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Offline mike c  
#1 Posted : 25 February 2016 18:46:31(UTC)
mike c

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Can somebody please explain the difference between Maerklin 37464 and the earlier 37460, 29859,1, 29519, 39602, 34/3760? I know that the 37462 was a more recent appearance, without the '2000' on the cab face.

It would seem to me that 34/3760 (Various), which came out in the 1990s, the 39602 (Lavaux) which was around 2000, the 29859.1 (Napf) and the 37460 (Gotthard) all roughly represent the same time period. I know that the 34/3760 still had bulbs, the 29859.1, 39602 and 29519 all had yellow LEDS and the 37460/37462/37464 all have white LEDs.

I would rather have seen an additional locomotive in the current state than yet another one in the original livery, but part of me understands that this decision was probably taken to have a locomotive to offer alongside the 42150 and 42160 Sets announced this year, as the older models are sold out at many dealers.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Unholz  
#2 Posted : 25 February 2016 19:03:18(UTC)
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On this dealer's website, the livery of the model is described as "feuerrot":
http://www.roundhouse.ch...-und-Neuheiten.htm#37464
Thus I suppose that the shade of red might be marginally different. But is this actually noticeable? Confused
Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 25 February 2016 19:10:39(UTC)
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It seems the first generation of mfx+ locos are "plain vanilla" liveries. Here the white/red LEDs make the 37464 attractive over previous versions with light bulbs or yellow LEDs.
The 37462 is still in stock. Märklin recommend it for 42152 and 42160.

A loco with Faiveley pantograph would be a nice change IMHO.
Regards
Tom
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Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 26 February 2016 00:36:33(UTC)
mike c

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I already ordered a set of Faiveley pantographs from the TGV Lyria. I hope that I can install them on one of my Re 460s. Somehow, the Roco 'Faiveley' pantographs look wrong.
I thought that the 37462 would be the best candidate for this upgrade.

As far as Stefan's comment. I knew that some of the early Re 4/4II and Re 6/6s had a slightly different paint colour, but I thought that the Re 460 (delivered starting 1993) were all in the same shade of red.

I guess that this is the first Re 460 with mfx+, but that should not have stopped Maerklin from releasing one in the current livery, perhaps with new pantos as Tom suggested, that would go with either the EC (43672) type coaches or the 42152/42160/42174/42179 coaches. Other features that would have been nice would have been digital selection of single white taillight or single red/double red as per various SBB norms over the life of these loks.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Bart  
#5 Posted : 26 February 2016 15:34:38(UTC)
Bart

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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post

It would seem to me that 34/3760 (Various), which came out in the 1990s, the 39602 (Lavaux) which was around 2000, the 29859.1 (Napf) and the 37460 (Gotthard) all roughly represent the same time period. I know that the 34/3760 still had bulbs, the 29859.1, 39602 and 29519 all had yellow LEDS and the 37460/37462/37464 all have white LEDs.

37460 (released 2007) has been the last one with yellow LEDs. From 37461 (BLS) (2011) onwards, all have warm white and red LEDs

Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
On this dealer's website, the livery of the model is described as "feuerrot":
http://www.roundhouse.ch...-und-Neuheiten.htm#37464
Thus I suppose that the shade of red might be marginally different. But is this actually noticeable?

I assume that "feuerrot" is just the copywriter's interpretation.
AFAIK, all red Re 460 have been "Verkerhrsrot" RAL 3020, approximately 115 locos in total.
Acually, the prototype 460-101 Bözberg has been converted to "Magic ticket" advertizing livery.

Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Other features that would have been nice would have been digital selection of single white taillight or single red/double red as per various SBB norms over the life of these loks.

From approx. 1999 to 2010, 60902- and mfx-equiped Re 460/465 had yellow leds, including long distance headlights, and a single white (yellow) tail light that can be switched to single red.
From 2011 (37461 thru 37471), they have warm white leds with single white tail lights that can be switched to double red, and either cab can be switched off for push-pull or consist operations.
I haven't checked the revision dates to see if the tail light norms match the era.
*Bart
Offline Bart  
#6 Posted : 26 February 2016 17:24:43(UTC)
Bart

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This is the list of my Re 460/465 collection
FYI, I have added the ones from 2014 onward that I don't have

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Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 03 November 2016 06:38:23(UTC)
mike c

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I received my E140787 pantographs and they cannot easily be installed on a Maerklin Re 460 (sorry 37462), but they can be installed on a Hag Re 460 with ease. At this moment, I am trying to decide which one of my Hag Re 460s will receive the first set. The wiper blade is not 100% identical to the one used on the Re 460, but for use with model catenary, this is probably better than a modified or smaller blade would offer.

What is very nice to see is that the base of the pantograph is identical to that of the Sommerfeldt pantos used on the Hag and Maerklin Re 460s. The arms are a little longer than the SA200 type used by Maerklin and Hag, which is why it does not fit without small modification in the cutout of the Maerklin model's roof. I am also pleased to see that the shape of the Y of the upper arm is prototypical, not like the more cup shaped version offered by Roco.

140787 Hag 460.3.jpg
140787 Hag 460.2.jpg

The other option was to use the E140788 which has a different wiper blade. I might test these on another locomotive to see whether it improves electrical connectivity: http://web-hgh-moba.de/i...7790_tgv34_panto_700.jpg

I wonder whether Roco pantograph blades can be installed on the Maerklin pantographs?
Here is a photo of the Roco model with the cup shaped arm and the more correct blade:
http://eyro.ch/onlineshop/images/roco85559.jpg
The base of the Roco model would require more modification to a Maerklin or Hag locomotive to install.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline river6109  
#8 Posted : 03 November 2016 10:28:36(UTC)
river6109

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Mike,

what you will find is the assembly around the screw is different. Roco locos have a smaller diameter screw and therefore a smaller hole in the housing and I'm not that keen on Roco Pantographs, Märklin's pantographs are more sturdy and less likely to break.

John
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