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marklinologos		#1 Posted : 01 July 2016 18:54:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 145 Location: ATHENS,		Hi to all Marklin fans, Does anyone knows the spare part number of RES 800 SBB green electric locomotive reverse unit? Thanking in advance, John
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Markus Schild		#2 Posted : 01 July 2016 21:17:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi John, The RES had a switch with four steps: Forward - Stop with lights on - Backwards - Stop with lights on. The number of the reversing unit was "TT 800 - 5 Gp". As far as I know a five-digit spare-part-number was never issued for that reverse-unit. That switch was used in a number of locos, also in the TM 800. To cannibalize one from a TM - wreck could be a way to get one. Regards Markus
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mike c		#3 Posted : 02 July 2016 04:44:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,892 Location: Montreal, QC		I have the parts list for the later RET800/3014. I don't know if the RES 800 was the same. Is yours the model with all wheel drive (B-B) or one of the version with two central powered axles (1-B-1)? I think the RES 800 may have been the model with lights on one side only, but I don't know how the motor was arranged. Regards Mike C


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Markus Schild		#4 Posted : 02 July 2016 08:11:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi Mike, The early RET800 had the four step-reverse-unit like the RES. Locos from 1958 use the 20824, which is used on nearly all locomotives in these days. The 20824 just switches forward-backward. Regards Markus
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cookee_nz		#5 Posted : 02 July 2016 08:18:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,953 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: marklinologos Hi to all Marklin fans, Does anyone knows the spare part number of RES 800 SBB green electric locomotive reverse unit? Thanking in advance, John Hi John, Markus has already responded with the requested part number, I thought the data sheets might also be of interest. https://www.marklin-users.net/cookee_nz/gbmc/partsinfo/info-pre57.htm Here are the same pages from March 1954 in higher resolution (save them to your local hard drive, they will open much larger than viewed on the forum) If you particularly want the features of the original reverse unit, Ritter may be able to help... https://www.ritter-restaurationen.de What is wrong with the one you have?, it's possible members here may have the individual parts required to repair yours, bear in mind that they are FIDDLY as heck. Adjusted correctly they work well but such fine wires and old parts can make repair and adjustment quite a challenge. You need the fingers of a 5-year old!! (and the eyesight). Hope this helps. Regards Cookee
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mike c		#6 Posted : 03 July 2016 21:57:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,892 Location: Montreal, QC		Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Hi Mike, The early RET800 had the four step-reverse-unit like the RES. Locos from 1958 use the 20824, which is used on nearly all locomotives in these days. The 20824 just switches forward-backward. Regards Markus I always thought it was a three position switch, forward, neutral and reverse. I thought that it switched to the same position between directions. Regards Mike C


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Markus Schild		#7 Posted : 03 July 2016 22:38:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi Mike, That depends on the point of view. Technically it has eight steps. On every switch-pulse the slider (11) rotates the drum (8) for 45° and one step. Regards Markus
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Janne75		#8 Posted : 06 July 2016 09:59:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,550 Location: Finland		Hi Markus, all, Thank you for the information. I have never thought it rotates only 45 degrees and eight times that is a full 360 degrees. I can see in the listing of models many locos, but what about the older DA 800 (3005.1 DB 23 014) and CM 800's (3000.1 DB 89 005 and 3000.2 DB 89 028) models? Also these models have the four position reversing units, but are not listed. Regards, Janne
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Markus Schild		#9 Posted : 06 July 2016 10:20:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi Janne, These locos also have a four-step reversing unit, but another type, which is a little bit smaller (and cheaper) than the other (older) type. While for the older type 14 spare-parts are listed, for the newer type only seven parts are listed. Complete page from 1954: https://dl.dropbox.com/s...allg-et-1954a-o-0454.pdf Regards Markus
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marklinologos		#10 Posted : 14 July 2016 19:05:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 145 Location: ATHENS,		Hi to all, Thanks for your time and info about the spare part. I will try to find one so I can fix the swiss locomotive. If you have any info about shop to buy this reverse, please contact Best regards, John
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mike c		#11 Posted : 14 July 2016 19:43:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,892 Location: Montreal, QC		Hello John, here are a few places that you can try: http://www.buco-hag-maerklin-ersatzteile.ch http://maerklin.ch/de/service/repservice.html http://apc-miniaturmodell.de/index.php/ersatzteile https://www.ritter-restaurationen.de You may be able to source one from somebody who has converted their model to digital. You could post a search notice on this forum as well as on forums like the Swiss Hag Forum or Stummi's Forum http://www.ebay.de/itm/M...T-800-5-GP-/331907904451 There were other items (e.g. partial or complete locomotive frames) that contained either complete or partial reverse units which could be used to repair/replace a damaged one. You can also use one of the 208204 (i believe) type units but you would lose the intermediate neutral position. Regards Mike C


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Markus Schild		#12 Posted : 15 July 2016 10:05:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Originally Posted by: mike c You can also use one of the 208204 (i believe) type units but you would lose the intermediate neutral position. Regards Mike C Hi Mike, There is a typing error: The correct number for the modern switch is 208240. Converting it to modern type has the advantage, that the loco does not jump any more while switching. As written above, I would cannibalize a very used TM 800, which would be cheaper than that part from RITTER: http://www.ritter-restau...tKey=-1;artID=6328;typ=1 Regards Markus
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Janne75		#13 Posted : 15 July 2016 13:55:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,550 Location: Finland		Hi John, That eBay auction link Mike linked here is from a very good recommended seller. I bought from him some time ago a metal rivet tender for F 800 or HR 800 N. Everything went ok and the shipping cost was cheap. I won yesterday another auction from this seller (RM 800). In this auction was written it has (unfortunately IMO) a newer type reversing unit. That older four position reversing unit can well be from this RM 800. I will probably use one of my older TM 800 technic with this RM 800 as both models have same frame and wheels. Also RSM 800 electric loco uses the same technic. Different siderods only. Best regards, Janne
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