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Offline steventrain  
#2151 Posted : 09 October 2009 23:10:48(UTC)
steventrain

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39235 and 37843 now on my site.wink

http://steventrain.fotopic.net/c1766110.html
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Ian555  
#2152 Posted : 10 October 2009 09:05:30(UTC)
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Hi Steven
Good looking Loco's.Really like the class 50.
Ian
Offline kimballthurlow  
#2153 Posted : 10 October 2009 10:09:18(UTC)
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Hi Brian,
Interesting mix of old and new Märklin there.
From 1970 to now.
regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
Offline mvd71  
#2154 Posted : 10 October 2009 11:48:14(UTC)
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BR41 37921, the latest special from Marklin, can't wait for it to arrive

Cheers....

Mike.Smile
Offline steventrain  
#2155 Posted : 10 October 2009 22:09:43(UTC)
steventrain

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ian555
<br />Hi Steven
Good looking Loco's. Really like the class 50.
Ian


Thanks, Ian.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Davy  
#2156 Posted : 12 October 2009 00:14:05(UTC)
Davy


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Yep nice steamers.

M-track with a CS2.
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#2157 Posted : 12 October 2009 00:16:37(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

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Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,
Yesterday, I've finally found the blue Baden IV H (39021) offered for a reasonable price, I couldn't resist...
Just a couple of hours earlier, I added a Bavarian B VI Tölz turf steamer (37971) to my collection. I was lucky enough to be able to buy this second loco from a Stummi-forums member who parted from his Bavarian stuff. Paid a fair price for it as it looks like new. All in all, yesterday's additions raised the loco count to 32 era I models.
As mentioned in another topic; hobby season has kicked in again. Smile
Sander
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Era I(b): K.Bay.Sts.B. and K.W.St.E.
Offline Ian555  
#2158 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:39:11(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Pictures of my latest buy..Rheingold 26750.
The set is brand new,never been run and the couplers are not fitted
to the coaches yet.
Ian
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Offline foumaro  
#2159 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:45:12(UTC)
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Great classic set Ian.biggrin[:p]Cool
Offline RayF  
#2160 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:57:29(UTC)
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Lovely set, Ian.

Those coaches are beautiful!
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2161 Posted : 16 October 2009 13:05:18(UTC)
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Very nice Ian. Did you re mortgage the house....?? winkwink
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2162 Posted : 16 October 2009 13:12:10(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Very good Goofy. Do you have a picture?


Sorry pal...[:I]
I don�t have an digitalcamera. [B)]
Next time webmaster visit at my home,i shall tell to him to get with camera and taking pictures at mine locomotivs!
You can check at this instead:
http://www.roco.cc/index...&artikelnummer=62533


Smile



Thanks Goofy!
Offline Ian555  
#2163 Posted : 16 October 2009 13:29:04(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi David
That set is the single most expensive Marklin item I have ever bought.(so far)
Ian
Offline jonquinn  
#2164 Posted : 17 October 2009 04:00:24(UTC)
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just got my Le Captole set - very nice. I like the retro box art too.
Offline steventrain  
#2165 Posted : 17 October 2009 13:24:23(UTC)
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Congratulations, Ian.Smile

It is on my wish list.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline steventrain  
#2166 Posted : 17 October 2009 13:26:47(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonquinn
<br />just got my Le Captole set - very nice. I like the retro box art too.


Congratulations, Jonquinn!
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Ian555  
#2167 Posted : 17 October 2009 16:49:27(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Steven
Thanks, is it time for another QuizSmileSmile
Offline TomB  
#2168 Posted : 21 October 2009 14:50:14(UTC)
TomB


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Location: Asker, Norway
Hi!

I got 4 new locos and 1 couch in a package from Germany today

Mä 39230 .... Br 23 DB
Mä 37575 .... Br E 03 DB
Mä 39140 .... Br E 40 DB
Mä 39302 ... ML 3000 "Krauss-Maffei"
.

Today I found a hidden loco:

Mehano 55320 Am 843 (Vossloh G-1700) BLS (CH)


My fortune: 84
with mfx-decoder: 50
with full sound (soundgenerator): 29


Steamers: 20
Br 01 147 (39010)
Br 03 104 (37953)
Br 05 140 (39050)
Br. 18 313 (39021) IVh1002 + Br. 18 321 (39020)
Br 18.4 Bay. S3/6 (26750) + Br 18.4 (Ro 69360)
Br 23 (39230)
Br 38 1807 (29527)
Br 44 308 (37884)
Br 50 1035 (37848)
Br 53 0002 (3701)
Br 64 250 (39640)
Br 75 067 (37133)
Br 85 003 (37097) + Br 85 010 (29840)
Br 89 028 (3000)
Br 96 022 Gt 2 x 4/4 DRG (37962) + Gt 2x4/4 Mallet (37964) + DRG (37965)

Diesellocos: 24
V200 027 (3021) + V200 150 (39821)
Br 210 001 (39189)
Br 218 143 (39182) + Br 218 231 (39180) + Br 218 256 (39183)
Br 220 012 (39802)
Br 230 001 (39300)
ML 3000 "Krauss-Maffei" (39301) + ML 3000 "Krauss-Maffei" (39302)
V36 PMS 64-1 (37369)
V80 004 (36080)
V261 PMS 64-15 (37639)
Br 212 225 (3672) + Br 212 212 THW (29655)
Br 260 417 (3143) + Br 261 001 (37654)
Br 290 083 (37900)

Am 842 cargo SBB (37643) x 2
Am 843 (Vossloh G-1700) BLS (CH) .. (Mehano 55320)

MaK 1206 Strukton (NL) (37658)

Di 3 628 JBV / NSB (37662)
Di 3a 3.605 NSB (3143)

Ellocos: 38
Br E 10 345 (39120) + 2 x Br. E 10 1266 DB (39121)+ Br. E 10.12 DB (39123)
Br E 03 (37575)
Br E 40 DB (39140)
Br E 41 208 (39410)
Br E 50 045 (39500)
Br 101 104 (37398) + Br 261 001 (37654)
Br 103 137 (39579) + Br 103 201 (3957)
Br 112 310 (26540)
Br 119 012 (39191)
Br. 120 159 (37530) + Br 120 002 E120 (37538) + Br 120 123 (37539)
Br 141 061 (39411)
Br 146 102 (36835)
Br 150 084 (39501)
Br 151 017 (39581) + Br 151 059 (29645)
Br 152 002 (37350)
Br 160 001 (3157)
Br. 184 001 DB (37312)
Br 191 099 (3629)
Br 194 155 (3300b)
Br 701 033 (39970)

Re 4/4 SBB/CFF/FFS (Roco 1417)
Re 4/4 II SBB (37356)
Re 460 118 SBB/CFF/FFS (37460)
Ae 6/6 11403 SBB/CFF/FFS (37362a) + Ae 6/6 11520 (37362b)
Serie Ce 6/8 III SBB/CFF/FFS (39562) + Serie Ce 6/8 III (3300a)

Rh 1016 Taurus ÖBB (39355)

GS 80 SJ (3019)

Serie EL 10.2514 NSB (36336)

Railcars: 2
Br 798 (39980)
Br 410 001-2…ICE (3671)

Edited by user 20 February 2010 14:05:38(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Tom Blikstad
HO, german/swiss trains, Märklin K+C, ECoS I+II,
Viessmann, Kühn, MBTronik, WinDigipet 2012, WinTrack 11
Offline Ian555  
#2169 Posted : 21 October 2009 15:19:43(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Tom
You will have some fantastic Loco's on that tremendous layout you are
putting together.
Ian.
Offline TomB  
#2170 Posted : 21 October 2009 15:26:04(UTC)
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Ian, thank you !

I hope there will be more traffic on my layout this winter ... Smile Smile
No jam, I hope, in spite of the numbers of locos.

Edited by user 21 October 2009 19:40:42(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Tom Blikstad
HO, german/swiss trains, Märklin K+C, ECoS I+II,
Viessmann, Kühn, MBTronik, WinDigipet 2012, WinTrack 11
Offline intruder  
#2171 Posted : 21 October 2009 21:49:30(UTC)
intruder

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Fin liste, Tom!

(fine list, Tom!)
Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
Offline steventrain  
#2172 Posted : 21 October 2009 23:25:33(UTC)
steventrain

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Very good, Tom.Smile
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline obxbill  
#2173 Posted : 24 October 2009 02:10:09(UTC)
obxbill

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Very impressive collection, Tom!Smile

Bill
Marklin HO and Z also Hornby 00 and US 2-rail
Offline steventrain  
#2174 Posted : 26 October 2009 16:54:32(UTC)
steventrain

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Brought the Marklin 2963 starter set (date about 1969) with extra tracks from Dublin show. Pictures later.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline intruder  
#2175 Posted : 26 October 2009 18:35:42(UTC)
intruder

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Cute little set, Stephen.

AFAIK it was made from 1964 to 1971.
Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
Offline steventrain  
#2176 Posted : 26 October 2009 18:54:50(UTC)
steventrain

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Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline intruder  
#2177 Posted : 26 October 2009 19:19:56(UTC)
intruder

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Nice, Stephen.

Road number 89 028 was used untill 1969.
89 006 was introduced in 1968, so obviously there were some number overlap.
Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
Offline RayF  
#2178 Posted : 26 October 2009 21:06:20(UTC)
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Nice set, Steven. You can never have too many Br89's!biggrin
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline steventrain  
#2179 Posted : 26 October 2009 21:06:53(UTC)
steventrain

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It is 89006.

Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline foumaro  
#2180 Posted : 28 October 2009 05:47:43(UTC)
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Nice baby loco Stephen.biggrin
Offline steventrain  
#2181 Posted : 28 October 2009 22:35:02(UTC)
steventrain

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by foumaro
<br />Nice baby loco Stephen.biggrin


Thanks, Loco need a nappies.[}:)]
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Davy  
#2182 Posted : 29 October 2009 01:12:36(UTC)
Davy


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A br05 for a very good price.

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Loc is very heavy and drives beautiful.

So I have 94 locs now.
52 steamers
22 elocs
20 dieseltrains

Two steamers still in order a br 74 and the br 39.
M-track with a CS2.
Offline Ian555  
#2183 Posted : 29 October 2009 10:43:09(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Davy,
Great looking Loco,nice to see some M track.
Ian
Offline Ian555  
#2184 Posted : 29 October 2009 13:31:29(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Got this Loco with some M track I bought.
Ian
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Offline RayF  
#2185 Posted : 29 October 2009 14:43:05(UTC)
RayF

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Classic Marklin Br81. Heavy metal at it's best. Does it run well, Ian?
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline RayF  
#2186 Posted : 29 October 2009 14:44:43(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy
<br />A br05 for a very good price.

......




Very nice Davy. This is a very impressive loco. I'm glad you got it for a good price!
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Armando  
#2187 Posted : 29 October 2009 15:15:05(UTC)
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Note to Johan, the webmaster: could you please correct the title of this thread to read: "What locomotives did you buy?", which is, I believe, what the author meant?
Best regards,
Armando García

Offline steventrain  
#2188 Posted : 29 October 2009 19:23:25(UTC)
steventrain

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando
<br />Note to Johan, the webmaster: could you please correct the title of this thread to read: "What locomotives did you buy?", which is, I believe, what the author meant?


I have to fix it.wink
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Offline obxbill  
#2189 Posted : 31 October 2009 01:09:19(UTC)
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That lok is a real beauty, Davy! Bet it's impressive runnin' around the layout. Smile

Nice classic you got, Ian! I have a delta version of the Br81. I like the low gearing it has.

Bill
Marklin HO and Z also Hornby 00 and US 2-rail
Offline Ian555  
#2190 Posted : 31 October 2009 08:55:00(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Ray and Bill
Thanks, had a look inside and she has an early decoder,so could be
Delta,had it running with anologue transformer,no " click " when it reverses,goes well in one direction but jerky in the other also some
sparks of the driving wheels (dirty track/bad earth conn.)
Have Topic open in HO...under 3032.
Thanks again.
Ian
Offline Deborail  
#2191 Posted : 31 October 2009 09:09:06(UTC)
Deborail

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Zora la rousse
<br />Welcome to the 2-locomotives-owners-club wink.


can i join??? 1. E402 (FS) and 1. BR 232 (DB)...biggrin
George

Given enough time, tasks manage themselves.
Offline foumaro  
#2192 Posted : 31 October 2009 19:08:14(UTC)
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The number 30 for me the 39230.I am very huppy for my choice.Cool[:p]
Offline steventrain  
#2193 Posted : 06 November 2009 14:55:27(UTC)
steventrain

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by foumaro
<br />The number 30 for me the 39230.I am very huppy for my choice.Cool[:p]


I got mine as well.wink
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Offline James  
#2194 Posted : 09 November 2009 02:11:41(UTC)
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On this note...

Latest acquisition

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Made in Germany... and a work of Artbiggrin

Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 18:25:55(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Give me steam, and how you feel can make it real, real as anything you've seen. (Peter Gabriel)
Offline Davy  
#2195 Posted : 09 November 2009 02:47:24(UTC)
Davy


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Nice one.
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M-track with a CS2.
Offline Ian555  
#2196 Posted : 09 November 2009 07:46:19(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi James,
Great looking Loco from the front,how does she look side on?
Ian.
Offline James  
#2197 Posted : 09 November 2009 17:25:50(UTC)
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Ian:

As you wishbiggrin

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and...

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Cheers
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Give me steam, and how you feel can make it real, real as anything you've seen. (Peter Gabriel)
Offline Ian555  
#2198 Posted : 09 November 2009 17:40:55(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi James,
Now I can see what she looks like,very nice.Thanks for the extra photo's.
I also like the track she's sitting on SmileSmilebiggrin
Ian.
Offline steventrain  
#2199 Posted : 09 November 2009 18:11:16(UTC)
steventrain

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Very nice, I am a fan of BR01.[:p]
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline James  
#2200 Posted : 09 November 2009 19:38:33(UTC)
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Thanks...

One of these days I'll have to pick up a good camera.Smile

I like close up's but with my little digital, the aspects are very hard to capture without compromising the focus[V].

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