 Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,765 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Hi, I have no specific interest in older Marklin, although I respect the models for what they were. I came across this model on eBay France, item #301231432004, and I rather like it. It is quirky, and I can see it on my layout. It appears to be in quite remarkable condition. See second image below. Naturally, Google brought up the following Marklin-user topic on the same subject. https://www.marklin-user...M-800-year-guessing.aspxAnd here is another current eBay example #181436632151, but this has been a restoration project.  The prices will be quite expensive, but I would be interested in other opinions on these offerings. regards Kimball Image here is the eBay France article 301231432004. Edited by user 04 July 2014 00:56:11(UTC)
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 Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,554 Location: Finland
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Hi, It looks to be in very good condition except the left hand side coupler is broken. Is this one orginally without the traction tyres as it has also those older type 5 pantographs? I want to have one of these some day as it looks great on the layout. When these are moving those side rods are fun to watch. I assume this one is the oldest version RSM 800.1 from 1950-1953 having beige roof and these type 5 pantographs and without traction tyres. Next version RSM 800.2 from 1954-1955 has traction tyres and silver roof. Here is the source of my information in German. Koll's may have different information: lokshow.de RSM 800 infoKind regards, Janne |
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The one in the photo is the 1st version because of the type of side rod -later type is simplified- and the pantograph have the copper slider. It is very likely it has been restored as the green doesn't look right at all -too light- but mainly the rods painted red in the canter is likely not to be right as I have seen lots of them and this is the first time I see the red on the rod. Pantograph replacements are available but I am not able to tell whether they are repros or not. As pointed out by Janne the hook is broken, not big deal for me. It shouldn't be terribly expensive for an old loco and it is beautiful in my opinion, I imagine is loosely based on a Swiss engine and you'll probably pay a minimum of 200+ to 400. More for a perfect boxed example.
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Hi Kimball I recently acquired a similar loco. Mine is not in as good a condition but I think it still has its original paint as you can see some signs of wear and damage. I think that mine is from 1954 as it has traction tyres as well as the "Doppel-Bogenschleifer". My assumptions are based on my Koll's catalogue of 2013.  You can see that the side rods on my loco are not painted red and the shade of green is different to the one in your picture. Regards Mike |
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Originally Posted by: Iamnotthecrazyone  The one in the photo is the 1st version because of the type of side rod -later type is simplified- and the pantograph have the copper slider. It is very likely it has been restored as the green doesn't look right at all -too light- but mainly the rods painted red in the canter is likely not to be right as I have seen lots of them and this is the first time I see the red on the rod. Pantograph replacements are available but I am not able to tell whether they are repros or not. As pointed out by Janne the hook is broken, not big deal for me. It shouldn't be terribly expensive for an old loco and it is beautiful in my opinion, I imagine is loosely based on a Swiss engine and you'll probably pay a minimum of 200+ to 400. More for a perfect boxed example. Agreed. The green color may just be the image lighting, but it looks a bit too "perfect" to me... |
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Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,765 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Hi
Thank you all so much for your valuable opinions, and insights into this rather lovely old model.
I will keep studying them as I see them offered for sale.
regards
Kimball |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,878 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Kimball,
if you decide to keep it and later on selling it I would suggest to get an original model which hasn't been renovated, some parts may be alright being replaced by copies but the main parts are, the motor, the housing, the couplings, pantographs, the side rods to a certain extend, the colour should be original and even if chipped should not be attempted to be patched up.
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Hi Kimball, some pics and info of my model here: http://www.marklinfan.net/rsm_800.htmThe RSM 800 is a simplification of the swiss Ae 3/6, shorted and without some wheels Here my photoshopped model   |
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Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,765 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Hi Alberto, Thankyou very much for the information. Did you digitize this loco? You did a great job on the realistic photo of the original. regards Kimball |
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Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Did you digitize this loco?
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Originally Posted by: marklinsncf
Also, before I forget, I also have an RSM800 and it confuses me. I opened it, everything looks intact inside, does not look like anyone touched anything BUT, it only runs on DC current, not AC.... any idea what modification would have been done to it? How to make it again AC? Does anyone think Marklin produced some DC / 3 rail locomotives? I know it's a different subject, not sure if I should have oened a new topic. Thanks!
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 Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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Hi folks,
Since I saw an RSM800 for the first time a few years ago I've loved the look of these quirky little electrics. They look a bit like the E32, but more compact without the pony trucks.
This is probably sacrilage to collectors, but it is my intention at some point to buy one of these which may be in poor paintwork condition, give it a good strip-down and repaint, maybe change the pantographs to more realistic modern versions and replace the couplers with newer relex ones. I could then use it as a shunter or branch line loco. |
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Well, guys,
anyone can do anthing to his property as he likes, but I should recommend to you to keep the changes to a minimum and if possible put them in place in a way that they can easily be undone in case you change your mind.
You can well digitize the locos - with a Märklin C80 or an Uhlenbrock decoder for Allstrommotor, i.e. without changing the build of the motor itself - but keep the mechanical solenoid switch stored, in order to eventually replace the decoder again.
If your locos have a really buggered up housing ... it is a good thing to revive it with a completely new coat of colour, but if there are only some minor chips'n'chunks, i would not even try to patch them up. Just leave them and let the loco keep its collectors' value.
You can replace the functional parts like current pickup, pantographs, couplers since IMHO a loco is bound to run on a layout, but look out to get replacemant parts as close to the original as possible, which is more fun than just to use a new one of modern design, although it sometimes may seem a tad more expensive, but remember that you have an old treasure to keep alive and not just some crappy old piece of metal to run down to scrap.
Just my toppence.
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Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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Originally Posted by: MS 800 Well, guys,
anyone can do anthing to his property as he likes, but I should recommend to you to keep the changes to a minimum and if possible put them in place in a way that they can easily be undone in case you change your mind.
You can well digitize the locos - with a Märklin C80 or an Uhlenbrock decoder for Allstrommotor, i.e. without changing the build of the motor itself - but keep the mechanical solenoid switch stored, in order to eventually replace the decoder again.
If your locos have a really buggered up housing ... it is a good thing to revive it with a completely new coat of colour, but if there are only some minor chips'n'chunks, i would not even try to patch them up. Just leave them and let the loco keep its collectors' value.
You can replace the functional parts like current pickup, pantographs, couplers since IMHO a loco is bound to run on a layout, but look out to get replacemant parts as close to the original as possible, which is more fun than just to use a new one of modern design, although it sometimes may seem a tad more expensive, but remember that you have an old treasure to keep alive and not just some crappy old piece of metal to run down to scrap.
Just my toppence.
Best
MS 800 Thanks for your comments. I am not a collector in the strict sense, in that I'm not in the least interested in the re-sale value of my locomotives. I am, however, very much interested in how they look and run on my layout. While I would not touch a "pristine" classic loco, I would, if so inclined. improve the looks of a very tatty example by touching up the paintwork or a complete re-paint. I would also change old clumsy looking details like pantographs to more accurate versions available today. Finally, I may upgrade the mechanism with modern motor and decoder, but I might just run it in analogue without the conversion. I'm not interested at all in owning trains for display. I run all my Marklin trains on my layout, rotating through them to give them all equal running time. I do not buy trains that look too "primitive" compared to newer models, so for example the CCS800 crocodile is not a part of my collections, as it is grossly overscale and the detailing is crude by comparison to the recent models. I do have in my collection models like the 3003 Br24 and the 3005 Br23, as they "blend in" to a certain extent. The older electrics in the 800 series have very crude pantographs which I find offensive to the eye, so I have few of them. I have a CE800/3001, but I have chosen a recent version and changed the pantograph to the newer black type. I also have an E44 of the 3011 series, but it is the Primex example from the 2701 set, also fitted with improved pantographs. I know that what I have written may be anathema to some on this forum, and I apologise if I have intruded into a topic where I've gone somewhat off the point, but I thought I should expalin my previous post in more detail. Thanks for reading this. |
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 Joined: 01/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 115 Location: Wales
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My approach:
I will cheerfully buy a "shed" of a loco. It'll get cleaned first, then paint stripped (that stage is skipped if it's in good condition under the dirt), resprayed, have the chassis cleaned, and will then be reassembled with a Lokpilot and magnet. I keep the original lightbulbs, as LEDs just don't look right.
From the outside you can't tell that it's now digital, and it can share the track with my newer locos. |
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