashing light or turn on a lamp). "Switch value" means things you can do with a point (turnout). This means that sometimes you need to use the "button value" as the CV value, and at other times you need to use the "switch value" as the CV value. So basically you can just merge the two tables into one. I think a merged table is much easier to understand. Because of this, I have compiled a complete list of valid CV values for the outputs, where I have taken the guessing part out. I mixed them for you. The Following CVs Can Be Programmed With The Values From The Table CV Output Connector 112 Ouput 1 Red 115 Ouput 1 Green 118 Ouput 2 Red 121 Ouput 2 Green 124 Ouput 3 Red 127 Ouput 3 Green 130 Ouput 4 Red 133 Ouput 4 Green The Possible CV Values Are As Follows CV Value Description 16 "Period"* is the maximum switch time 17 "Period"* is the minimum switch time 18 Switch time is "Period"* or until end-stop is reached 128 The output is off 129 Dimmer 130 Flashing light 1 131 Flashing light 2 (opposite of flashing light 1, meaning: on when flashing light 1 is off. 132 Emulates flash light 133 Emulates double flash light 134 Random flickering light (e.g. defunct fluorescent light) 136 Zoom (soft switch on and off) 137 Mars 138 Gyralight. Like on American railways 141 Tubes. Emulates fluorescent light when turning on 142 Emulates the behaviour of an energy-saving light bulb * For at description of "Period", please see the manual. Every CV can be programmed using PoM. This is very helpful if you have already mounted the decoder. Conclusion The m83 decoder is extremely useful when it comes to creating all sorts of light effects on your layout. A long with a digital system or a computer you can create life like effects on street lamps, platform lighting or a tourist taking a picture of a train passing by. Initially I did not like the decoder, I thought it was too complicated. Now that I understand the CV values, the decoder suddenly became extremely useful. Another good part is; that the decoder is cheap as well. If you need a great accessory decoder for your points, uncoupler tracks or lighting effects, you should give the m83 from Märklin a try. I think you will be happy with the results. Happy Modelling! Tags : Märklin , Digital Hello! 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Goofy		#11 Posted : 19 October 2024 14:56:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		I did checked in the google by search more information about Märklin digital. Did found a subject here but as i read about Fernando he seems not exist anymore time and i did also search at railway.zone support by Sören. Is there lack of interesting about trains nowadays from ex-members? Second... do any one here still use Märklin suppression 191724?
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JohnjeanB		#12 Posted : 19 October 2024 18:09:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,556 Location: Paris, France		Hi Here is the little I know about 191724 First a picture of my unit (opened) Origin of this unit: a Märklin Mega starter set 29640 including 2 MFX trains, a 60215 with a 191724 RF noise suppressor and a loop with 3 turn-outs As you can see, this is a dual filter (Ferrite cores) designed for CS2, two-channel, capable of 2 x 5A It was designed to comply with the US market and appered around 2012. It is now irrelevant both for CS2s and CS3s Cheers Jean
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