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Offline Rwill  
#51 Posted : 11 September 2016 17:07:05(UTC)
Rwill

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This forum brings out the worst in me for which I apologise.

On this topics "sub issue" it occurred to me that all of us who have Latin as a second language know that i.e. means "that is" from the Latin id est.

But who can tell us without resorting to google, dictionaries or clever offspring what the initials e.g. meaning for example actually means?
Offline NS1200  
#52 Posted : 11 September 2016 17:36:03(UTC)
NS1200

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Reading all this reminds me of one of the greatest principles in bussiness: KISS!

AKA: Keep It Simple Stupid!

Oh dear,how simple was life in the sixties: Marklin M track and a blue transformer,what could go possibly wrong?
Nope,the world was going digital,the result being that people had to buy specialised books to understand it all,for me the big paradox of technical progress.

Recently bought a flatscreen TV set?
Have you seen the manual which comes with it?
Was that clear to you instantly?
Did you have to adjust settings to cater for local circumstances?
Do i need to say more?

You may call me stone age,if you wish..........
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline baggio  
#53 Posted : 11 September 2016 20:10:09(UTC)
baggio

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Originally Posted by: Rwill Go to Quoted Post
This forum brings out the worst in me for which I apologise.


Why? Confused

"Don't sweat the small stuff ... and it's all small stuff" Richard Carlson, Ph.D. says in a great book.

Find it - and read it - it's worth the effort and the time. BigGrin

My usual two cents' worth.
Offline baggio  
#54 Posted : 11 September 2016 20:11:42(UTC)
baggio

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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Oh dear,how simple was life in the sixties: Marklin M track and a blue transformer,


YES, YES, YES!!!! ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp
Offline RayF  
#55 Posted : 11 September 2016 22:36:27(UTC)
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Well I don't know about anyone else but I've moved on a bit from the 1960s. I do like my digital control and more accurate models...

Besides, I was never that keen on Black and White TV, rotary dial telephones, and propeller driven airliners...
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline baggio  
#56 Posted : 12 September 2016 02:21:31(UTC)
baggio

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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I was never that keen on Black and White TV,


Something tells me, Ray, that back then you were very keen on B & W TV, if nothing else because there was no colour TV for a good number of years.

Am I wrong? Wink

Remember "Perry Mason"?

I did not get to buy a colour TV until 1979... and it was a used 9" TV I believe. I was living in Freeport, Bahamas, at the time.

The size of the picture was small, but the quality was super. BigGrin ThumpUp

Enough with the trip down memory lane....
Offline RayF  
#57 Posted : 12 September 2016 08:46:22(UTC)
RayF

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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I was never that keen on Black and White TV,


Something tells me, Ray, that back then you were very keen on B & W TV, if nothing else because there was no colour TV for a good number of years.

Am I wrong? Wink

Remember "Perry Mason"?

I did not get to buy a colour TV until 1979... and it was a used 9" TV I believe. I was living in Freeport, Bahamas, at the time.

The size of the picture was small, but the quality was super. BigGrin ThumpUp

Enough with the trip down memory lane....


I wouldn't go back to it though! I prefer to move forward and not live in the past. And no, I don't watch old black and white movies. I find them painful to sit through...

Now I do have to apologise to the owner of this topic. We've gone so far off topic that I can't even remember what it was about!

Maybe we should start a new thread where we can discuss the advantages or otherwise of technological progress?
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline locogr  
#58 Posted : 12 September 2016 10:33:04(UTC)
locogr


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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I was never that keen on Black and White TV,


Something tells me, Ray, that back then you were very keen on B & W TV, if nothing else because there was no colour TV for a good number of years.

Am I wrong? Wink

Remember "Perry Mason"?

I did not get to buy a colour TV until 1979... and it was a used 9" TV I believe. I was living in Freeport, Bahamas, at the time.

The size of the picture was small, but the quality was super. BigGrin ThumpUp

Enough with the trip down memory lane....


I wouldn't go back to it though! I prefer to move forward and not live in the past. And no, I don't watch old black and white movies. I find them painful to sit through...

Now I do have to apologise to the owner of this topic. We've gone so far off topic that I can't even remember what it was about!

Maybe we should start a new thread where we can discuss the advantages or otherwise of technological progress?


It's OK, I really enjoy the conversation!

As for the initial subject of the thread, I m still waiting for my loco replacement. I ll post back as soon as I have any news, that is ASAP! (Google it! Haha!)

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Offline NS1200  
#59 Posted : 12 September 2016 13:04:45(UTC)
NS1200

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Ray,

For sure one cannot stop progress,i know.
My grandfather saw the first man on the moon in 1969 and said it was one big Hollywood coverup,he simply could not believe it.

As for Marklin,the blue transformers and all the rest came in full color,unpack a set after 20 years and it simply runs and runs.

Black and white does not have to be bad:watch the movie "The third man" in black and white,one of the best British movies ever made they say,the black and white giving full credit to Vienna just after WW2.



Finally,on electronics,our Siemens dishwasher less than 3 years old broke down because of a faulty PCB (Printer Circuit Board),repaired under guarantee,but still........

Cheers,
Paul
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline RayF  
#60 Posted : 12 September 2016 16:26:55(UTC)
RayF

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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Ray,

For sure one cannot stop progress,i know.
My grandfather saw the first man on the moon in 1969 and said it was one big Hollywood coverup,he simply could not believe it.

As for Marklin,the blue transformers and all the rest came in full color,unpack a set after 20 years and it simply runs and runs.

Black and white does not have to be bad:watch the movie "The third man" in black and white,one of the best British movies ever made they say,the black and white giving full credit to Vienna just after WW2.



Finally,on electronics,our Siemens dishwasher less than 3 years old broke down because of a faulty PCB (Printer Circuit Board),repaired under guarantee,but still........

Cheers,
Paul


Actually Paul I don't have strong objections to B&W films, and I know that many classic films were very good. Coming more up to date, one of the best recent (ish) films is Schindler's List, which is shot mainly in B&W too.

I do however get tired of the old arguments that everything was better in the past. We all forget the difficult, tedious, boring tasks that were part of everyday life, from sweeping a carpet to washing dishes to cars that broke down regularly if you could afford one at all.

We all look at the past with rose tinted glasses and forget all the negative memories. I won't go on giving examples but if we are honest with ourselves we can all think of plenty.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline Goofy  
#61 Posted : 12 September 2016 20:20:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Oh dear,how simple was life in the sixties: Marklin M track and a blue transformer,


YES, YES, YES!!!! ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp


I suppose you also welcome back to analog phone,fat TV screen without remote control etc...

BigGrin

H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline NS1200  
#62 Posted : 13 September 2016 12:12:22(UTC)
NS1200

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Ray,

(quote)

to cars that broke down regularly if you could afford one at all.

(unquote)

Cars still break down,the only difference being that nowadays people have the money to let the garage fix it,and pay bills covering hundreds of Euro's.

Check the user reviews for all the well known carmakers and you will be amazed about the number of complaints.

Just bought a 2003 KIA Carens with very limited electronics,if it ain't there it cannot break down is the motto.
The car radio however is a fancy JVC with a horrible front layout,as is common for Japanese car radio's.
Again,same story,i do not need 80 options,i need a radio with say 5 fixed FM stations which produces music when I need it.
For Japanese designers this seems to be too much asked for.

Anyway,i seem to be a screeming man in the dessert,so to speak........
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline RayF  
#63 Posted : 13 September 2016 13:06:57(UTC)
RayF

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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Ray,

(quote)

to cars that broke down regularly if you could afford one at all.

(unquote)

Cars still break down,the only difference being that nowadays people have the money to let the garage fix it,and pay bills covering hundreds of Euro's.

Check the user reviews for all the well known carmakers and you will be amazed about the number of complaints.

Just bought a 2003 KIA Carens with very limited electronics,if it ain't there it cannot break down is the motto.
The car radio however is a fancy JVC with a horrible front layout,as is common for Japanese car radio's.
Again,same story,i do not need 80 options,i need a radio with say 5 fixed FM stations which produces music when I need it.
For Japanese designers this seems to be too much asked for.

Anyway,i seem to be a screeming man in the dessert,so to speak........


OK.

My own experience is that newer cars are much more reliable and need less frequent servicing than previous versions. I think the quality control in an avarage family car today is way superior to the equivalent from 30 or 40 years ago. The materials used are also superior, as there is much less evidence today of rust on cars and components such as exhausts last much longer.

To take another example, today you buy a TV set and the chances are it will never see a repair. You will probably throw it out while it still works just because you want a newer model. When was the last time you had to call a TV repair man?

Technology today is cheaper and much more reliable than the equivalent of 40 years ago.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Moritz-BR365  
#64 Posted : 13 September 2016 13:08:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post

Just bought a 2003 KIA Carens with very limited electronics,if it ain't there it cannot break down is the motto.
The car radio however is a fancy JVC with a horrible front layout,as is common for Japanese car radio's.
Again,same story,i do not need 80 options,i need a radio with say 5 fixed FM stations which produces music when I need it.
For Japanese designers this seems to be too much asked for.

That's what I like on Volkswagen car design. It may be a bit old style. But it is functional. The radio and navigation systems are very easy to handle. A big knob for volume, hardware keys for the basic functions, really no design experiments but high usability. That's much more important to be able to concentrate on what's happening on the street.

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Offline NS1200  
#65 Posted : 13 September 2016 14:02:33(UTC)
NS1200

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Agreed!

I once had a Golf 3 and that simple car was the best I ever had sofar.
No Keep Your Lane or Automatic Parking rubbish or anything like it.

Seen dashboards in modern Ford cars lately?
So many tiny buttons that you are lacking time to pay attention to the traffic!

And you know what:you cannot order them without all the fancy add-ons!

SAAB,just before they went down the drain,were on the right track with their very limited dashboard functions,only showing speed and RPM,and alarms of course.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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